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[kaileena_sands]

VectorSpace wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...


I was mainly talking about the rather hilariously un-related things that were drawn simply from whether you prefer one play style or another. For example ... people who play Vanguards are likely to get into bar fights because they're always getting in people's faces.

lol You might be on to something here Lord_Sirian. You should do a poll for people who are mainly Vanguards at heart. And even if they don't get into literal barfights, maybe they want to and Vanguarding is a way to do it?

Interesting, I always say I am a vanguard at heart (all 3 ME games as one). Maybe I should try my luck in bar fights after all. 

However, if we are going to make ridiculous assumptions, based neither on logic nor common sense, nor any shred of psychological knowledge I'd go as far as to predict people's sexual preferences on basis of their gaming preferences. Clearly all of us that prefer team games are quite evidently into orgies... while the soloers... well, they prefer going solo. 

Modifié par kaileena_sands, 17 décembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[Eriseley]

You weren't supposed to tell!

[Ziegrif]

kaileena_sands wrote...
Clearly all of us that prefer team games are quite evidently into orgies...

Allright people!
The Zombie apocalypse is nigh!
All aboard the Orgy Bus!

[HusarX]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Soloing has greatly enhanced my team game because I can easily carry a weak team if the situation demands it.

This.
Also it makes you immune to "flock mentality" that often causes "tunnel vision" (decreased situational awarness).


PS.
@OP
I can do this alone, but I like to do this with other people.

Modifié par HusarX, 17 décembre 2012 - 12:39 .

[geroni24]

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

Soloing is not the real challenge, my friend.

You know the spawns, you know yourself, you know your limitations and likely placement of enemies at any time... in a solo match all of these are true.

In a PUG match, throw everything (except knowing your own limitations (and they will be pushed by lag and latency)) out the window, because good PUGgers do make it easy mode, average ones make the challenge similar to a solo or slightly easier, and bad PUGs make even Silver a difficult challenge at times.

I know you can solo the wave after they bleed out... but there is a fun in fighting near them, either to help ones that have promise or are working at it, or to laugh at the fools.

My 2c.

wow, you just said what i thought in a way better way than i wouldve said it

[Xetto]

I have soloed abit, and it is totally lame and boring imo, this game is made for doing things in team, there is no benefit in soloing either, other than prooving to yours self you can do it. And i only needed one run for that.

[Twinkles DeVere]

Ziegrif wrote...

kaileena_sands wrote...
Clearly all of us that prefer team games are quite evidently into orgies...

Allright people!
The Zombie apocalypse is nigh!
All aboard the Orgy Bus!

*Honk Honk!* I'm in!

[Leones Maneres]

What an odd post...

OP, were you sober when you did this?

[OneTrueShot]

ABjerre wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...
THIS ONLY MY POINT OF VIEW. NOTHING IS WRITTEN IN STONE.

caineghis2500 wrote...
IT CANNOT BE DISPUTED.

I like your logic.

The best response i can think of is quoting Christopher Hitchens: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

What you describe as a master race of solo runners is merely a segment of the player base whom lack the appropriate social skills and the ability to handle the human factor of a game. Programs run scripted courses and running solo you will know exactly how it behaves. Adding a human team behaving unpredictably adds an X-factor which will destabilize that, making the course of the game less predictable and ultimately harder.

I speak of cause not of those who run with 3 friends, taking on Glacier/Cerb/Plat in 15min, but instead of those who venture into PUG-territory, joining a random game of deaf-mute muppets being hosted from a jungle somewhere on Borneo.

That is the true master race.

I think you about nailed it, and, by that logic, I will confess I am not in the master race.

I like playing with friends and friends only. I play to relax, chill out and have a laugh. Pulling teeth when bad players go down is not my idea of fun and therefore, whilst I am a team player, I don't consider myself the sort to PuG with bad players consistently - I'd rather go down and find a better team than I would solo for anyone but a good team.

Modifié par OneTrueShot, 17 décembre 2012 - 12:44 .

[geroni24]

AppealToReason wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

AppealToReason wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

AppealToReason wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

AppealToReason wrote...

You know who the real master race is? The people who don't give a care.

....

, arn't my glasses cool?

 I like my hat

Goes back to subject

 after I steal your hat and feeed it to Sirian

 Ima take that ish right back

[Ziegrif]

Twinkles DeVere wrote...

Ziegrif wrote...

kaileena_sands wrote...
Clearly all of us that prefer team games are quite evidently into orgies...

Allright people!
The Zombie apocalypse is nigh!
All aboard the Orgy Bus!

