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[dreman9999]

klarabella wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
So Traynor finds the blueprints on Mars? is gathering resources (both physical and information) for the crucible? helps asari refugees on Thessia? puts the time capsule together?

Sound logic.

Liara does stuff that can be considered helpful.
Liara is the Shadow Broker.
Whatever Liara does is what Shadow Brokers do.
Whatever Liara does as a Shadow Broker makes her a good Shadow Broker.

Not she only been doing it for 6 months and is still learning. Comparing someone new tothe jobto someone that wasdoing for decades issuch a fare comparision.?saracum.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

The fact that her goal as a sb is to stop the reapers one way or another.

Aiding asari refugees isn't going to stop the Reapers. No even remotely.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The fact that her goal as a sb is to stop the reapers one way or another.

Aiding asari refugees isn't going to stop the Reapers. No even remotely.

So those refugees becoming soldiers later is not going to help and leaving them to become husk is not going to make the reapers forces stronger?

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

Not she only been doing it for 6 months and is still learning. Comparing someone new tothe jobto someone that wasdoing for decades issuch a fare comparision.?saracum.

"I'm a vey good information broker."

What indicates that Traynor has been doing her job for decades? Just how old do you think Traynor even is?

Also, I'm going to have to place you under arrest for murder of the first degree. The victim: The English language.

Modifié par o Ventus, 17 décembre 2012 - 03:22 .

[Steelcan]

klarabella wrote...

Funny how Traynor manages to do more with less. And she's on the same ship.

Is this really the official story? Liara's ship got destroyed and then she ran to Shepard because she didn't know what else to do?

. No because she is incapable of functioning with constant approval from Shepard.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The fact that her goal as a sb is to stop the reapers one way or another.

Aiding asari refugees isn't going to stop the Reapers. No even remotely.

So those refugees becoming soldiers later is not going to help and leaving them to become husk is not going to make the reapers forces stronger?

If you're actually stupid enough to assume that more than a fraction of those civilians have any sort of firearms or combat training, sure.

but like I said, "if you're stupid enough".

[Steelcan]

What do you mean help Asari refugees? She never said that. The last thing she said before Earth was her crying into the bed, proving to me how utterly useless she really is.

[David7204]

You win this kind of war by surviving it.

Look, I wasn't blown away by Liara's role as the Shadow Broker either. But you can't say that Liara got a less-than-awesome role because she's a dumb character and then say Miranda got a less-than-awesome role because she got shafted by the writers.

Modifié par David7204, 17 décembre 2012 - 03:26 .

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Not she only been doing it for 6 months and is still learning. Comparing someone new tothe jobto someone that wasdoing for decades issuch a fare comparision.?saracum.

"I'm a vey good information broker."

What indicates that Traynor has been doing her job for decades? Just how old do you think Traynor even is?

Also, I'm going to have to place you under arrest for murder of the first degree. The victim: The English language.

Traynor is not dealing with the amount of info a sb gets.  You have to note with as SB the issue to filing through the info they get. Traynor just focus es on communication only, She has a much smaller plate then what Liara has.

Comparing Liara to Traynor is like comparing an assulte rifle to a sniper rifle.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 décembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

What do you mean help Asari refugees? She never said that. The last thing she said before Earth was her crying into the bed, proving to me how utterly useless she really is.

Wow, you hate Liara.

[XTR3M3]

I still will always believe that Miranda would have been the best choice based off of her being part of a shadow-y network already. It also could have been tied easily into the ME3 storyline of how she kept tabs on her sister and to know when she vanished and how she was able to track her down.

Liara just didn't fit. Miranda would have been a better choice. It would have made more sense.

[Steelcan]

dreman9999 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

What do you mean help Asari refugees? She never said that. The last thing she said before Earth was her crying into the bed, proving to me how utterly useless she really is.

Wow, you hate Liara.

. This was after I shut her down in the argument with Javik!

[Barquiel]

klarabella wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
So Traynor finds the blueprints on Mars? is gathering resources (both physical and information) for the crucible? helps asari refugees on Thessia? puts the time capsule together?

Sound logic.

Liara does stuff that can be considered helpful.
Liara is the Shadow Broker.
Whatever Liara does is what Shadow Brokers do.
Whatever Liara does as a Shadow Broker makes her a good Shadow Broker.

She is spending all her time coordinating ressources for the Crucible (helping asari refugees, creating the time capsule) and the game tells you she does a good job here. The fact that most of the work she does as the Shadow Broker happens off-screen doesn't make her a bad information broker.

Modifié par Barquiel, 17 décembre 2012 - 03:31 .

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

Traynor is not dealing with the amount of info a sb gets.  You have to note with as SB the issue to filing through the info they get. Traynor just focus es on communication only, She has a much smaller plate then what Liara has.

Comparing Liara to Traynor is like comparing an assulte rifle to a sniper rifle.

I guess Glyph and Feron just don't exist anymore. 

[Steelcan]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
"I'm a vey good information broker."

What indicates that Traynor has been doing her job for decades? Just how old do you think Traynor even is?

Also, I'm going to have to place you under arrest for murder of the first degree. The victim: The English language.

Traynor is not dealing with the amount of info a sb gets.  You have to note with as SB the issue to filing through the info they get. Traynor just focus es on communication only, She has a much smaller plate then what Liara has.

Comparing Liara to Traynor is like comparing an assulte rifle to a sniper rifle.

