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[TheRealJayDee]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Probably would if I still played ME.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Probably would if I still played ME.

This.

Also, I still come back to see where Bioware goes next with the franchise... and see if fixing their ME3 misstep will ever happen.  Bioware can bounce back from this.  Kojima was able to do it with MGS4 (after MGS2's backlash), so anything's possible.

I won't be pre-ordering their next game(s) at all anymore though... or even buying their games new.  They have some faith to restore and I'd like to see them do it and return to their former prestige..

[Scottus4]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Kojima was able to do it with MGS4 (after MGS2's backlash), so anything's possible.

Kojima trolled the **** out of us. MGS4's ending was terrible, what are you talking about? Easily, EASILY worse than ME3's ending. Most people don't follow the story so they don't give a damn, but if you have followed the story, it is basically a punch in the **** when you learn that Solid Snake was the villain all along, simply a tool of the Patriots, and that Liquid succeeding freed the human race from their control. Also, Big Boss never died and is also the real hero... instead of being a tragic villain with a believable fall to the dark side.

[3DandBeyond]

magnetite wrote...


If you don't play Mass Effect 3 anymore, why are you still here? I mean this is sort of a discussion forum for people who are actively playing and are passionate about the game. If you were passionate about this game you'd still be playing it, but you're not. So, can you see my point?

Bioware should do something similar with what Blizzard does where you have to be actively playing the game in order to post on their forums. Not just have the game registered to your account, because that makes it too easy to post. In Blizzard's case with WoW, an active subscription. Sure would cut down on the weird threads.

I should go put that in their suggestion box or something.

Actually this is not labeled as a site for people who actively play the game.  And just what I want is more intrusive scrutiny on my personal habits.  Sure, they can know if you are playing the game, but I'd at least like to be able to believe they are not monitoring my activity at all times and basing all their decisions on it.  Yeah, please EA/Bioware, collect more information on what I'm doing.

Also, last time I looked this was a registered owners only forum.  I bought all three games-on PC for ME1 and PS3 for 2 and 3.  Then I was given all three on the xbox.  Then a fan created MEHEM and because I really do want to have this game end on a happier (not totally fixed) note, I decided to get the PC trilogy so I could use the mod.  So, I think that qualifies me as a registered owner.

Do I have the right to complain about this even while I'm spending more money on it, yes, I think I do.  As yet, Bioware has failed to deliver on a fix to this mess.  One (or more) fans has done so and done a very good job.  So, I bought the games for me, so I could finally see some piece of what I always wanted and still wait to see if Bioware can and will eventually deliver something.  I don't believe they will, but anything is possible.

Bottom line is, having bought and registered games does give one a right to discuss them here.  Other sites don't even require that you own their games so that people are free to ask questions and find out if they will like them.  But this is the only area where spoilers are allowed.

[Iakus]

Funkdrspot wrote...

iakus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
no, my ability to accept a Saving Private Ryan-type ending makes my opinion far more valid. it might not be your or my preferred ending but unlike you, i can accept it.

A choice-based RPG shouldn't force a Saving Private Ryan ending on someone who doesn't want it.

lol, yet again an opinion not root in reality. there will ALWAYS be certain outcomes regardless of choice.

Yet again, not talking about reality.  Talking about a game.  A game which was promised multiple, varied endings.

Yet every single one of them, no matter what choices I made was a "Saving Private Ryan" ending, as you put it.  Even when I made a difference in teh galaxy, it made no difference.

Now, if you're into that sort of ending well, that's good for you, I guess.  Or if you just care about Mass Effect as an action game and just wanna shoot stuff and don't care about the actual story, you luck out too.

But I like to have at least a little agency in how an rpg unfolds.  SIlly me for taking Bioware seriously when they advertised that.

[Iakus]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Also, last time I looked this was a registered owners only forum.  I bought all three games-on PC for ME1 and PS3 for 2 and 3.  Then I was given all three on the xbox.  Then a fan created MEHEM and because I really do want to have this game end on a happier (not totally fixed) note, I decided to get the PC trilogy so I could use the mod.  So, I think that qualifies me as a registered owner.

MEHEM will salvage ME3 for you.  It' what an optimal ME3 ending should have been

[tanisha__unknown]

I sit through all of it. At least the music at the catalyst scene fits very well...

[Reth Shepherd]

Jinx1720 wrote...

I sit through all of it. At least the music at the catalyst scene fits very well...