*Honk Honk!* I'm in!

Pair up according to sexual prefrence people!~
Does not matter what you like!
Those left over get into 3-somes! No being picky!
We are going to hump this Zombie apocalypse away!

(... I actually have read a manga where this basicly happens...)

Modifié par Ziegrif, 17 décembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[Caineghis2500]

Leones Maneres wrote...

What an odd post...

OP, were you sober when you did this?

I work overnight:?

[OblivionDawn]

But the basic fact of the matter is:

Whether you mostly solo or group play, your prowess in measured in how many numbskull AI can throw themselves at your walls without overpowering you.

Bottom Line: A soloer may be marginally better than a team player at dispatching these mindless AI, but that doesn't raise them to any noteworthy prestige. Successful lone wolves are only impressive in PvP.

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 17 décembre 2012 - 12:58 .

[Grammaton Dryad]

I have learned that you do not know "there" "their" and "they're" (i keed i keed)

The true master race would be team players that can solo. Those that understand the subtle tactics of how/when to help teammates and tackle the objectives, but are not dependent on the skills of others. Your stereotype of personality or whatever is partially correct, but like all sweeping generalizations, they're not even mostly true.

The lone wolf player, regardless of their skill, isn't fun to play with because they fail at helping teammates and play possibly more selfishly than self-servingly (aka refusing to use rockets to save the n00bs who are stuck in a corner being stunlocked and killed over and over).

The teamplayer is great, but it can be frustrating sometimes if they aren't skilled enough to handle the "most simple challenges" solo; it sucks if they need their hand held. They may come to revive you, but you'd rather they just kill the turret you failed to see first rather than causing you both to blow all your medigels in 10 seconds.

I find no joy in soloing (I only play co-op & multiplayer for the teamwork dynamic, its why I love Battlefield over CoD), but i know the skills and tactics required to succeed have made me a better player overall. You failed to acknowledge the benefits of team/power synergy and how quickly a well oiled team that destroy a boss or even group of enemies. And I understand your opinion is biased since you appear to be a very solo heavy player, you are correct in that soloing sharpens you, but your (assumed) arrogance and biases cloud the real answer:


The best players are both. Where Indepedent skill meets team synergy and teamwork. Those are also the most fun groups.

And more people are trying solo either because they've acquire the playtime/abilities to have conquered all other challenges and want something harder, or because of the challenge system. That's mostly it, from my observations. Perhaps some people are starting to solo because they want to get "better" but I know for me, and many others, it's because of the extrinsic reward of having it say "number of times completed: 1" on our stats. It's not because they want to be you when they grow up.

Modifié par Grammaton Dryad, 17 décembre 2012 - 01:08 .

[Stardusk]

Masochism...

[Kommandant Schaefer]

caineghis2500 wrote...

THIS ONLY MY POINT OF VIEW. NOTHING IS WRITTEN IN STONE.

Lets start with those who favor team games.

Think of it like a group of kittens snuggling together feeling the warmth of each other. They cant see themeselves doing anything without the comfort and the security that the group brings. Stepping out can be very fearful. people like that see fun as laughing and joking around with others. Im i against that? Not at all. There confidence level is predicated on how strong and cohesive the team is and not on personal skill. They are mostly outgoing and funny people with a magnetic personality that everybody loves. They love bonding with each other. Im I against that? No I dont mind a good laugh at times. Soloing makes no sense to them because it doesnt relate with they're personality therefor see it as a waste of time and pointless. They are too dependant on team cohesion to win and even to feel better about themeselves as individuals. Im I speaking for every team player? Ofcourse not.

Now for the soloers

Soloers including myself are often times misunderstood and even shunned by some team based people. We have as people would say "f**ked up sense of humor". I  We like to venture out and test our abilities to the max. We find soloing fun because well for me Im a soloist at heart. Did mostly everything in life on my own without much support. I personally find team based boring because it's un challenging as other soloers can agree.
I could even go personal and say that soloers  have experienced many rejections in life by people and gained strenght from that and learned  to do 4 oneself. Im I speaking for every soloer? No but some can agree with me. I find team games a burden even if im playing with good players. Thats why I solo.

I hope what I wrote made sense to you.

We can appear to be at times antisocial but thats not the case.

I see that many team based people are venturing out to solo.

IT CANNOT BE DISPUTED. SOLOING IS THE BEST SHARPENER. THERE IS STRENGHT IN NUMBERS BUT GREAT POWER BELONGS TO THE SOLOERS. MANY TEAM BASED PEOPLE SEE THAT AND DESIRE A PIECE OF THAT POWER.........

umm its a game...

