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[Addai]

I don't know what you're talking about with "bad move" about killing the baron. I did that my first game and don't remember any particular repercussions from it. You just don't see him later. Anyway that's definitely spoiler commentary so best to let the guy play his own game without all sorts of warnings and second guessing.

Loredo is a great character. I was very impressed at his dialogues with Geralt.

[Haplose]

Fair enough, I'm sorry.

Well, the consequences to the story are not too major I guess, but there is one game aspect that becomes slightly less tedious mechanics-wise if you let him live

Modifié par Haplose, 18 décembre 2012 - 07:01 .

[Dragoonlordz]

He is well designed character, his personailty and attributes shine through well. But I still hate him because of the person he is defined as to me is nasty little man. I thought I would have words with his mother about the child she raised but she's just as nasty and crazy. The apple did not fall far from the tree in that family. They did great job on making him, he really shows that humans are monsters too but I wont go into specifics as to why I think he is nasty peice of work to avoid spoilers.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 décembre 2012 - 07:10 .

[Mr.House]

Addai67 wrote...

I don't know what you're talking about with "bad move" about killing the baron. I did that my first game and don't remember any particular repercussions from it. You just don't see him later. Anyway that's definitely spoiler commentary so best to let the guy play his own game without all sorts of warnings and second guessing.

Loredo is a great character. I was very impressed at his dialogues with Geralt.

It's because what his mother does. That could be viewed as as a bad thing depending on your stance of the Black Ones.

[Dragoonlordz]

The game does not tell you are a bad person or done a bad thing unlike Mass Effects Paragon / Renegade system, they leave that to the player to decide. There is no 'good or bad' (imho) in the game just 'different' and can be viewed good or bad by individual players differently.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 décembre 2012 - 07:14 .

[Milan92]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

He is well designed character, his personailty and attributes shine through well. But I still hate him because of the person he is defined as to me is nasty little man. I thought I would have words with his mother about the child she raised but she's just as nasty and crazy. The apple did not fall far from the tree in that family. They did great job on making him, he really shows that humans are monsters too but I wont go into specifics as to why I think he is nasty peice of work to avoid spoilers.

The same can be said for King Henselt.

[Dragoonlordz]

Milan92 wrote...

The same can be said for King Henselt.

I think can be said about a lot of humans and non humans. The game does well in not making out humans and non humans to be good vs bad. Just both have good and bad people in each. Loredo I just consider to be one of those very nasty ones.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 décembre 2012 - 07:19 .

[Milan92]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Milan92 wrote...

The same can be said for King Henselt.

I think can be said about a lot of humans and non humans. The game does well in not making out humans and non humans to be good vs bad. Just both have good and bad people in each.

Oh I agree with you on that. Its what makes the game so much fun 

[Nordicus]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I didn't like that the cats eyes potion when I played it I couldn't turn the effect off until time the effects wore off on their own.

Could be worse, it could have been Witcher 1's Blizzard potion. Constant bullet-time OUT OF COMBAT!?

[Dragoonlordz]

I know makes sense that there is no 'on and off' switch for when you wish to leave dark place and popped a cats eye potion already. Still I would of preferred could of ended it's effects early if leaving the dark place.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...
Loredo is a great character. I was very impressed at his dialogues with Geralt.

Yeah, Loredo is great in part because his character design makes him simply look like a brutish thug type guy, who you'd expect doesn't have much in the way of brains.

Sort of the same with Letho too, with the character design sort of running contrast to how his character could be perceived. I like that contrast in some of the characters in TW2.

Modifié par Brockololly, 19 décembre 2012 - 01:44 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Too many spoilers here.

[Dragoonlordz]

I don't think is much in way of spoilers, Allan has already met Loredo so can make up his own mind if he good of bad guy. I didn't spoil any story elements as far as I know except maybe that will meet a troll who I liked and advised not to kill but didn't say what happens if do so and that I didn't like Loredo's mother but again didn't say why story wise.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 18 décembre 2012 - 08:36 .

[Dave of Canada]

Woah there, calm down on the spoilers, guys.

[hangmans tree]

I think you run too much ahead with the story and characterisation.Let the man play it first...

[Obeded the 2nd]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I know makes sense that there is no 'on and off' switch for when you wish to leave dark place and popped a cats eye potion already. Still I would of preferred could of ended it's effects early if leaving the dark place.

You can by meditating. 

[slimgrin]

Sorry, I have to agree. Too many spoilers in here.

[Allan Schumacher]

Just to note, I'll keep posting updates (since people seem keen to read up on them), but I'll have to skip along the replies I think. I do agree that things are getting very close to spoilers.

Akin to when I was younger proudly proclaiming to my brother "I know a secret about <person X> that I'm not gonna tell you!" which, while the details aren't spoiled, still tells my brother that something is up with person X.