Either of these would have worked better, IMO.

[SpamBot2000]

iakus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

iakus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
no, my ability to accept a Saving Private Ryan-type ending makes my opinion far more valid. it might not be your or my preferred ending but unlike you, i can accept it.

A choice-based RPG shouldn't force a Saving Private Ryan ending on someone who doesn't want it.

lol, yet again an opinion not root in reality. there will ALWAYS be certain outcomes regardless of choice.

Yet again, not talking about reality.  Talking about a game.  A game which was promised multiple, varied endings.

Yet every single one of them, no matter what choices I made was a "Saving Private Ryan" ending, as you put it.  Even when I made a difference in teh galaxy, it made no difference.

Now, if you're into that sort of ending well, that's good for you, I guess.  Or if you just care about Mass Effect as an action game and just wanna shoot stuff and don't care about the actual story, you luck out too.

But I like to have at least a little agency in how an rpg unfolds.  SIlly me for taking Bioware seriously when they advertised that.

Saving Private Ryan? At least that one ended in the saving of Private Ryan. Not merging him with the Wehrmacht. And Tom Hanks didn't gun down the British at the insistence of the Fuehrer to manage it either.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 20 décembre 2012 - 04:40 .

[Jadebaby]

I like this thread.

[3DandBeyond]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Jinx1720 wrote...

I sit through all of it. At least the music at the catalyst scene fits very well...

Either of these would have worked better, IMO.

Oh god, yes the Benny Hill theme.  I now envision Shepard on a tricycle falling over when Harby shoots his beam.

[3DandBeyond]

SpamBot2000 wrote...


Saving Private Ryan? At least that one ended in the saving of Private Ryan. Not merging him with the Wehrmacht. And Tom Hanks didn't gun down the British at the insistence of the Fuehrer to manage it either.

Oh my sides hurt from laughing.  I think it'd be great to imagine that all good movies end like ME3 did, but the thread would be locked.

It's so awful that in Saving Private Ryan the real goal of the story was achieved.  This should never happen or it ain't art.

[KotorEffect3]

I play all the way through then I am smart enough to use the crucible and then watch the epilogue and then after the credits roll I either import another Shepard or get a new one ready in ME 1 to run through all three games.

[The Night Mammoth]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I play all the way through then I am smart enough to use the crucible and then watch the epilogue and then after the credits roll I either import another Shepard or get a new one ready in ME 1 to run through all three games.

Using the Crucible is smart?

Wow, coulda' fooled me. 

[KotorEffect3]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I play all the way through then I am smart enough to use the crucible and then watch the epilogue and then after the credits roll I either import another Shepard or get a new one ready in ME 1 to run through all three games.

Using the Crucible is smart?

Wow, coulda' fooled me. 

Yeah saving the galaxy from annihlation and ending the cycle is generally smarter than not using the only thing that can stop the reapers because of some missplaced self righteous sense of pride.

[The Night Mammoth]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I play all the way through then I am smart enough to use the crucible and then watch the epilogue and then after the credits roll I either import another Shepard or get a new one ready in ME 1 to run through all three games.

Using the Crucible is smart?

Wow, coulda' fooled me. 

Yeah saving the galaxy from annihlation and ending the cycle is generally smarter than not using the only thing that can stop the reapers because of some missplaced self righteous sense of pride.

I don't choose Refuse either, that's just as moronic. 

[Red Panda]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I like this thread.

I do too, but I feel that it's covered in hatred with hatred filling with a pure hatred center. It's just so hateful.


That and it can be depressing to read through.

[Shepard108278]

Scottus4 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Kojima was able to do it with MGS4 (after MGS2's backlash), so anything's possible.

Kojima trolled the **** out of us. MGS4's ending was terrible, what are you talking about? Easily, EASILY worse than ME3's ending. Most people don't follow the story so they don't give a damn, but if you have followed the story, it is basically a punch in the **** when you learn that Solid Snake was the villain all along, simply a tool of the Patriots, and that Liquid succeeding freed the human race from their control. Also, Big Boss never died and is also the real hero... instead of being a tragic villain with a believable fall to the dark side.

Are you freaking serious? I so wanted a PS3 just so I could see how this ended and if ended like that then damn what a way to loose a fan.

