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[Iakus]

3DandBeyond wrote...

anorling wrote...




I've never finished Priority: Earth. So I've never played as far as to the good bye scene. But if I would I would totally press alt+F4

I figure it will be much better at least in feeling with MEHEM.  The only goodbye scenes I've seen are the one with Liara and then one (rather funny and not intentionally so) with EDI as the injured one.  I can tell you that if Liara is someone's canon LI, that the goodbye scene tends to feel even worse than the gift scene does.  It's really a good scene but it's made to feel so awful because of the endings.

The evac scenes, good or bad, pale in comparison to the memorial scene.  That feels like a bittersweet scene.  Sad, but hopeful for the future.

[MegaSovereign]

I don't understand. What's the point of playing through a game if you're not gonna finish it? The endings are not emotionally scarring. If they were then you wouldn't be replaying it anyway.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 22 décembre 2012 - 03:54 .

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't understand. What's the point of playing through a game if you're not gonna finish it? The endings are not emotionally scarring. If they were then you wouldn't be replaying it anyway.

Perhaps you weren't aware of people being unable to touch any Mass Effect game for months afterwards (like me) 

Many people find the game at least tolerable (or even good) until the very end, when it drives itself completely over a cliff.  Before then, you can at least imagine there's going to be an ending worth earning.

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't understand. What's the point of playing through a game if you're not gonna finish it? The endings are not emotionally scarring. If they were then you wouldn't be replaying it anyway.

Perhaps you weren't aware of people being unable to touch any Mass Effect game for months afterwards (like me) 

Many people find the game at least tolerable (or even good) until the very end, when it drives itself completely over a cliff.  Before then, you can at least imagine there's going to be an ending worth earning.

I can't help but think "1st world problems" when I read comments like these. I think I read a thread a couple days ago where the OP stated that he would not show these endings to his children or something.

This type of behavior is rather bizarre. It's hyperbole to say that the endings are offensive.

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I can't help but think "1st world problems" when I read comments like these. I think I read a thread a couple days ago where the OP stated that he would not show these endings to his children or something.

This type of behavior is rather bizarre. It's hyperbole to say that the endings are offensive.

Where does one buy a paintbrush of that size, If I may ask?

"Offensive" is pushing it.  "Insulting" certainly isn't.  To me, at least.

[MegaSovereign]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I can't help but think "1st world problems" when I read comments like these. I think I read a thread a couple days ago where the OP stated that he would not show these endings to his children or something.

This type of behavior is rather bizarre. It's hyperbole to say that the endings are offensive.

Where does one buy a paintbrush of that size, If I may ask?

"Offensive" is pushing it.  "Insulting" certainly isn't.  To me, at least.

All I'm saying is that people should be a bit more reasonable. I can understand where the negativity comes from but pretending like the endings are emotionally painful is a bit ridiculous.

But hey, people can do whatever they want. If they want to play till Priority Earth and then eject their game discs then that's their business. I just can't wrap my head around the idea of investing dozens of hours into something and not going through with it all the way.

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

All I'm saying is that people should be a bit more reasonable. I can understand where the negativity comes from but pretending like the endings are emotionally painful is a bit ridiculous.

The endings are painfu to people.  Not to you obviously.  But other people aren't you.

But hey, people can do whatever they want. If they want to play till Priority Earth and then eject their game discs then that's their business. I just can't wrap my head around the idea of investing dozens of hours into something and not going through with it all the way.

And that's how some people deal with the endings.  Ignore it as best they can and try to enjoy what they can of the game they paid for.

Modifié par iakus, 22 décembre 2012 - 04:34 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Scottus4 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Kojima was able to do it with MGS4 (after MGS2's backlash), so anything's possible.

Kojima trolled the **** out of us. MGS4's ending was terrible, what are you talking about? Easily, EASILY worse than ME3's ending. Most people don't follow the story so they don't give a damn, but if you have followed the story, it is basically a punch in the **** when you learn that Solid Snake was the villain all along, simply a tool of the Patriots, and that Liquid succeeding freed the human race from their control. Also, Big Boss never died and is also the real hero... instead of being a tragic villain with a believable fall to the dark side.

I never said MGS4 was perfect... but Solid Snake was never the villain (ever).  Involved/Confused?  Definitely.  But never a villain.  That said, they did repair some damage they had done with MGS2.  Big Boss's legacy is still in-tact and MGS Ground Zeroes is hotly anticipated (as is MGS5).  Mass Effect is still in the alienation recovery phase.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 22 décembre 2012 - 04:48 .

[in it for the lolz]

Who cares about ME3, It sucks! the DOOM 3 BFG Edition beats that pile of crap any day!
(Also picturing the Bule Stalker getting her head bitten off by a Hellknight makes me giggle).

