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[rayvioletta]

so my mage went back to the tower, played nice and promised to kill Uldred and save the little mages so Wynne tagged along. we kicked arse, killed Uldred and then... of all the cheek, Wynne decides to take issue with how I spend my specialisation points. curiosity compels me to ignore the persuade options and instead point out that my use of blood magic saved their collective asses and that I'm a Grey Warden and therefore untouchable
right?
wrong. so I fight them all. mages, dead. templars, dead. this is interesting, certainly something different from my other playthroughs... except who's going to join my army now? the quest log insists that Uldred has not yet died, and dialogue seems to agree with that, so I go back up to the Harrowing Chamber and... lo and behold, he's alive! one dead Uldred later and... nothing's changed
so here I am, a lone Blood Mage with no tower or templars to back me against the Blight. curiosity says I should play through the other treaties anyway and see what happens, but somehow I suspect rather than do without a portion of my army, I've hit a gamebreaking bug and won't be able to advance to the Landsmeet

not too big a deal since of course I have saved games to fall back on, but disapointing that such an intriguing development is only half implemented

[MatronAdena]

can you even advance all the way through? that is to say just play on and see if it lets you without a mage tower rep? It is sorta realistic in a way that both magi, and Templar are pretty much " kill blood mages on sight" so if your a bloodmage and they attack......well that was their own damn fault...



do you really wan soldiers in your army dumb enough to think they could stand against you?



I personally have never used the mages in my previous 4 plays, but Im interested to see if the game will even progress at all without the circle...

[Ryngard]

Umm... being a Blood Mage is NEVER acceptable. It is EVIL. Demonic. And always ends in catastrophy.



Now if it is a game breaking bug that SUCKS. However, if it is just the result then I think you got what you deserve (no support from the tower) for being a Blood Mage.

[Sabriana]

I never use the blood mage specialization myself, but isn't it possible to make Wynne a blood mage? I always thought it was. That's pretty inconsistent then, especially because it is mentioned that the GW are not at all against using blood magic to attain their goal of ending a Blight.

I hope it's not a bug that broke your game, but if it isn't, and you decide to continue on, please post your results. I find that quite interesting.

[rayvioletta]

my quest log finally updated, it now recognises that Uldred is dead and that I shall recieve no help from Templars or mages in the finale. now I can't wait to see what options I have for the epilogue



and poor, poor Dagna

[robertthebard]

rayvioletta wrote...

my quest log finally updated, it now recognises that Uldred is dead and that I shall recieve no help from Templars or mages in the finale. now I can't wait to see what options I have for the epilogue

and poor, poor Dagna

Yipe.  Of all of them, it's going to hit her hardest.  Now I simply have to try this.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Yay thanks for doing this I wrote a topic asking a while ago if anyone had tried it as I read it was possible in the game guide...

But yeah... poor dagna... having said that, if she goes to help greagoir rebuild when no mages left,I wonder if she go on her own?

Either way thanks for the confirmation, my evil mage is going to love destroying the towe

Edit: Oh yeah one other thing, who ever said you couldn't do anything downright evil in this game

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 06 janvier 2010 - 05:36 .

[bas273]

Ryngard wrote...

Umm... being a Blood Mage is NEVER acceptable. It is EVIL. Demonic. And always ends in catastrophy.

Now if it is a game breaking bug that SUCKS. However, if it is just the result then I think you got what you deserve (no support from the tower) for being a Blood Mage.

Duncan himself said it is "something to consider" as a Grey Warden.

That's why they're called Grey Wardens. They must do whatever it takes to stop a Blight. Blood Magic = more power = easier to take down the Archdemon.

Siding with the Werewolves and killing all the Dalish Elves might be considered as evil by some people but IMO it is the right thing to do as a Grey Warden (Werewolves are more useful than the Elves).

And the whole quest for the Urn of Sacred Ashes is a waste of time. Sure, Arl Eamon might be useful during the Landsmeet but as Morrigan suggests, it is probably better to kill Loghain right away.

Modifié par bas273, 06 janvier 2010 - 05:47 .

[Wardka]

Ryngard wrote...

Umm... being a Blood Mage is NEVER acceptable. It is EVIL. Demonic. And always ends in catastrophy.

Pffft, Chantry propaganda. Being a Blood Mage isn't evil. It's dangerous, certainly. It makes you more prone to corruption, definitely. But in the end, as with any amount of power, it's how you use it that matters.

[rayvioletta]

the ironic thing is, this was supposed to be a good character...
the really ironic thing is that even my most evil of characters haven't had the heart to be mean to Dagna...
um... oops

well, I'm off to Orz now to give her the bad news and see what happens

Modifié par rayvioletta, 06 janvier 2010 - 05:56 .

[Kohaku]

rayvioletta wrote...

the ironic thing is, this was supposed to be a good character...
the really ironic thing is that even my most evil of characters haven't had the heart to be mean to Dagna...
um... oops

well, I'm off to Orz now to give her the bad news and see what happens

She really is just too sweet. I get excited hearing her talk about the tower and I know I wouldn't want to get stuck in there.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

I find it funny how they make a big fuss about blood magic but none of the spells surrounding death magic and other life draining spells.

My mage that am going to do this with will probably only take the first spell from blood magic, the rest is going to be mostly in arcane warrior, spirit and entropy spell schools ie. most of the death magic stuff.

I'll go into the chantry with Morrigan and possibly Oghren.

I wonder what the epilogue text box will be like if you destroy the circle in this manner?

Which reminds me... does this mean we can also kill Cullen and the Quartermaster?

