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[Stardusk]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Also the conclusions you've drawn from whether you prefer soloing or playing with teams, reminds me of horoscopes.

But you forgot to mention that Soloists may soon find themselves experiencing a great windfall, and that team players should beware of snakes in long grass.

Soloists do have a sorta edge, if they can also co-op just equally, they can alone do stuff without a hand, but if they are anti team, they might as well just stick to their soloing and keep out....

THis game IDK why the heck it even has "solo" challenges...but thats me I find the fact a mark for Solo plat. alone was kinda....wtf

 

I was mainly talking about the rather hilariously un-related things that were drawn simply from whether you prefer one play style or another. For example I could say that people who play Infiltrators tend to be shy people and that's why they like hiding, while people who play Vanguards are likely to get into bar fights because they're always getting in people's faces. :lol: It's ridiculous, gave me a good laugh, but I hope it was not meant to be taken seriously. 

As for soloists "having an edge"... soloing and playing with a team are two completely different games. In solos it's about kiting enemies around the map and being patient, in team games (at least most of mine) it's a rush to the spawns to find the groups of enemies and murder them as fast as you can. You can't really compare the two, but in my group of friends, the vast majority who can play decently in a team game could solo Gold or Platinum without too much trouble.

Translation: Sirian is an introvert, even though he does not like soloing.

[Topographer]

The game is more dynamic with more players.

[RedJohn]

Well, I love soloing for the challenge, but only when it is a real challenge, like solo gold on demo or at the beginning, but now it's too easy.



I don't want to sound elitist but I before because now no matter what I know I will be able to do it.


It doesn't matter if I use a lvl1 character with an avenger against any enemy on any map, I know I will solo it.


That's why now I only care about speed.

I prefer to play with a team, never care about score or anything, just play and have fun.

Modifié par RedJohn, 17 décembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[me0120]

Lord_Sirian wrote...
In solos it's about kiting enemies around the map and being patient, in team games (at least most of mine) it's a rush to the spawns to find the groups of enemies and murder them as fast as you can. 

And PUGs are all about spinning in circles waiting for revives. I think. 

[Crimson Vanguard]

Soloed Platinum once and failed at extraction. It was awful, so painful and boring would not bang again

[Caineghis2500]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Also the conclusions you've drawn from whether you prefer soloing or playing with teams, reminds me of horoscopes.

But you forgot to mention that Soloists may soon find themselves experiencing a great windfall, and that team players should beware of snakes in long grass.

Soloists do have a sorta edge, if they can also co-op just equally, they can alone do stuff without a hand, but if they are anti team, they might as well just stick to their soloing and keep out....

THis game IDK why the heck it even has "solo" challenges...but thats me I find the fact a mark for Solo plat. alone was kinda....wtf

 

I was mainly talking about the rather hilariously un-related things that were drawn simply from whether you prefer one play style or another. For example I could say that people who play Infiltrators tend to be shy people and that's why they like hiding, while people who play Vanguards are likely to get into bar fights because they're always getting in people's faces. :lol: It's ridiculous, gave me a good laugh, but I hope it was not meant to be taken seriously. 

As for soloists "having an edge"... soloing and playing with a team are two completely different games. In solos it's about kiting enemies around the map and being patient, in team games (at least most of mine) it's a rush to the spawns to find the groups of enemies and murder them as fast as you can. You can't really compare the two, but in my group of friends, the vast majority who can play decently in a team game could solo Gold or Platinum without too much trouble.

Your translation of soloing is offensive. Its more than kiting and patience. Too much to explain:huh:

[DarkseidXIII]

Vilyn117 wrote...

Not even going to bother reading; co-op means cooperative, cooperative means a team effort.

HA! Its available co-op. Co-op is not the rule. Thats why you can start a game by yourself. I think it shows great generousity to let others in on games. Carrying a team is thrown around a lot, but until it becomes the norm for you, you'll never understand that the team can be a liability. I only play PUGs. For me, soloing is boring. Doesnt mean I dont do it and feel superior when I do. 

In short; When "Team Effort" fails, all thats left is the soloer and his superior skills. 

[bondiboy]

Soloing is boring .

[Homey C-Dawg]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Soloed Platinum once and failed at extraction. It was awful, so painful and boring would not bang again

That's about how my platinum solo attempts went. 

Solo and team are such different beasts that I don't think I can directly compare them.

[Caineghis2500]

DarkseidXIII wrote...

Vilyn117 wrote...