Modifié par in it for the lolz, 22 décembre 2012 - 05:10 .

[AlanC9]

3DandBeyond wrote...

iakus wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Yeah saving the galaxy from annihlation and ending the cycle is generally smarter than not using the only thing that can stop the reapers because of some missplaced self righteous sense of pride.

It's called a "conscience"

Games aren't supposed to make people feel like they did something wrong.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with pride and everything to do with real logic (not the insanity the kid uses) as well as some demented idea that giving in and giving the enemy (who has been turning people into goo), is a good and just wonderful thing.  It's using one's grey matter to envision a Shepard who needed more explanation for everything else, and would have had more concern for why toasting bread would create a good tasting thing, would actually never sit and listen to the limp explanation for these choices.  It's considering that BW allowed people to create different types of Shepards and they created dialogue for us to do so, and then at the end gave many of us no ending that fits a Shepard they allowed us to create.

I know what the choices are to me and you are allowed to disagree, but that does not make you right.  It means you see things differently.  Control is repulsive-people forced to live with monsters who basically ate people.  Synthesis-invasion of people's bodies in some idea of expediency.  With unknown tech that will do unknown things.  Sure, yeah in what world do we live where that makes sense-basically molest someone to put stuff in their body when you have no idea what it will do.  And at the same time give synthetics full knowledge of organics that comes from another unknown source.  Great idea.  Destroy-kill billions of people (that you worked to help BE people) who always believed the reapers were real and who are your allies, just to save some other people if what the kid says is even true. 

The endings are filled with ifs, maybes, mights, and the like and not a lot of proof and truth, but by all means set off the big mystery object to do something the kid says it will do and then hope like hell it will do that and that what it does will be a good thing.  My Shepard would never do this.  And refuse is a joke with the best speech of all the ending speeches.

I thought the question there was whether using the Crucible is smart, not whether or not using it is repulsive, evil, or some such. Yep, there are ifs. As opposed to certain annihilation down the other path. 

[Maxster_]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Probably would if I still played ME.

[Peranor]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't understand. What's the point of playing through a game if you're not gonna finish it? The endings are not emotionally scarring. If they were then you wouldn't be replaying it anyway.

Not emotionally scarring. no. But the whole ending is so bad I consider it a waste of time to continue playing at that point. I get nothing positive what so ever out of my gaming experince from reaching that ridiculous starkid and the overly pretentious ending. So I see no point in spending time trying to reach it. Simple as that.
If a book no longer can keep me interested I stop reading it, If a movie no longer can keep me interested I stop watching it. And same goes for games.

Modifié par anorling, 22 décembre 2012 - 11:05 .

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I can't help but think "1st world problems" when I read comments like these. I think I read a thread a couple days ago where the OP stated that he would not show these endings to his children or something.

This type of behavior is rather bizarre. It's hyperbole to say that the endings are offensive.

Where does one buy a paintbrush of that size, If I may ask?

"Offensive" is pushing it.  "Insulting" certainly isn't.  To me, at least.

All I'm saying is that people should be a bit more reasonable. I can understand where the negativity comes from but pretending like the endings are emotionally painful is a bit ridiculous.

But hey, people can do whatever they want. If they want to play till Priority Earth and then eject their game discs then that's their business. I just can't wrap my head around the idea of investing dozens of hours into something and not going through with it all the way.

Just because they are not emotionally painful for you does not mean anyone saying they are is lying. I'm not lying when I say they were painful for me. I am on some at least vaguely familiar terms with depression, and trust me when I say this is the most depressing game ending I have ever seen. A mandatory suicide based on last-minute franchise-sabotaging nonsense, in case you're wondering why.

And that is why I don't play Mass Effect at all these days. And I want to play Mass Effect, because I freaking loved it. That's why I need a decent ending. 

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 22 décembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[crimzontearz]

I do not have to "pretend" they were emotionally painful MegaSovereign, they were, to me AND you have no place claiming that I am pretending. The ending were, to me, upsetting enough that to this day I cannot bring myself to replay any of the games because they, de facto, sucked away from me ANY will to. And I hope Mac and Casey are happy in their art bubble knowing I have gone from playing ME 1 and 2 about 20 tiles each to just twice for ME3....if that is what they were going for then mission accomplished

[Seboist]

garrusfan1 wrote...

 I do the good bye scenes and then stop. Basically I do this so I don't have to see the ending again and it works well this way for me. So does anyone else do this

Nah, like with any Uwe Boll movie I figure since I'm that far into the "story" then I should go all the way.

[TheRealJayDee]

iakus wrote...

