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[dreman9999]

klarabella wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]You really think that someone can learn everything in the SB database, a data base that hold info for countless mallenia, in just 6 months?

That's what VIs are for. Glyph should be able to find patterns in data and I'm sure a former archeologist does have some means to narrow the results down.

The vi is just an index. Just because you have an index does not mean you know it's there.

[Barquiel]

klarabella wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]You really think that someone can learn everything in the SB database, a data base that hold info for countless mallenia, in just 6 months?

That's what VIs are for. Glyph should be able to find patterns in data and I'm sure a former archeologist does have some means to narrow the results down.

Liara had complete access to the database, we can even read the old SBs entry about cerberus. But the Yahg had only useless information here, not the location of TIMs station. It's the same with the beacon and the bomb.

[DeathScepter]

This One of several reasons ME3 is just a bad dream of Shepards

[DirtySHISN0]

Liara is probably listed under shadowbroker on the extranet. Everyone knows who she is. Absolutly everyone. The T'soni broker would be a more appropriate name.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 17 décembre 2012 - 04:33 .

[Steelcan]

That's one example. Now please tell me how she wouldn't know about everything else in the galaxy. Sanctuary, Turian bomb, beacon, geth/Quarian war, females on Sur'Kesh,

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

You really think that someone can learn everything in the SB database, a data base that hold info for countless mallenia, in just 6 months?

Added,the beacon and the tuchanka bomb put in the syatem well before the yahg sb's time.

"Countless millennia"? 

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

That's one example. Now please tell me how she wouldn't know about everything else in the galaxy. Sanctuary, Turian bomb, beacon, geth/Quarian war, females on Sur'Kesh,

I already did...

 How would she know? It just happens. Being a sb does not mean being onipotant. Traynor found out about the grimson  acadamy  situation by chance by hear a distress call and cross referancing it with EDI.
.As for the coup, you do understand that at that time She was helping Shepard with Tuchuncka. The issue with the females also is based on her focus on the reapers. And The tuchunka bomb as issue of being a new sb and not going throught the massive info the sb had in time before destroying the sb's ship.
And how would she or anyone no about sactuary....There were no leaks of info on the place.
The beacon is also about her just becoming a sb and not going throught the massive info the sb had in time before destroying the sb's ship.

[DirtySHISN0]

Steelcan wrote...

That's one example. Now please tell me how she wouldn't know about everything else in the galaxy. Sanctuary, Turian bomb, beacon, geth/Quarian war, females on Sur'Kesh,

When she isn't too busy lending a hand with specialised base 12 qauntumn mathematics to do her job, all 21 of those screens she has in her peeping den show shepards cabin in realtime and high definition - heaven forbid she misses something.

Even the toilet.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 17 décembre 2012 - 04:42 .

[nos_astra]

dreman9999 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]You really think that someone can learn everything in the SB database, a data base that hold info for countless mallenia, in just 6 months?

That's what VIs are for. Glyph should be able to find patterns in data and I'm sure a former archeologist does have some means to narrow the results down.

The vi is just an index. Just because you have an index does not mean you know it's there.

Fine, if Glyph isn't equipped to analyze the data buy a VI who can. VIs are very diverse and specially designed. You find them in L4 implants for (human?) biotics where they help regulate the ... well things (energy output/throughput/spikes/whatever). Edit: Okay, I really hope I didn't just pick this up in fanfiction. 

The Reapers are coming and Cerberus are trouble. There are problems with indoctrination. Find a way to tap that database for useful information.

Modifié par klarabella, 17 décembre 2012 - 04:45 .

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You really think that someone can learn everything in the SB database, a data base that hold info for countless mallenia, in just 6 months?

Added,the beacon and the tuchanka bomb put in the syatem well before the yahg sb's time.

"Countless millennia"? 

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline#Council_Era_-_Formation_.28500_BCE_-_1_CE.29

Ok, so it's about more then 2000 worth of info, but that still means it's massive any way.

[nos_astra]

Massive and useless. Quite a feat.

So now we have: The stuff she needs to find isn't there or the information is useless. The stuff she doesn't need is too much to wade through.

[shit's fucked cunts]

So, just curious, am I allowed to both like Liara, and think that's she's a bit of a lacklustre Shadow Broker? Are the two mutually exclusive?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

So, just curious, am I allowed to both like Liara, and think that's she's a bit of a lacklustre Shadow Broker? Are the two mutually exclusive?

No, because I feel the same way. ME3 presents Liara as a laughably incompetent SB, making LOTSB almost pointless in that part.

[dreman9999]

klarabella wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]You really think that someone can learn everything in the SB database, a data base that hold info for countless mallenia, in just 6 months?

That's what VIs are for. Glyph should be able to find patterns in data and I'm sure a former archeologist does have some means to narrow the results down.

The vi is just an index. Just because you have an index does not mean you know it's there.