[Baby Quarian]

I just recently got my lone wolf banner. I have to say, playing solo gold can be quite fun, and accomplishing. Where as teams can make wrecking everything fun as well.

[longgamma]

I really admire the guys who solo'd waay back in the demo and early days. Now having all those guides at our disposal, not to mention the new gear mods, it has definitely become more accesible. I mean even a scrub like me dolo'd gold thrice so far.

I really enjoy your uploads to see learn the tactics of good players. Thats that. Dont agree with your assertion. As groucho marx once said - i will not be a part if the club that accepts me as their member!

[Ziegrif]

longgamma wrote...

dolo'd gold thrice so far.

Teach me how to Dolo MYYYYYTE!!

[xTh3xBusinessx]

I agree with the OP to an extent. In alot of MMO's I play, I rather solo bosses etc than do it in a party. Still like teams but the challeng of soloing makes it that much more fun also. Now would I get into the psychological aspect? No. Thats thinking too deep into it. But soloing does show individual skill which is why I personally do it. Four people who can solo platinum on a squad and attentively getting objectives done fast? Beast squad. Just my thoughts from experience.

[Tonymac]

I think that many of the puggers I meet would be better at team play if they would get that lone wolf banner.

Many times in gold you see crapbomb players who still do not have any idea of target priority. They will shoot a guardian's shield over and over while an engineer sets up a turret behind them. They will shoot an atlas on the other side of the map while 2 phantoms and 2 dragoons roll in on them from the sides. They will shoot a pyro and ignore the hunters. They will kill the ravagers last.

These people are the ones who make life hard. Even if you just stay alive and draw off enemy fire you are better than someone who is dead. FFS

But then again these are the very players who cannot solo. They just don't get it. They never will.

[Shia Luck]

Sort of an ftfy...

Lets start with those who favour team games.

Think of it like a group of wild cats growing together through play, learning the strengths and tactics of each other. We prefer doing things with the classes and the synergy that the group brings. Stepping out of the comfort zone of "the playstyle you know you can solo with" and learning to play within a team is a growth in ability. People like this see fun as laughing and jokin around with others. Am i against that? Not at all. Our confidence and fun levels are focused on how strong and cohesive the team is, regardless of their how downplayed our personal skill level may be in our current role.

We are an outgoing and funny people with a magnetic personality that everybody loves, except the ones who aren't. We love bonding with each other tho some are shy at first. Am Iagainst that? No, I enjoy playing with funny witty capable players. Soloing makes no sense to us when our friends are online because our friends are way more fun than repeating a personal challenge that we know we can beat whenever we want. We are too interested in team cohesion and having a good time to care who gains first place in the scoreboard. Am I speaking for every team player? Of course not.

Now for the soloers

Soloers, including myself, are often times misunderstood or, in contrast, admired by some people, neither of which matter at all because we are soloing and are alone and the only person you are proving anything to is yourself. We might have, as some people might say, "a belief that, at the end of the day, there is only one person you are able to rely on: yourself".  And we might not. We like to venture out and play a different style of game to that we play in teams. We find soloing fun, because, well for me, I like to know that when my team isn't around, I still have a choice of way to play: PUG or solo. Did most everything in life on my own without any support so while I personally find team based even more fun because it's offering different challenges and more importantly,  I can joke around with my friends at the same time, I like to know I can solo whenever I want. It is about a feeling of security independent of anything/one else, as other soloers may or may not agree.

I could even go more personal and say that soloers have experienced a difficult life and gained strength from that and learning  to rely on and trust oneself is a valuable character trait. but it'd be a freakin insane statement if I didn't change that "soloers" up there, to "I". I know, I'll add a disclaimer:  Am I speaking for every soloer? No, but some might agree with me.I find team games a blast even if im playing with not very amazing players, sometimes, because I am playing with not very amazing players. Thats why I solo (and also play
and enjoy PUGs and play with my friends whenever I can.)

I hope what I wrote made sense to you.

We can appear to be, at times, one thing or another, when in fact we are, and always have been, both.


IT CANNOT BE DISPUTED. SOLOING AND PLAYING YOUR ROLE IN A TEAM SYNERGISTICALLY ARE BUT TWO DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF HAVING FUN. MANY PLAYERS SEE THAT VARIETY IS GOOD AND DESIRE A PIECE OF THAT FUN.


Have fun

EDIT: Silly formatting

Modifié par Shia Luck, 17 décembre 2012 - 02:33 .