Not even going to bother reading; co-op means cooperative, cooperative means a team effort.

HA! Its available co-op. Co-op is not the rule. Thats why you can start a game by yourself. I think it shows great generousity to let others in on games. Carrying a team is thrown around a lot, but until it becomes the norm for you, you'll never understand that the team can be a liability. I only play PUGs. For me, soloing is boring. Doesnt mean I dont do it and feel superior when I do. 

In short; When "Team Effort" fails, all thats left is the soloer and his superior skills. 

I like you sir

[ValorOfArms777]

....Ya know the sad fact Sirian... I play both Vangaurds/Infil equally

Does that mean I'm a shy person that likes bar fights xD

....damn now I want a BC/TC character with nova damn straight

I play exclusively 2 styles, Cautious and Offensive Dodger, even as a Infil I will NOT just stand around being all Cautious forever I will literally pop out for a time and BANG the crud outa everything even with a sniper... I become demented upon their deaths..I need blood on the ground to savor my violent tendacies..., though I do have that cautious side that makes me think about what I'm doing and plan up to around 5 routes in my head of escape and such along with enemy habits, I cannot solo well cause I need...ugh decoys I need people able to be my diversion I understand multi person habits of enemies more than solo which both differ >_>

anyways yeah I knew you were joking xD

I only can clutch with "peer pressure" I need that edge of knowign others count on my strong shoulders to clutch the round....but I have clutched many times to like it was a solo and pre...retaliation I soloed each faction once on gold...I did it but it's amazingly painful and hurts my body 

Modifié par ValorOfArms777, 17 décembre 2012 - 08:40 .

[Cyonan]

Neither of them are the true master race =P

[Stardusk]

caineghis2500 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Also the conclusions you've drawn from whether you prefer soloing or playing with teams, reminds me of horoscopes.

But you forgot to mention that Soloists may soon find themselves experiencing a great windfall, and that team players should beware of snakes in long grass.

Soloists do have a sorta edge, if they can also co-op just equally, they can alone do stuff without a hand, but if they are anti team, they might as well just stick to their soloing and keep out....

THis game IDK why the heck it even has "solo" challenges...but thats me I find the fact a mark for Solo plat. alone was kinda....wtf

 

I was mainly talking about the rather hilariously un-related things that were drawn simply from whether you prefer one play style or another. For example I could say that people who play Infiltrators tend to be shy people and that's why they like hiding, while people who play Vanguards are likely to get into bar fights because they're always getting in people's faces. :lol: It's ridiculous, gave me a good laugh, but I hope it was not meant to be taken seriously. 

As for soloists "having an edge"... soloing and playing with a team are two completely different games. In solos it's about kiting enemies around the map and being patient, in team games (at least most of mine) it's a rush to the spawns to find the groups of enemies and murder them as fast as you can. You can't really compare the two, but in my group of friends, the vast majority who can play decently in a team game could solo Gold or Platinum without too much trouble.

Your translation of soloing is offensive. Its more than kiting and patience. Too much to explain:huh:

A cada cual lo suyo, por lo tanto, no hay ninguna razón para explicar.

[staindgrey]

Learning to solo is one of the best possible enhancements to one's game available, because one has no crutch available to accommodate for weaknesses. Essentially, you learn by a trial by fire. Without even realizing it, figuring out how to solo will teach you how to control spawns, evade enemy fire using batches of soft cover, kite effectively, and most importantly, will prepare you for the inevitable "oh crap everybody's dead" scenario.

The benefits of learning to solo cannot be ignored. That said... "team players" make a team game immensely easier. You can't possibly tell me that you would rather have another lone ranger on the team than, say, a Volus making sure your shields are up, or an adept trying to set off your BEs efficiently or a Krogan intentionally trying to be a road block between Banshee balls and you.

i.e. This conversation's purpose is stupid. Both types of players hold separate but equal values. One can benefit from being a little bit of both.

[kmmd60]

Solo is good test if you play it agressively. If you can dish out enough bullets to finish it under 30 mins then you've an edge when playing with a team.

I'm just not patient to play solo, lose interest in wave 6-7 and got myself killed. However, I noticed better performance when playin with a team.

