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[In Exile]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I liked Iorveth but Roche was and always will be my main man, how far are you with Iorveth?

Iorveth always felt like the natural choice for Geralt - it's where his posse is too, more or less. 

[Nashimura]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

My Geralt has pretty much softened to Saskia's perspective. He's tired of the civil war. He'll likely protect her identity. Although I suppose I should apologize for stabbing her in the mouth with my sword earlier!

Well....the girl was about to eat you.

[Obeded the 2nd]

I don't get how you're always confused by the plot, do you read any of the lore in the game?

[Allan Schumacher]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

I don't get how you're always confused by the plot, do you read any of the lore in the game?

Where did I say I found the plot confusing?



In any case, just finished up the game.  Saved Saskia, killed Letho.  The Letho situation seemed like a strange place to have a rather large information dump, but I guess if Letho is okay with chatting it up for a bit.  Was nice of him to save Triss and protect her.

Would have liked to see the Saskia resolution explored a bit more, but I suppose it's hard to keep things going after a dragon fight.


Interesting that the Northern Kingdoms appear to have been invaded from the South.  Wasn't expecting that in the post-credit video.  (EDIT: Nevermind I'm dumb.  For some reason I was thinking Nilfgaard was to the north).

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 24 décembre 2012 - 12:11 .

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

My Geralt has pretty much softened to Saskia's perspective. He's tired of the civil war.

What civil war?

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

I don't get how you're always confused by the plot, do you read any of the lore in the game?

Where did I say I found the plot confusing?



In any case, just finished up the game. Saved Saskia, killed Letho. The Letho situation seemed like a strange place to have a rather large information dump, but I guess if Letho is okay with chatting it up for a bit. Was nice of him to save Triss and protect her.

Would have liked to see the Saskia resolution explored a bit more, but I suppose it's hard to keep things going after a dragon fight.


Interesting that the Northern Kingdoms appear to have been invaded from the South. Wasn't expecting that in the post-credit video.

So Opinions? Give us your professional opinion on the game, also what did you end up doing with Stennis? As for the invasion by Nilfgaard in the post credit video I thought the whole point of Letho knocking off crowns was to create havok in the northern kingdoms softening them up for a Nilfgaard invasion?

As for the Letho information dump what did you find strange about it? Letho and Geralt were allies at one stage and dispite the fact that Geralt was trying to hunt him down I dont think Letho ever really saw Geralt as an enemy, besides part of the reason Geralt had for hunting him down was to find out what he knew about Geralt's past.

[Allan Schumacher]

So Opinions? Give us your professional opinion on the game, also what did you end up doing with Stennis? As for the invasion by Nilfgaard in the post credit video I thought the whole point of Letho knocking off crowns was to create havok in the northern kingdoms softening them up for a Nilfgaard invasion?

Errr, I'm just dumb. For some reason my internal compass had Nilfgaard being north of the Northern Kingdoms haha. Disregard that part. It makes perfect sense for Nilfgaard to invade.

I let the mob kill Stennis, in large part because he was a blatant liar. The implication with the priest was pretty damning too. But when he came out and started talking as though he was interested in justice after attempting to bribe me, I pretty much immediately went from mediator to leader of the lynch mob.

As for the Letho information dump what did you find strange about it? Letho and Geralt were allies at one stage and dispite the fact that Geralt was trying to hunt him down I dont think Letho ever really saw Geralt as an enemy, besides part of the reason Geralt had for hunting him down was to find out what he knew about Geralt's past.

Hurt the pacing of the scene IMO. Info dumps are always risky IMO. Might just be "user perception" issue, but Geralt didn't just ask about his own past, but then started to go into Letho's motivations for why he did everything he did, which I'm not sure is really necessary for the scene. Like I said though, if Letho has no issues with sitting their chatting, and Geralt wants to as well, it's not like the scene is illogical or anything.


As for "professional" opinion, well after The Witcher I think The Witcher 2 is pretty much a home run knocked out of the park. The writing was soooooooooo much better IMO. I also loved the huge huge improvements to the cinematic nature, and actually enjoyed picking apart (since I do QA cinematics tech) the creative use of many of the commonly used animations in the conversations. The one that always came back to me was the "eyes down" look that felt really natural, and the cinematic designers used to very good effect.


