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[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You still miss thefact here that everything that happen with Liara and the protheans happens with all historians no matterthe experties.

2.That does not counter that out of all the experts she is the closes one tothe correct awnser.

Close and exactly opposite all at the same time.  Her heroes, the Protheans didn't create stuff, the Reapers did.  Yes, that's really close to the correct answer.

Yes, historians get things wrong and guess what, they are often disgraced for stating something is fact when it is conjecture.  There's so little left of the Protheans that no one should be stating categorically that any item is Prothean. 

Actually, TIM is far more of an expert than she is-and again, it's the problem with how she's written.  TIM doesn't look at the crucible as a weapon, but Liara says it is one.  Of course, he has some outside help since he's indoctrinated.

I don't miss the fact of anything.  Just because there are other bad Prothean experts and she gets somewhat closer to the truth in some ways, does not make her a good expert or even an expert.  She studies them, but learns little that is true about them.

Again, she thinks the Protheans were benevolent-they weren't.  She thinks they united people-sure, if subjugation and enslaving others can be called uniting.  She thinks they were super smart and invented the relays and the citadel, but they didn't.  Her faith in them is smashed when she meets Javik.  And it's because she's still more like a child about them than an expert.  That's ok, it's kind of endearing to see someone realize their gods are flawed organics and to see how that's dealt with.  But, she's the one they rely on for all things having to do with the Protheans when even she has been so wrong.

I'm done with this-another dreman show thread.  There's no discussing anything with you anyway because the discussion just goes in circles.

This is like arguing with a rock. All historiens do what Laira and ever historian in ME do. And they are not bad historians are found to be incorrect on one or some info they state.

They are only bad if they got the obvious incorrect.
You have not rapped you're head around this consept.

[dreman9999]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

And it's my understanding that she felt the Protheans built the relays-she even says it was great that they also saw the art of the relays when she's on the Citadel and sees the relays there.  She says the relays were the Protheans greatest achievement.  She also comments about their great creation, the citadel.

I watched the scene again. She only claims that the citadel and the relays are based on the technology of those who came before them. I stand corrected, then.

And in ME we learned they were built by the reapers. Wow. What a difference! Super Mac strikes again. ME3 is a great place to start!

sH0tgUn jUliA, Liara only says the prothean build the citadel and the relays in ME1. She never says that in ME2 or ME3.

Beint the the comment "that she felt the Protheans built the relays-she even says it was great that they also saw the art of the relays when she's on the Citadel"
That means she said it in ME1 being that wasthe only time Liara was next to the cunduit.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You still miss thefact here that everything that happen with Liara and the protheans happens with all historians no matterthe experties.

2.That does not counter that out of all the experts she is the closes one tothe correct awnser.

Close and exactly opposite all at the same time.  Her heroes, the Protheans didn't create stuff, the Reapers did.  Yes, that's really close to the correct answer.

Yes, historians get things wrong and guess what, they are often disgraced for stating something is fact when it is conjecture.  There's so little left of the Protheans that no one should be stating categorically that any item is Prothean. 

Actually, TIM is far more of an expert than she is-and again, it's the problem with how she's written.  TIM doesn't look at the crucible as a weapon, but Liara says it is one.  Of course, he has some outside help since he's indoctrinated.

I don't miss the fact of anything.  Just because there are other bad Prothean experts and she gets somewhat closer to the truth in some ways, does not make her a good expert or even an expert.  She studies them, but learns little that is true about them.

Again, she thinks the Protheans were benevolent-they weren't.  She thinks they united people-sure, if subjugation and enslaving others can be called uniting.  She thinks they were super smart and invented the relays and the citadel, but they didn't.  Her faith in them is smashed when she meets Javik.  And it's because she's still more like a child about them than an expert.  That's ok, it's kind of endearing to see someone realize their gods are flawed organics and to see how that's dealt with.  But, she's the one they rely on for all things having to do with the Protheans when even she has been so wrong.

I'm done with this-another dreman show thread.  There's no discussing anything with you anyway because the discussion just goes in circles.

This is like arguing with a rock. All historiens do what Laira and ever historian in ME do. And they are not bad historians are found to be incorrect on one or some info they state.

They are only bad if they got the obvious incorrect.
You have not rapped you're head around this consept.

Good job in repeating what she basically just said

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. You still miss thefact here that everything that happen with Liara and the protheans happens with all historians no matterthe experties.

2.That does not counter that out of all the experts she is the closes one tothe correct awnser.

Close and exactly opposite all at the same time.  Her heroes, the Protheans didn't create stuff, the Reapers did.  Yes, that's really close to the correct answer.

Yes, historians get things wrong and guess what, they are often disgraced for stating something is fact when it is conjecture.  There's so little left of the Protheans that no one should be stating categorically that any item is Prothean. 

Actually, TIM is far more of an expert than she is-and again, it's the problem with how she's written.  TIM doesn't look at the crucible as a weapon, but Liara says it is one.  Of course, he has some outside help since he's indoctrinated.

