With everything that's happened in the last year alone I mean, not even taking history into account, maybe the world isn't worth saving, you know? Maybe we deserve it.
I don't know, I've just been all weird and soul searchy lately...
You ever get the feeling that maybe the world SHOULD end?
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 10:49
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People have the capacity to do wonderful things. Despite what heinous acts are committed, or what selfishness may run rampant, the potential to do some good remains - even if that "good" is something on a small scale.
I guess that personally, I would much rather try to do something to make things better in some way (or at least not make things worse) rather than say that the world isn't worth saving. There's a lot of wonder and richness out there, from the laughter of loved ones, to that freshness that comes with the season's first rain. It seems better to hope and work toward learning from history (and thus not repeating it, as the adage goes) so that others (as well as ourselves) can have those small joys.
And there's nothing "weird" about being soul-searchy, OP. Sometimes we need to weigh things out and try and make sense of it all.
I guess that personally, I would much rather try to do something to make things better in some way (or at least not make things worse) rather than say that the world isn't worth saving. There's a lot of wonder and richness out there, from the laughter of loved ones, to that freshness that comes with the season's first rain. It seems better to hope and work toward learning from history (and thus not repeating it, as the adage goes) so that others (as well as ourselves) can have those small joys.
And there's nothing "weird" about being soul-searchy, OP. Sometimes we need to weigh things out and try and make sense of it all.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 11:48
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There are days when I think it should. Then, there are days when I think it shouldn't.
For the most part, the latter happens more often than the former.
As for being "weird and soul searchy." Nothing wrong with that. It happens. Its what you take away from it that counts. Also, it tends to happen more and more as you age. An interesting phenomena that.
For the most part, the latter happens more often than the former.
As for being "weird and soul searchy." Nothing wrong with that. It happens. Its what you take away from it that counts. Also, it tends to happen more and more as you age. An interesting phenomena that.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 12:04
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The world has gotten better, objectively better, every decade of my life. What has also gotten better is the media's ability to report on, incessantly, disaster, catastrophe and woe.
The same wonderful tools that allow me to discuss roses with enthusiasts around the world also aids those who wish to trumpet misfortune. And since they have the money and desire to propagate their information, it goes everywhere.
Meanwhile, while there are more people in the world, fewer starve. For most of my life both India and China were economic basket cases, the subjects of derision and scorn. Most of the people of India and China are still poor, but almost all of them are better off than they were thirty years ago. That is two-fifths of the world's population.
There are far more literate people then there were fifty years ago. Globally, people are better housed, nourished and clothed than ever before. Even political repression has eased somewhat.
If what is troubling you is the recent shooting at the elementary school, even there things haven't really grown worse. The U.S. has regressed in our treatment of the mentally ill, but we did it for the best of intentions. Both in the U.S. and globally, mass shootings have remained fairly level. They decline over time as long as they are not publicized and spike when the media promotes them and so encourages copy cats.
Why would the media do this? Bad news of a spectacular nature, involving sympathetic victims drives ratings. Ratings brings in advertisements. Advertisements mean the opportunity for more revenue. The personnel involved even get to feel like they are doing something important as people who would otherwise ignore them start paying them attention.
That by listing the numbers of dead and wounded as a score, by obsessing over the story and by giving the malefactor's name prominence they are encouraging others to emulate him is less relevant as that occurs further down the road, is somewhat ephemeral and may never actually come about. There's an old song about it. It is still true.
/pontification
The same wonderful tools that allow me to discuss roses with enthusiasts around the world also aids those who wish to trumpet misfortune. And since they have the money and desire to propagate their information, it goes everywhere.
Meanwhile, while there are more people in the world, fewer starve. For most of my life both India and China were economic basket cases, the subjects of derision and scorn. Most of the people of India and China are still poor, but almost all of them are better off than they were thirty years ago. That is two-fifths of the world's population.
There are far more literate people then there were fifty years ago. Globally, people are better housed, nourished and clothed than ever before. Even political repression has eased somewhat.