Games aren't supposed to make people feel like they did something wrong.

I actually disagree on this to some extent. They can do that, and sometimes it's a great and intense experience (think 'Shadow of the Colossus' for example). But it's a tricky thing to pull off and more than anything it needs to fit the game.

That's where ME3 failed completely. The scale of "wrong" at the end, in the context of the whole trilogy is... well, yeah, it's kinda painful.

[Seboist]

iakus wrote...

Games aren't supposed to make people feel like they did something wrong.

I certainly don't feel like I'm doing something wrong when I kill grannie for her car in Saints Row.

[SpamBot2000]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

iakus wrote...

Games aren't supposed to make people feel like they did something wrong.

I actually disagree on this to some extent. They can do that, and sometimes it's a great and intense experience (think 'Shadow of the Colossus' for example). But it's a tricky thing to pull off and more than anything it needs to fit the game.

That's where ME3 failed completely. The scale of "wrong" at the end, in the context of the whole trilogy is... well, yeah, it's kinda painful.

Agree about SotC. This is where 'teh artistic integrity' thing is supposed to come in. Staying consistent in your creation. Not tossing your universe in the garbage in a hissy fit because the mean parent corporation is putting the squeeze on you.  

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 22 décembre 2012 - 05:41 .

[Peranor]

crimzontearz wrote...

I do not have to "pretend" they were emotionally painful MegaSovereign, they were, to me AND you have no place claiming that I am pretending. The ending were, to me, upsetting enough that to this day I cannot bring myself to replay any of the games because they, de facto, sucked away from me ANY will to. And I hope Mac and Casey are happy in their art bubble knowing I have gone from playing ME 1 and 2 about 20 tiles each to just twice for ME3....if that is what they were going for then mission accomplished

Remember that this is BSN. The place where everyone knows your own opinion and feelings better then you do yourself

[GreyLycanTrope]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I can't help but think "1st world problems" when I read comments like these. I think I read a thread a couple days ago where the OP stated that he would not show these endings to his children or something.

This type of behavior is rather bizarre. It's hyperbole to say that the endings are offensive.

Where does one buy a paintbrush of that size, If I may ask?

"Offensive" is pushing it.  "Insulting" certainly isn't.  To me, at least.

"Repugnant" is the term I'd use.

[Shepard108278]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't understand. What's the point of playing through a game if you're not gonna finish it? The endings are not emotionally scarring. If they were then you wouldn't be replaying it anyway.

I can't remember your view on the endings but me liking them aside I agree with you 100%.

[Iakus]

Greylycantrope wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I can't help but think "1st world problems" when I read comments like these. I think I read a thread a couple days ago where the OP stated that he would not show these endings to his children or something.

This type of behavior is rather bizarre. It's hyperbole to say that the endings are offensive.

Where does one buy a paintbrush of that size, If I may ask?

"Offensive" is pushing it.  "Insulting" certainly isn't.  To me, at least.

"Repugnant" is the term I'd use.

I have used that term in the past as well, yes.

Re:  Endings that make you feel like you've done something wrong:  I havne't played Shadow of the Collossus or any of the Saints Row games, so I can't comment on them or theri endings.

But when a game trilogy lets me play the same character more or less consistently the whole time, only to pull the rug out from under me with literally minutes to go, that is insulting, repugnant, whatever term you wwant to use.  My Shepard lived a life of honor, proving there was nothing that couldn't be overcome if we stood together as one, to break the cycle of the Reapers and let the galaxy build it's own future.  Or a dozen different futures.

Only to have Biwoare tell me "Trolol, Nope!"  Complete with the trollface that is the Catalyst. 

[SpamBot2000]

Yeah, there's nothing inconsistent about the ending of SotC. It's a great game for those who have a PS. 2 or 3, available for both.

Well, not to absolutely everyone's taste. Melancholy. Not 'depressing'. At least wasn't for me.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 22 décembre 2012 - 07:19 .

[DirtySHISN0]

You actually play priority earth? I stop after cronos station.

[Madecologist]

There are plenty of games I play and not to 'fruitation'.

FF6, I have started more games than I can count and took the game up to the point Edgar and Setzer rejoins your party in the World of Ruin. But only played to full fruitation 4 times. I really didn't like the pacing of the game when it becomes full on 'open world' in the World of Ruin. If I want to see the ending again... I just load my save game before the last boss, beat him and watch the ending.

So I totally understand people that play ME3 up to a certain point and just can it. Unlike a movie where sitting through the last 20 minutes is nothing because well it is only 20 minutes. It is more like a TV series where you didn't like the last season. Where you would watch the show up to season 3 or 4, then not watch the last two seasons and at a later time starting from the pilot again.