It's cryptic enough that I'm not sure who's Mother we're talking about or who this other King fellow even is, but I prefer to not have to consciously "roleplay" my Geralt in a way that I know I am consciously making a potentially subpar choice because I think that's probably how I would have chosen had I not been hinted at alternatives.

Yeah, Loredo is great in part because his character design makes him simply look like a brutish thug type guy, who you'd expect doesn't have much in the way of brains.

I do agree. I like it when a game's design takes our expectations and assumptions and flips them around on us. Loredo is a pretty well done antagonist at this point (although I'm a bit surprised the game journal indicates that we're friends, given I thought I was decidedly neutral and aloof IMO - Could just be some fluff from Dandelion).

I am a bit disappointed that buying the books seems to max out your understanding of a target immediately (they all seem to be 3/3). Although aside from reading them for hints and tactics, I don't know if it really provides any additional boosts or anything (some games give damage buffs and whatnot). Would be nice to get a quick synopsis of weaknesses though, like the first one had. Right now I'm just assuming "You don't appear to be human/elf/dwarf, so I should probably use silver sword" which wasn't always the case with TW1.

[Brockololly]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
I am a bit disappointed that buying the books seems to max out your understanding of a target immediately (they all seem to be 3/3). Although aside from reading them for hints and tactics, I don't know if it really provides any additional boosts or anything (some games give damage buffs and whatnot). Would be nice to get a quick synopsis of weaknesses though, like the first one had. Right now I'm just assuming "You don't appear to be human/elf/dwarf, so I should probably use silver sword" which wasn't always the case with TW1.

Yeah, thats the general rule I had- if you're not a elf, dwarf, human, you get the silver sword.

As I recall, I think the deal with the books is mostly that just reading them all for a given monster makes it possible to "learn"" the necessary info to complete the side quest tied to their contract. Otherwise you have to go out and kill scores of them to "learn" the same knowledge you gain by reading the 3 books on a given monster. So the books just act as a shortcut without any stat boost or anything, I think.

[Allan Schumacher]

Yeah, that's the way I was figuring as well. Although so far, it's just been 1 book = 3 levels. But rather than any sort of "power" metric, it's just 3/3 bits of information.

It's an interesting design decision, because one could argue the player benefits a lot more by not buying the book, as long as the value of time spent isn't particularly high. I suppose buying the books could be construed as a sort of "speed mode" however.

[Dragoonlordz]

Fair enough. I guess I could restrict myself to replying and discussing just the things specifically you mention if that helps it wouldn't be problem for me to do so. Or I guess I don't mind being just observer status as I'm just interested pretty much in how you feel about things noticing or doing in the game.

Regarding your latest post, I am not sure if they ever improved it (been over year since I played it) but is it still the case that it's a struggle to remember which books you already bought when buying new ones? That was issue I found in both TW1 and TW2 that I had to keep going between codex/journal and person selling books checking which ones already bought and read. Other than that I just read them out of interest instead of any advantage gives in combat.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 19 décembre 2012 - 03:00 .

[Maria Caliban]

Geralt would probably know who the King is. There are a number of times in this game where the player is less informed than the PC would be.

[Zcorck]

Allan have you been hanging out with the Blue Stripes recently? Nothing spoilery I assure you.

[Allan Schumacher]

Fair enough. I guess I could restrict myself to replying and discussing just the things specifically you mention if that helps it wouldn't be problem for me to do so. Or I guess I don't mind being just observer status as I'm just interested pretty much in how you feel about things noticing or doing in the game.

To be fair, I get the impression that you really want to talk about it which just an implicit statement to what level of enjoyment you got out of it.

Regarding your latest post, I am not sure if they ever improved it (been over year since I played it) but is it still the case that it's a struggle to remember which books you already bought when buying new ones?

TW1 had "You have already read this" and in the purchase screen, there seems to be a marker beside recipes I already own. It seems pretty clear (though I fortunately have a pretty good memory for this sort of thing.

Allan have you been hanging out with the Blue Stripes recently? Nothing spoilery I assure you.

Just Roche I suppose. The only other reference I have seen of the Blue Stripes is the Scoia'Tael group that wears their masks.

[Dragoonlordz]

Strange granted I havent't played TW1 for about year and half I can distinctly remember standing in mountain of books I had thrown away (I thought because due to being duplicates of ones already read). I don't think I bought them all just to make mountain of books (but I could be wrong).

I do recall I had trouble in TW2 when I played it last (which was prior to the large 4+ hour expansion aka enhanced edition they released) and there was no indicator that I noticed at that time telling me which I had read and which had not. So I wonder if either part of that expansion or patches since I played it they have added such indicatiors.

EDIT: I went back and looked at forums when first came out and yeh no indicators at that time in TW2. You were right according to forums though they say was present in TW1 so I guess I really did just make mountain of books for no reason in that game at that time.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:16 .