[Shepard108278]

iakus wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Also, last time I looked this was a registered owners only forum.  I bought all three games-on PC for ME1 and PS3 for 2 and 3.  Then I was given all three on the xbox.  Then a fan created MEHEM and because I really do want to have this game end on a happier (not totally fixed) note, I decided to get the PC trilogy so I could use the mod.  So, I think that qualifies me as a registered owner.

MEHEM will salvage ME3 for you.  It' what an optimal ME3 ending should have been

No it isn't imo. It is good but the real ending is better IMO.

[o Ventus]

Shepard108278 wrote...

iakus wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Also, last time I looked this was a registered owners only forum.  I bought all three games-on PC for ME1 and PS3 for 2 and 3.  Then I was given all three on the xbox.  Then a fan created MEHEM and because I really do want to have this game end on a happier (not totally fixed) note, I decided to get the PC trilogy so I could use the mod.  So, I think that qualifies me as a registered owner.

MEHEM will salvage ME3 for you.  It' what an optimal ME3 ending should have been

No it isn't imo. It is good but the real ending is better IMO.

It really isn't.

[Iakus]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I play all the way through then I am smart enough to use the crucible and then watch the epilogue and then after the credits roll I either import another Shepard or get a new one ready in ME 1 to run through all three games.

Using the Crucible is smart?

Wow, coulda' fooled me. 

Yeah saving the galaxy from annihlation and ending the cycle is generally smarter than not using the only thing that can stop the reapers because of some missplaced self righteous sense of pride.

It's called a "conscience"

Games aren't supposed to make people feel like they did something wrong.

[Shepard108278]

o Ventus wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

iakus wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Also, last time I looked this was a registered owners only forum.  I bought all three games-on PC for ME1 and PS3 for 2 and 3.  Then I was given all three on the xbox.  Then a fan created MEHEM and because I really do want to have this game end on a happier (not totally fixed) note, I decided to get the PC trilogy so I could use the mod.  So, I think that qualifies me as a registered owner.

MEHEM will salvage ME3 for you.  It' what an optimal ME3 ending should have been

No it isn't imo. It is good but the real ending is better IMO.

It really isn't.

Differing opinions I think the original ending (post ec) Is great.

[3DandBeyond]

iakus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...


Yeah saving the galaxy from annihlation and ending the cycle is generally smarter than not using the only thing that can stop the reapers because of some missplaced self righteous sense of pride.

It's called a "conscience"

Games aren't supposed to make people feel like they did something wrong.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with pride and everything to do with real logic (not the insanity the kid uses) as well as some demented idea that giving in and giving the enemy (who has been turning people into goo), is a good and just wonderful thing.  It's using one's grey matter to envision a Shepard who needed more explanation for everything else, and would have had more concern for why toasting bread would create a good tasting thing, would actually never sit and listen to the limp explanation for these choices.  It's considering that BW allowed people to create different types of Shepards and they created dialogue for us to do so, and then at the end gave many of us no ending that fits a Shepard they allowed us to create.

I know what the choices are to me and you are allowed to disagree, but that does not make you right.  It means you see things differently.  Control is repulsive-people forced to live with monsters who basically ate people.  Synthesis-invasion of people's bodies in some idea of expediency.  With unknown tech that will do unknown things.  Sure, yeah in what world do we live where that makes sense-basically molest someone to put stuff in their body when you have no idea what it will do.  And at the same time give synthetics full knowledge of organics that comes from another unknown source.  Great idea.  Destroy-kill billions of people (that you worked to help BE people) who always believed the reapers were real and who are your allies, just to save some other people if what the kid says is even true. 

The endings are filled with ifs, maybes, mights, and the like and not a lot of proof and truth, but by all means set off the big mystery object to do something the kid says it will do and then hope like hell it will do that and that what it does will be a good thing.  My Shepard would never do this.  And refuse is a joke with the best speech of all the ending speeches.

[Peranor]

I've never finished Priority: Earth. So I've never played as far as to the good bye scene. But if I would I would totally press alt+F4

[3DandBeyond]

anorling wrote...




I've never finished Priority: Earth. So I've never played as far as to the good bye scene. But if I would I would totally press alt+F4

I figure it will be much better at least in feeling with MEHEM.  The only goodbye scenes I've seen are the one with Liara and then one (rather funny and not intentionally so) with EDI as the injured one.  I can tell you that if Liara is someone's canon LI, that the goodbye scene tends to feel even worse than the gift scene does.  It's really a good scene but it's made to feel so awful because of the endings.