I love the divergent narrative. I'd love to see BioWare employ it ourselves. I find mutually exclusive choice very interesting, and I find myself exploring thoughts as to whether or not it's as risky of a business case as some may think.

Polish is much improved, although you'll probably still find me disagreeing that the need to actually show the sex actually adds much to the game, since the sex isn't really used to contribute to the intrigue like it does in something like A Game of Thrones. But if CDProjekt feels it's worth the time to add it and feels it adds to the setting (and some fans agree), then it's within their right to do it. I do feel as though they greatly improved on the objectification of the women (in that I didn't really get that feeling at all), so the most important grievance I had from the first one was resolved.


I'm not sure what to say about combat. I think I preferred the concepts of this combat better than the first game, although I think the first game's looked much better (by the end of the game) and better conveyed Geralt's effectiveness with the sword. I think it would have been interesting to open up more move variations with the swordsman tree, with those sword styles opening up the player's capabilities during the combat. As it is, I found myself only having limited control over the type of attack that Gerlat would do, which sometimes had bad consequences for me.

I liked the customization of the weapons and armor. I just like stuff like that. I didn't really get a chance to do much crafting aside from essential potions. I didn't use many diagrams at all actually. I think I may have preferred to have been able to do the crafting myself, as experimenting still cost orens and I rarely found myself with an absurd amount of orens (I actually finished the game with about 200, since I bought some hefty upgrades). Only at the very end (when I was reasonably sure it'd be a good investment) did I start to craft some things.


Both games had interesting character level ups. I actually like that the second point seemed to be a significant improvement. Would be curious to see how things would go if you could invest more than two points. Although I found the bronze/silver/gold points of the first to be a really fascinating way of gating the player. It ensures that I am versatile in the basics (allowing me to experiment with different aspects of the game), while then later allowing me to specialize in the things that I want for ultimate power. I'd like to see more of that sort of stuff come.


ANyways, it's 5 AM. I played through the game quickly because that's usually a sign that I am hooked. I will post more after Christmas as I'll be away for the next couple of days. Certainly not disappointed at all by playing the game.

What civil war?

Civil war may not be the best term, but the constant conflict between the Scoia'Tael and humans.  Since Vergen actually broke free and asserted their independence, however, I think it's not an entirely inaccurate way to describe the situation.  Even if it's more "cold war," the constant bloodshed because of the racial differences needed to stop.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 24 décembre 2012 - 12:13 .

[Dominus]

Letho has no issues with sitting their chatting, and Geralt wants to as well, it's not like the scene is illogical or anything.

I'll agree that it feels significantly longer than you'd expect - I suppose from Letho's point of view, he didn't have much to lose at that point. If Geralt wanted his head, he'd probably made up his mind by then.

The writing was soooooooooo much better IMO.

Eeeyup.

I do feel as though they greatly improved on the objectification of the women (in that I didn't really get that feeling at all), so the most important grievance I had from the first one was resolved.

While it's hardly romance relative to something you'd see from BioWare, it's more tasteful than the first.

I played through the game quickly because that's usually a sign that I am hooked.

It's definitely a game worthy of obsession.

[TobiTobsen]

May I ask why you killed Letho?

I'm always interested in another point of view, because I never saw a reason to kill him.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

I don't get how you're always confused by the plot, do you read any of the lore in the game?

Where did I say I found the plot confusing?


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Sometimes you say you don't get this or that etc.

Modifié par Obeded the 2nd, 24 décembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[Brockololly]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Would have liked to see the Saskia resolution explored a bit more, but I suppose it's hard to keep things going after a dragon fight.

Thats what I loved about playing Roche's side first and then playing Iorveth second. In my initial play of the game I had no idea who the dragon actually was, so I killed it, not thinking much of it. Then it was only on my second playthrough of the game that I realized who the dragon actually was and felt pretty bad about what I did in my first play of the game. I love that side of The Witcher 2, having certain events still play out but how you view them is different based on what information you have available to you.

Allan Schumacher wrote...
I love the divergent narrative. I'd love to see BioWare employ it ourselves. I find mutually exclusive choice very  interesting, and I find myself exploring thoughts as to whether or not  it's as risky of a business case as some may think.