Fine, if Glyph isn't equipped to analyze the data buy a VI who can. VIs are very diverse and specially designed. You find them in L4 implants for (human?) biotics where they help regulate the ... well things (energy output/throughput/spikes/whatever).

The Reapers are coming and Cerberus are trouble. There are problems with indoctrination. Find a way to tap that database for useful information.

1. Her focus is on the reapers and any vi she is using to help will be looking in to any info on stopping the reapers, not on the tuchancka bomb, or the female krogan being held.
2. The issue here is not about analyzing data, it's about a point of focus.
3.Add cerberus was nother enemy at the time she started to look into find a way of stopping the reapers. It only started during the 6 months Shepard was jailed, and by that time she was forced to destroy the sb's base.

[Steelcan]

So your excuse is, she can't ask a question to glyph? That's all it would take to search through her files

[dreman9999]

klarabella wrote...

Massive and useless. Quite a feat.

So now we have: The stuff she needs to find isn't there or the information is useless. The stuff she doesn't need is too much to wade through.

That's an issue of focus. If your trying to find away to stop the reapers, why would you look into any info not directly helping in that issue?

[LinksOcarina]

3DandBeyond wrote...

My biggest problem is that she's the worst Prothean expert ever.

Explain.

[nos_astra]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Her focus is on the reapers and any vi she is using to help will be looking in to any info on stopping the reapers, not on the tuchancka bomb, or the female krogan being held.
2. The issue here is not about analyzing data, it's about a point of focus.
3.Add cerberus was nother enemy at the time she started to look into find a way of stopping the reapers. It only started during the 6 months Shepard was jailed, and by that time she was forced to destroy the sb's base.

1. Her focus is on defeating the Reapers. Which means uniting the galaxy. Which means keeping tabs on what everyone is up to. 
2. Her focus is on defeating the Reapers. Who knows a lot about the Reapers? Cerberus. What is a huge problem with the Reapers while holding them off/surviving them as long a possible? INDOCTRINATION! 
3. No one has ever heard of backups.

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

So your excuse is, she can't ask a question to glyph? That's all it would take to search through her files

In order to ask the question, one must have something to lead to asking that question. What would draw her curiosity to wanting to learn more about whatt he turians did as a result of the krogan uprising if her intrest is trying to find info on how to stop the reaper?

[dreman9999]

klarabella wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Her focus is on the reapers and any vi she is using to help will be looking in to any info on stopping the reapers, not on the tuchancka bomb, or the female krogan being held.
2. The issue here is not about analyzing data, it's about a point of focus.
3.Add cerberus was nother enemy at the time she started to look into find a way of stopping the reapers. It only started during the 6 months Shepard was jailed, and by that time she was forced to destroy the sb's base.

1. Her focus is on defeating the Reapers. Which means uniting the galaxy. Which means keeping tabs on what everyone is up to. 
2. Her focus is on defeating the Reapers. Who knows a lot about the Reapers? Cerberus. What is a huge problem with the Reapers while holding them off/surviving them as long a possible? INDOCTRINATION! 
3. No one has ever heard of backups.

1. No it doesn't. By start of ME3 we learn that even uniting the galexy alown would not do that. You need something to get the gelexy to unite to ensure a victory.
2.All the info that Shepard found on the collecter base was given to her by Shepard....Added, Cerberus was thought to be an allie on shaky grounds, all monatoring of cerberus were taken out and then cerberus turn on her. It's now anissue of not having a way to moniter them as well.
3.She did not have time to backup everything. She tells you this herself.

[Barquiel]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

So, just curious, am I allowed to both like Liara, and think that's she's a bit of a lacklustre Shadow Broker? Are the two mutually exclusive?

It's certainly allowed

But for me, it's simply bad storytelling. Her actions were in the background, like sending shiploads of resources to the Crucible or rescuing asari refugees on Thessia. We never actually see it happening, but she's obviously doing important suff. But I think we can all agree that BW could've done so much more with Liara being the Shadow Broker.

[AresKeith]

A young woman under a massive amount of stress makes mistakes. Who knew?

[AresKeith]

LinksOcarina wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

My biggest problem is that she's the worst Prothean expert ever.

Explain.

You have Javik right?

[shit's fucked cunts]

Barquiel wrote...

But for me, it's simply bad storytelling. Her actions were in the background, like sending shiploads of resources to the Crucible or rescuing asari refugees on Thessia. We never actually see it happening, but she's obviously doing important suff. But I think we can all agree that BW could've done so much more with Liara being the Shadow Broker.

Agreed. There are a lot of things I love about Liara, but I can also acknowledge the flaws in her character and writing.

This Shadow Broker thing is one of them.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

My biggest problem is that she's the worst Prothean expert ever.

Explain.

You have Javik right?

So Laira was sappose to know every deal about the protheans even thought the reapers made sure to leave as little info on them as possible?