If what is troubling you is the recent shooting at the elementary school, even there things haven't really grown worse. The U.S. has regressed in our treatment of the mentally ill, but we did it for the best of intentions. Both in the U.S. and globally, mass shootings have remained fairly level. They decline over time as long as they are not publicized and spike when the media promotes them and so encourages copy cats.
Why would the media do this? Bad news of a spectacular nature, involving sympathetic victims drives ratings. Ratings brings in advertisements. Advertisements mean the opportunity for more revenue. The personnel involved even get to feel like they are doing something important as people who would otherwise ignore them start paying them attention.
That by listing the numbers of dead and wounded as a score, by obsessing over the story and by giving the malefactor's name prominence they are encouraging others to emulate him is less relevant as that occurs further down the road, is somewhat ephemeral and may never actually come about. There's an old song about it. It is still true.
/pontification
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 12:53
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Only if considerable number of people die and I survive! In this overfilled economy there is no job for me.
Also society sucks enormously - everywhere the Media has reached its dirty hands (signals). Mature media and video games influence human psycho toward more corruption and apologists are everywhere. Seriously, how many people do you see which are more toward virtues rather than vices?
Only thing liberty has expanded and improved is fornication.
Also society sucks enormously - everywhere the Media has reached its dirty hands (signals). Mature media and video games influence human psycho toward more corruption and apologists are everywhere. Seriously, how many people do you see which are more toward virtues rather than vices?
Only thing liberty has expanded and improved is fornication.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 01:21
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I genuinely don't care either way. It's not that I'm morbid or pessimistic all the time or anything, but I just feel that if there will be Armageddon I'm not really in any position to do anything about so why worry? I'm certainly not going to become a Doomsday nut; hording my weapons and dried food packets. That's not me.
There have been times when I have stopped to think about my future children and what sort of world they will be born into. I have been profoundly moved by the idea that I am going to have explain so many bad things. How do you even begin to explain why people do the things that they do? How do you begin to explain why 26 innocent people had to die for no reason? I have thought that I would never be able to bear that weight - It is too much! And what if my child, who I nurture and love with my whole being, does something so heinous? It is... a terrifying possibilty. Small but possible.
Despite this pain there is a lot of good in the world. I will have children in the hope that I will be able to educate them about these things and perhaps they will go on to do something truly wonderful. Perhaps they can change lives and make others happy. If they do, I will know that it was worth it.
There have been times when I have stopped to think about my future children and what sort of world they will be born into. I have been profoundly moved by the idea that I am going to have explain so many bad things. How do you even begin to explain why people do the things that they do? How do you begin to explain why 26 innocent people had to die for no reason? I have thought that I would never be able to bear that weight - It is too much! And what if my child, who I nurture and love with my whole being, does something so heinous? It is... a terrifying possibilty. Small but possible.
Despite this pain there is a lot of good in the world. I will have children in the hope that I will be able to educate them about these things and perhaps they will go on to do something truly wonderful. Perhaps they can change lives and make others happy. If they do, I will know that it was worth it.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 01:23
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I am keeping my fingers crossed for 21st. It's not like there's much to do anyway.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 01:38
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Sticks and stones may break my bones, but the apocalypse will not kill me. ("\\( )/")
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 01:45
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Yeah. When my depression kicks in. But other than that, no.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 01:54
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World - when you produce the perfect RPG and perfect space sim, then and only then do you have my permission to end.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 02:19
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No, i actually don't believe it should end. Sure bad things happen but i still believe in the great people i meet every single day.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 03:26
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*ModEdit: Let's leave social-political discusson out of this topic*
Humanity in General I'ld like to see survive. But the Snow Flake Big Money Shinny coin on the floor mentality, not so much. If that means massive hardships so be it.
Humanity in General I'ld like to see survive. But the Snow Flake Big Money Shinny coin on the floor mentality, not so much. If that means massive hardships so be it.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 03:55
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RedArmyShogun wrote...