Yeah, you definitely need to go through and do Roche's path now. Deals with way more of the political side of things with Henselt, who is a pretty great character, along with Roche. Gives you a better appreciation of how much CDPR did with the game too, in terms of the diverging narrative.

Modifié par Brockololly, 24 décembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Glad you liked it Allan. Now you need to play Roche's path. It adds more perspective.

[Costin_Razvan]

I also loved the huge huge improvements to the cinematic nature, and actually enjoyed picking apart (since I do QA cinematics tech) the creative use of many of the commonly used animations in the conversations. The one that always came back to me was the "eyes down" look that felt really natural, and the cinematic designers used to very good effect.

They really could do with more facial animations I IMO, not that they are bad but you do notice the reused animations.

[Addai]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In any case, just finished up the game.  Saved Saskia, killed Letho.  The Letho situation seemed like a strange place to have a rather large information dump, but I guess if Letho is okay with chatting it up for a bit.  Was nice of him to save Triss and protect her.

See, I love this part.  It telegraphs that this is a multi-dimensional antagonist and not just the big bad you run in and slay.  Being allowed to explore Letho's motivations and goals was great.  I do wish it had come earlier, maybe in the elven ruins instead of at Loc Muinne.  I don't kill him myself.

Would have liked to see the Saskia resolution explored a bit more, but I suppose it's hard to keep things going after a dragon fight.

I was hoping you could do the ritual to unsorcel her, since you find the dagger.  Still hoping that comes up at a later point.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 décembre 2012 - 06:56 .

[Allan Schumacher]

TobiTobsen wrote...

May I ask why you killed Letho?

I'm always interested in another point of view, because I never saw a reason to kill him.

He's a murderer of kings and someone that I don't trust.  Justice had to be served.

Thats what I loved about playing Roche's side first and then playing
Iorveth second. In my initial play of the game I had no idea who the
dragon actually was, so I killed it, not thinking much of it. Then it
was only on my second playthrough of the game that I realized who the
dragon actually was and felt pretty bad about what I did in my first
play of the game. I love that side of The Witcher 2, having certain
events still play out but how you view them is different based on what
information you have available to you.

Technically you're spoiling my Roche playthrough
Although I suspected I'd probably still fight the dragon anyways, (and it's past first playthrough and my level of caring is much less) it's impossible to predict what would happen in Aedirn without myself (or even Iorveth) present.

They really could do with more facial animations I IMO, not that they are bad but you do notice the reused animations.

True, but stuff like this doesn't really bother me very much.  In any game with a lot of talking, you're going to end up reusing the facial animations.

See, I love this part.  It telegraphs that this is a multi-dimensional
antagonist and not just the big bad you run in and slay.  Being allowed
to explore Letho's motivations and goals was great.  I do wish it had
come earlier, maybe in the elven ruins instead of at Loc Muinne.  I
don't kill him myself.

My issue is more with understanding his motivation for doing so.  I'm not sure why he saves Triss (aside from maybe a plot mechanic to ensure Triss survives?).  I sort of get the feeling he does so to help convince Geralt NOT to fight him.

I was hoping you could do the ritual to unsorcel her, since you find the dagger.  Still hoping that comes up at a later point.

I think you do, don't you?  Geralt takes the dagger and places it on the dragon's head, it glows, and Saskia seems to be behaving differently.  I thought it was a bit of a nice touch in that Geralt didn't trust Phillipa (as he shouldn't), while Phillipa continues to give half-truths in an attempt to play people.  This part I really liked!  Haha.

[Chromie]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
My issue is more with understanding his motivation for doing so.  I'm not sure why he saves Triss (aside from maybe a plot mechanic to ensure Triss survives?).  I sort of get the feeling he does so to help convince Geralt NOT to fight him.

I always agreed with this guy. I do think believe he think Geralt of as a friend he did protect Yennefer even though she was trouble, saving Triss even though it could anger Emhyr and ofcourse letting Geralt live in the first fight. Now I don't think Letho would have helped it conflicted with his goals but it didn't and in Triss's case he did achieve his goals of destabilizing the Northern Regions.