[ValorOfArms777]

Kiting, I'm familiar with it cause i do it even on multi team..I kit enemies to my group...and I mess with the spawns xD

I had team mate ask why I was down on teh ground level of a place...all I said was..watch your flank...

yeah he didn't watch his flank as I was triggering a respawn point so I could safely diverge the force to it for easier shooting while they had no idea of spawn cord-nation control

mos tpeople don't consider how spawns work in pattern, I have a sigh mind that aquires data in memmory of what I did to activate such...I use dto dink around with spawns allot so I could controlt he entire match in secret, though not compeltely cause I know they kill atlas when I don't want them too.. knowing full well where the next atlas will spawn...in the chances

Modifié par ValorOfArms777, 17 décembre 2012 - 08:44 .

[hfball]

He told you why he solos. You ask him why he plays Co-op. He doesn't.
That's just the label BW put on it. Does this actually need explained,
or is that a rhetorical question with no obvious conclusion attached?

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

In a PUG match, throw everything (except knowing your own limitations (and they will be pushed by lag and latency)) out the window, because good PUGgers do make it easy mode, average ones make the challenge similar to a solo or slightly easier, and bad PUGs make even Silver a difficult challenge at times.

I know you can solo the wave after they bleed out... but there is a fun in fighting near them, either to help ones that have promise or are working at it, or to laugh at the fools.

My 2c.

I agree with this. Great players getting together and stomping the AI quickly and effeciently... ok. But I'd rather play with people who need a little help. I'll usually fail if they all decide gel is too valuable to be used in a pug, but I can probably get them through 6. Sometimes people see someone try and decide they will too. That's happened a few times, anyway. Feels good to see someone step up when it was obvious they didn't care about winning at all the round before.

[Topographer]

You seem to place a lot of importance in what you are proud of, caineghis. That's fine, but you shouldn't diminish others for not being as dedicated to something they don't enjoy.

Modifié par Topographer, 17 décembre 2012 - 08:45 .

[Caineghis2500]

Stardusk wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Also the conclusions you've drawn from whether you prefer soloing or playing with teams, reminds me of horoscopes.

But you forgot to mention that Soloists may soon find themselves experiencing a great windfall, and that team players should beware of snakes in long grass.

Soloists do have a sorta edge, if they can also co-op just equally, they can alone do stuff without a hand, but if they are anti team, they might as well just stick to their soloing and keep out....

THis game IDK why the heck it even has "solo" challenges...but thats me I find the fact a mark for Solo plat. alone was kinda....wtf

 

I was mainly talking about the rather hilariously un-related things that were drawn simply from whether you prefer one play style or another. For example I could say that people who play Infiltrators tend to be shy people and that's why they like hiding, while people who play Vanguards are likely to get into bar fights because they're always getting in people's faces. :lol: It's ridiculous, gave me a good laugh, but I hope it was not meant to be taken seriously. 

As for soloists "having an edge"... soloing and playing with a team are two completely different games. In solos it's about kiting enemies around the map and being patient, in team games (at least most of mine) it's a rush to the spawns to find the groups of enemies and murder them as fast as you can. You can't really compare the two, but in my group of friends, the vast majority who can play decently in a team game could solo Gold or Platinum without too much trouble.

Your translation of soloing is offensive. Its more than kiting and patience. Too much to explain:huh:

A cada cual lo suyo, por lo tanto, no hay ninguna razón para explicar.

Where are you from? How many languages you speak?

[Eriseley]

Cyonan wrote...

Neither of them are the true master race =P

The master race has already ascended.

*glitched Mufasa-cloud Novaguard rolls in*

"Remember who you are!"

[Going Crazy]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Soloing has greatly enhanced my team game because I can easily carry a weak team if the situation demands it.

This,

[soulstriker09]

ABjerre wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...
THIS ONLY MY POINT OF VIEW. NOTHING IS WRITTEN IN STONE.

caineghis2500 wrote...
IT CANNOT BE DISPUTED.

I like your logic.

The best response i can think of is quoting Christopher Hitchens: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

What you describe as a master race of solo runners is merely a segment of the player base whom lack the appropriate social skills and the ability to handle the human factor of a game. Programs run scripted courses and running solo you will know exactly how it behaves. Adding a human team behaving unpredictably adds an X-factor which will destabilize that, making the course of the game less predictable and ultimately harder.

I speak of cause not of those who run with 3 friends, taking on Glacier/Cerb/Plat in 15min, but instead of those who venture into PUG-territory, joining a random game of deaf-mute muppets being hosted from a jungle somewhere on Borneo.

That is the true master race.

You put exactly what I thought in words. 

Come, come with me, let's play and I'll play the part of the bad random. 

[AppealToReason]

You know who the real master race is? The people who don't give a care.