*ModEdit: Let's leave social-political discusson out of this topic*
But the Snow Flake Big Money Shinny coin on the floor mentality, not so much. If that means massive hardships so be it.
Meh, the "consumerist" model is merely a technological expression of predatory resource acquisition in the wild. It's a perfectly valid evolutionary model, and nature will eventually induce a cyclical population pattern as a result. The question is what replaces it? I'm expecting that the information age will require new economic adaptations; perhaps finally resulting in the singularity.
As for whether the world should end: the answer is that it inevitably will end.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 04:00
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By 'end of the world' are we referring to the end of humanity, or the literal obliteration of Earth?
Should humanity end? Probably. The only real skill we as humans seem to possess is the ability to ruin everything we touch.
Should humanity end? Probably. The only real skill we as humans seem to possess is the ability to ruin everything we touch.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 04:05
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The World is what you make of it. Sure, tons of bad **** goes down, some good things happen to. More often then not we as a society tend to focus on the bad side of things but that only is a part of us, it does not define us.
Do humans deserve to die/live? Truth is I don't think the universe cares as a whole, nor does it judge. But what I am finding more and more is the more harm we cause to others, that we are only ultimately hurting ourselves in the long run. But if we do end up getting wiped out, I doubt it will be because we deserve it, moreso because we were so fragile to begin with.
Just a suggestion OP, if you question whether or not the World is worth saving, why not change it into something that is worth saving instead of contemplating if we deserve to even have it in the first place?
Do humans deserve to die/live? Truth is I don't think the universe cares as a whole, nor does it judge. But what I am finding more and more is the more harm we cause to others, that we are only ultimately hurting ourselves in the long run. But if we do end up getting wiped out, I doubt it will be because we deserve it, moreso because we were so fragile to begin with.
Just a suggestion OP, if you question whether or not the World is worth saving, why not change it into something that is worth saving instead of contemplating if we deserve to even have it in the first place?
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 04:47
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Everything ends eventually.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 04:52
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Couldn't care one way or another. So long as I get to achieve my goals then I can die peacefully (so long as it's not a painful death eh? Let the world end *after* I die!).
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 05:13
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rjshae wrote...
RedArmyShogun wrote...
*ModEdit: Let's leave social-political discusson out of this topic*
Humanity in General I'ld like to see survive. But the Snow Flake Big Money Shinny coin on the floor mentality, not so much. If that means massive hardships so be it.
Meh, the "consumerist" model is merely a technological expression of predatory resource acquisition in the wild. It's a perfectly valid evolutionary model, and nature will eventually induce a cyclical population pattern as a result. The question is what replaces it? I'm expecting that the information age will require new economic adaptations; perhaps finally resulting in the singularity.
As for whether the world should end: the answer is that it inevitably will end.
Consumerism is failure to see how important are natural resources and turning them to garbage, so some can benefit and most of the people buy the cheap quality stuff every year or two.
At the end, I prefer the RedArmyShogun's attitude.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 05:49
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mousestalker wrote...
The world has gotten better, objectively better
In a way it has. However, we're still headed for disaster. The planet can't sustain our population much longer and yet people keep breeding like mad. To make matters worse, nobody's really doing much about it because there are always "bigger concerns".
I sure hope I'm wrong, but I don't really think so.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 05:56
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Hopefully not in the next month. Burger King is running a buy one get one free Whopper deal in my area right now. Be a shame to have a cataclysmic event during that sweet deal.
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 06:01
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I uses to think about it all the time, used to get me down an depress me all the things you heard or seen, what i ended up doing was throwing the TV out, media has so much to answer for all they ever really do is focus on negatives and depressive images, they really do paint humanity in a negative role but hey apparently thats the sort of media humanity wants
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Posté 17 décembre 2012 - 06:02
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Well, my local Burger King became known for having served a burger with a cockroach in it, so... Yeah.
No reason the world couldn't end there
No reason the world couldn't end there
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