Blothulfurwrote...
Letho told Geralt that Triss would not be harmed if she behaved, however through the kingslayers actions the sorceress ended up being captured by the Nilfgaardians despite her cooperation with him. I think in his own strange way he figured he owed both Triss and Geralt and wanted to set matters right before the wolf and viper met in their final confrontation. 

Modifié par Skelter192, 24 décembre 2012 - 09:44 .

[palker]

Have yourself a very Witcher Christmas.

Modifié par palker, 24 décembre 2012 - 10:12 .

[palker]

btw. Did you leave de Trancaville explode in her magical contraption? I totally did.

[Addai]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
My issue is more with understanding his motivation for doing so.  I'm not sure why he saves Triss (aside from maybe a plot mechanic to ensure Triss survives?).  I sort of get the feeling he does so to help convince Geralt NOT to fight him.

Like he says, he never sees Geralt as an enemy.  If he can square things with another witcher, why not?  As for why he saves Triss, I like to think it's his way of saying the Nilfgaardians don't own him.

I think you do, don't you?  Geralt takes the dagger and places it on the dragon's head, it glows, and Saskia seems to be behaving differently.  I thought it was a bit of a nice touch in that Geralt didn't trust Phillipa (as he shouldn't), while Phillipa continues to give half-truths in an attempt to play people.  This part I really liked!  Haha.

If you don't save Triss.  i couldn't let Triss die- as I assumed might happen if I didn't go after her.

[Addai]

palker wrote...

btw. Did you leave de Trancaville explode in her magical contraption? I totally did.

I saved her.  The sorceresses are too valuable, and Sile didn't do any more or less than any of the other conniving players.

[slimgrin]

I think Letho saw no gain in raising Geralt's ire even further. He'd rather walk away, hoping Geralt will leave him be. Triss was a preemptive bargaining chip of sorts. Still, Letho is monumentally selfish. The chaos he sows just to reach his goals is inexcusable. And yet my canon run is letting the bastard live..

Modifié par slimgrin, 25 décembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[In Exile]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Hurt the pacing of the scene IMO. Info dumps are always risky IMO. Might just be "user perception" issue, but Geralt didn't just ask about his own past, but then started to go into Letho's motivations for why he did everything he did, which I'm not sure is really necessary for the scene. Like I said though, if Letho has no issues with sitting their chatting, and Geralt wants to as well, it's not like the scene is illogical or anything.

I think that's up to you. Geralt can skip the chat, chat and kill Letho, or chat and let Letho go (at least in the old ending - I hear it got touched up a lot, and I haven't played TW2 in a long time). 

So I thought he info dump made sense, because the player could always choose to skip it. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

In Exile wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Hurt the pacing of the scene IMO. Info dumps are always risky IMO. Might just be "user perception" issue, but Geralt didn't just ask about his own past, but then started to go into Letho's motivations for why he did everything he did, which I'm not sure is really necessary for the scene. Like I said though, if Letho has no issues with sitting their chatting, and Geralt wants to as well, it's not like the scene is illogical or anything.

I think that's up to you. Geralt can skip the chat, chat and kill Letho, or chat and let Letho go (at least in the old ending - I hear it got touched up a lot, and I haven't played TW2 in a long time). 

So I thought he info dump made sense, because the player could always choose to skip it. 

No the ending is the exact same in the EE, what was added are some corpses and new music, as well as new animations like Letho paying with Sile's diamond. But otherwise it's the same.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Addai67 wrote...

Like he says, he never sees Geralt as an enemy.  If he can square things with another witcher, why not?  As for why he saves Triss, I like to think it's his way of saying the Nilfgaardians don't own him.

Personally I like to think that it is because Letho still has some respect for Geralt, like he is still honoring a debt of gratitude from the time Geralt saved his life. I guess it is also why he decided to wait for Geralt in Loc Muinne rather than slip out while he was pre-occupied with the Dragon.

[Allan Schumacher]

palker wrote...

btw. Did you leave de Trancaville explode in her magical contraption? I totally did.

I actually didn't let her explode.  I was hoping to talk more and exact justice on myself, but unfortunately wasn't afforded that opportunity.  Whoops.  The one regret I had

[fchopin]

I don't kill Letho in most of my games because he helped Jennifer which has nothing to do with helping Triss.

I think we will see Jennifer in TW3 and it's because of Lethos help.