. And yet Liara knows nothing about, Grissom Accemny being attacked, but I'll give her that one, it had just happened so she might not have gotten to hear about it.  Cerberus Coup, again I'll let it slide.  Now the really unforgivable ones, Turian bomb on Tuchunka, Salarians holding the females, not even knowing that the quarians attacked the geth, not knowing Sanctuary was Auswitch 2.0, not knowing about the beacon.  She really is a terrible broker

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Traynor is not dealing with the amount of info a sb gets.  You have to note with as SB the issue to filing through the info they get. Traynor just focus es on communication only, She has a much smaller plate then what Liara has.

Comparing Liara to Traynor is like comparing an assulte rifle to a sniper rifle.

I guess Glyph and Feron just don't exist anymore. 

And even with them, filing is still an issue as liara said in Lothsb.

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
"I'm a vey good information broker."

What indicates that Traynor has been doing her job for decades? Just how old do you think Traynor even is?

Also, I'm going to have to place you under arrest for murder of the first degree. The victim: The English language.

Traynor is not dealing with the amount of info a sb gets.  You have to note with as SB the issue to filing through the info they get. Traynor just focus es on communication only, She has a much smaller plate then what Liara has.

Comparing Liara to Traynor is like comparing an assulte rifle to a sniper rifle.

. And yet Liara knows nothing about, Grissom Accemny being attacked, but I'll give her that one, it had just happened so she might not have gotten to hear about it.  Cerberus Coup, again I'll let it slide.  Now the really unforgivable ones, Turian bomb on Tuchunka, Salarians holding the females, not even knowing that the quarians attacked the geth, not knowing Sanctuary was Auswitch 2.0, not knowing about the beacon.  She really is a terrible broker

1. How would she know? It just happens. BEing a sbdoesnto mean being onipotant. Traynor found out about it by chance by hear a distress call and cross referancing it with EDI.
2. As for the coup, you do understand that at that time She was helping Shepard with Tuchuncka at the time. The issue withthe females also is based on her focus on the reapers. And The tuchunka bomb as issue of being a new sb and not going throught the massive info the sb had in time before destroying the sb's ship.
And how would she or anyone no about sactuary....There were no leaks of info on the place.
The beacon is also about her just becoming a sb and not going throught the massive info the sb had in time before destroying the sb's ship.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 décembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[Ms Velvet]

The original broker was in power for decades. Liara has only been at for 6 months. It would take her at least a couple of yrs to establish a secure foothold over the massive info network. Not to mention she was immediately attacked by cerberus n lost the ship n from there she was on mars trying to find anything she could to help fight the reapers while shep was on lock down. Also can some1 explain how she could of tracked kai lengs shuttle while she was on thessia? It makes sense that traynor or even edi would have been able 2 do that.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

And even with them, filing is still an issue as liara said in Lothsb.

So Glyph, the VI created explicitly to help the Broker in his Broker duties, can't help the Broker?

[dreman9999]

Ms Velvet wrote...

The original broker was in power for decades. Liara has only been at for 6 months. It would take her at least a couple of yrs to establish a secure foothold over the massive info network. Not to mention she was immediately attacked by cerberus n lost the ship n from there she was on mars trying to find anything she could to help fight the reapers while shep was on lock down. Also can some1 explain how she could of tracked kai lengs shuttle while she was on thessia? It makes sense that traynor or even edi would have been able 2 do that.

BSN LOGIC: The sb has to be omnipotent "just because" for the sb to be a good sb.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And even with them, filing is still an issue as liara said in Lothsb.

So Glyph, the VI created explicitly to help the Broker in his Broker duties, can't help the Broker?

Not to help the SB be as good as the last SB in just 6 months.

[Steelcan]

Liara seamlessly became the new SB she did it need to establish nothing, no one knew there was a new broker at all. She had all the old ones agents, files, contacts etc... Your 6 month argument is irrelevant.

[Steelcan]

dreman9999 wrote...


]1. How would she know? It just happens. BEing a sbdoesnto mean being onipotant. Traynor found out about it by chance by hear a distress call and cross referancing it with EDI.
2. As for the coup, you do understand that at that time She was helping Shepard with Tuchuncka at the time. The issue withthe females also is based on her focus on the reapers. And The tuchunka bomb as issue of being a new sb and not going throught the massive info the sb had in time before destroying the sb's ship.
And how would she or anyone no about sactuary....There were no leaks of info on the place.
The beacon is also about her just becoming a sb and not going throught the massive info the sb had in time before destroying the sb's ship.

. I said I'd let the first two slide.  She had top level access to all the Council governments, she had the ability to find out about the females, beacon, and bomb.  And she could have just sent an agent to Sanctuary and had report back what he saw.  Not difficult, at all.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And even with them, filing is still an issue as liara said in Lothsb.

So Glyph, the VI created explicitly to help the Broker in his Broker duties, can't help the Broker?

Not to help the SB be as good as the last SB in just 6 months.

I have no idea why you keep bringing up the timeframe. You're fully aware that Liara becoming the Broker was seamless, right?

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And even with them, filing is still an issue as liara said in Lothsb.

So Glyph, the VI created explicitly to help the Broker in his Broker duties, can't help the Broker?

Not to help the SB be as good as the last SB in just 6 months.

I have no idea why you keep bringing up the timeframe. You're fully aware that Liara becoming the Broker was seamless, right?

No, it was not seamless. Itwas a case that no one suspected there was anew sb.
 TImeframe is an issue because ofthe ammount of info the sbhas and what you expect her to know. You want her to know about the tuchancka bomb, something deep in the old sb data bases which is massive,  atthe time she is focused on any info need to help stop the reapers during the 6 month She was on the sb's ship she later had to destroy.
That's unresonable.

Added, You want her to gain info on thing that just happen, like what happened on grimson acadamy like she is omnipotent?
Let alown no about thekrogan females on tuchanka during the time she if fully focused on finding info on stopping ther reapers?