I don't miss the fact of anything.  Just because there are other bad Prothean experts and she gets somewhat closer to the truth in some ways, does not make her a good expert or even an expert.  She studies them, but learns little that is true about them.

Again, she thinks the Protheans were benevolent-they weren't.  She thinks they united people-sure, if subjugation and enslaving others can be called uniting.  She thinks they were super smart and invented the relays and the citadel, but they didn't.  Her faith in them is smashed when she meets Javik.  And it's because she's still more like a child about them than an expert.  That's ok, it's kind of endearing to see someone realize their gods are flawed organics and to see how that's dealt with.  But, she's the one they rely on for all things having to do with the Protheans when even she has been so wrong.

I'm done with this-another dreman show thread.  There's no discussing anything with you anyway because the discussion just goes in circles.

This is like arguing with a rock. All historiens do what Laira and ever historian in ME do. And they are not bad historians are found to be incorrect on one or some info they state.

They are only bad if they got the obvious incorrect.
You have not rapped you're head around this consept.

Good job in repeating what she basically just said

You missed the fact  she is using that as a reason to call Liara a bad expert.

The issue with being an expert is based on what you know with the info you have at had, not what you don't know because of lack of info.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 décembre 2012 - 08:28 .

[Merchant2006]

still bad

[Display Name Owner]

Well, she's not great. That's not even a criticism. The reason the last Shadow Broker was so successful was because he was ruthless and committed only to maintaining his vast empire. Anything and everyone else was expendable if it interfered with his operations. But that's what made him effective. Liara probably wouldn't order assassinations and bombings to make a problem disappear. Her run as Broker probably couldn't have lasted forever, tbh. I read the summary of her Homeworlds comic, and apparently TIM tells her that people are talking about how the Shadow Broker's gone soft and there's talk of a coup. Eventually I reckon Liara would either have to become more ruthless, or the whole thing would just overwhelm her.

But to be fair, the only reason she had any sort of success as the Broker was because the network was already set up and in working order. She even says that her job is basically cataloguing data and the like. But the fact that Cerberus eludes her throughout ME3 when the previous Broker already had agents in the organisation and bugs in TIM's office doesn't do her any credit... The fact that she can't simultaneously track Cerberus and aid the war effort just goes to show that she's not as good as the last guy.

[Steelcan]

dreman9999 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So your excuse is, she can't ask a question to glyph? That's all it would take to search through her files

In order to ask the question, one must have something to lead to asking that question. What would draw her curiosity to wanting to learn more about whatt he turians did as a result of the krogan uprising if her intrest is trying to find info on how to stop the reaper?

"Liara, I'm hearing a lot about this Sanctuary place, can you look in to it?"
"Liara the quarian flotilla has vanished, can you find them"
"We are going to diffuse this bomb on tuchunka, do have any information on it?"
"Liara the Asari governemnt is asking us to look into a beacon, can you tell me anything about it?"
"We need to cure the genophage, can you use your contacts to help us?"

Apparantly not

[TopSun]

Merchant2006 wrote...

still bad

[Barquiel]

dreman9999 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So your excuse is, she can't ask a question to glyph? That's all it would take to search through her files

In order to ask the question, one must have something to lead to asking that question. What would draw her curiosity to wanting to learn more about whatt he turians did as a result of the krogan uprising if her intrest is trying to find info on how to stop the reaper?

It's utterly pointless to discuss with him. To summarize Steelcan's "logic"

Liara is obviously useless even though the game tells you she is doing important stuff in the background. Of course she is also the writers pet even though BW changed already planned content just to give Traynor a role.

His precious Miranda is of course the most competent character ever but the writers hate her.

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So your excuse is, she can't ask a question to glyph? That's all it would take to search through her files

In order to ask the question, one must have something to lead to asking that question. What would draw her curiosity to wanting to learn more about whatt he turians did as a result of the krogan uprising if her intrest is trying to find info on how to stop the reaper?

It's utterly pointless to discuss with him. To summarize Steelcan's "logic"

Liara is obviously useless even though the game tells you she is doing important stuff in the background. Of course she is also the writers pet even though BW changed already planned content just to give Traynor a role.

His precious Miranda is of course the most competent character ever but the writers hate her.

She is said to be doing important stuff.  but this is never shown.  At all.

And Miranda is not the most competent character.  You're thinking of mess Sargeant Gardner.

[Steelcan]

And Liara lost some contemt to Traynor, your point? She still gets the lion's share of content.

[Uncle Jo]

I still don't see why we're adding "shadow" to broker. Her cover is blown. A short list of the people who know about her identity (Shepard doesn't count):
- The squaddies.
- Probably the whole crew in the Normandy (I personally don't buy that no one there knows what's going on)
- TIM.
- Wrex.
- The matriarchs of Thessia
- (Probably) the Council.
- Her mom.

People talk. The strenght of the former Shadow Broker was (aside from being incredibly intelligent and ruthless) that no one had any f*cking clue about who he really was (Harbinger did though). He also managed to let every one thinks his predecessor was still in charge.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:25 .