Just when they thought they were safe... muhahahaha

Oooh i can't wait to do this playthrough

Edit: Last playthrough, sided with the templars, killed the mages, spoke to greagoir he refused to let Dagna come, went to Orz to tell her the bad news, she decided she was going to go anyway, sure enough went back to the tower and she was there...
Dagna "The circle tower is amazing! Thank you so much for making this possible!"
My thought when she said this in this instance "But err... I didn't... err... whatever"

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 06 janvier 2010 - 06:07 .

[Creature 1]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
I find it funny how they make a big fuss about blood magic but none of the spells surrounding death magic and other life draining spells.

That's because you have to make a pact with a demon in order to get blood magic.  All the rest of the horrible things you can do with magic come naturally. 

Making pacts with demons often leads to becoming an abomination, and blood magic allows mind control (which can be extended long-term as long as you don't mind burning through peasants at an amazing rate).  That's why it is feared and abhorred. 

[Joshd21]

Ryngard wrote...

Umm... being a Blood Mage is NEVER acceptable. It is EVIL. Demonic. And always ends in catastrophy.

Now if it is a game breaking bug that SUCKS. However, if it is just the result then I think you got what you deserve (no support from the tower) for being a Blood Mage.

So, I should have to sit in the circle with my Mage being watched by the templars, forbidden to use my raw full poential because they are scared what I might do with it? perhaps I will become more powerfull then them, they fear that because they fear something out of their control.

Using Blood Magic in a reckless way, without any experience or training can certaintly have it's bad outcomes. Using it in a way in a manner that is acceptable..is the best way. With all Magic, good or bad..there can be bad outcomes. Blood Magic is simply more powerfull magic and people like Jowan who use it without much experience.

Make rest of Blood mages look bad.

It's interesting though I never played without the circle of Magi help. Besides the elf's they are only ones with ranged attacks, though few in numbers even a few magi can open up a can of you know what.

[rayvioletta]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Which reminds me... does this mean we can also kill Cullen and the Quartermaster?

Just when they thought they were safe... muhahahaha

it does indeed.
I'm not sure if Wynne has to actually witness you casting a blood magic spell or not, so make sure to cast one just in case

[rayvioletta]

the bad news, there's no option to tell Dagna that there's nobody at the Tower to deliver her request to

the worse news, despite the quest log acknowledging that neither mages nor templars will aid me, having now completed the other treaty sections Eamon still refuses to call the Landsmeet until I gather my allies



'twould seem the game is broken after all

[Cybercat999]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
My mage that am going to do this with will probably only take the first spell from blood magic, the rest is going to be mostly in arcane warrior, spirit and entropy spell schools ie. most of the death magic stuff.

Erm, a little offtopic, I take BM for Blood Wound, its one of the best mass CC spells imo.

[errant_knight]

Wardka wrote...

Ryngard wrote...

Umm... being a Blood Mage is NEVER acceptable. It is EVIL. Demonic. And always ends in catastrophy.

Pffft, Chantry propaganda. Being a Blood Mage isn't evil. It's dangerous, certainly. It makes you more prone to corruption, definitely. But in the end, as with any amount of power, it's how you use it that matters.

Isn't blood magic based on blood sacrifice? They may not show that, but it's implied that it's what you're doing, so...evil. Duncan says it's something to consider, but not that all Grey Wardens find it acceptable. Alistair certainly doesn't. To say that all Grey Wardens find it acceptable would be limiting to game play, I think. I know my PC doesn't.

[Herr Uhl]

errant_knight wrote...
Isn't blood magic based on blood sacrifice? They may not show that, but it's implied that it's what you're doing, so...evil. Duncan says it's something to consider, but not that all Grey Wardens find it acceptable. Alistair certainly doesn't. To say that all Grey Wardens find it acceptable would be limiting to game play, I think. I know my PC doesn't.

Isn't going into a melee expecting to be cut evil as well in that case? Merely using your own blood does not make anything evil.

[Cybercat999]

errant_knight wrote...
Isn't blood magic based on blood sacrifice? They may not show that, but it's implied that it's what you're doing, so...evil. Duncan says it's something to consider, but not that all Grey Wardens find it acceptable. Alistair certainly doesn't. To say that all Grey Wardens find it acceptable would be limiting to game play, I think. I know my PC doesn't.

Alistair is a failed combination of templar and GW, what do you expect from *almost* templar?
I would bet whatever you want that if Jowan didnt run away about 3 minutes before Duncan walked in, he would snatch him right away along with my PC in mage origin.

[Jaldecir]

errant_knight wrote...

Isn't blood magic based on blood sacrifice? They may not show that, but it's implied that it's what you're doing, so...evil. Duncan says it's something to consider, but not that all Grey Wardens find it acceptable. Alistair certainly doesn't. To say that all Grey Wardens find it acceptable would be limiting to game play, I think. I know my PC doesn't.

Why is it "evil" to use your own blood to cast magic? And somehow it's not evil to chop people's head off. The logic just doesn't work.

Personally, it might be more "evil" for Wynne to use the spirit like that than using your own blood to cast magic.

[Creature 1]

Jaldecir wrote...
Why is it "evil" to use your own blood to cast magic? And somehow it's not evil to chop people's head off. The logic just doesn't work.

What I said above. 

• Blood magic requires dealing with demons.  Pacts with demons often lead to abominations.  Abominations are very scary.

• Blood magic allows mind control.  People don't like having their minds controlled. 

[ejoslin]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

rayvioletta wrote...

the ironic thing is, this was supposed to be a good character...
the really ironic thing is that even my most evil of characters haven't had the heart to be mean to Dagna...
um... oops

well, I'm off to Orz now to give her the bad news and see what happens

She really is just too sweet. I get excited hearing her talk about the tower and I know I wouldn't want to get stuck in there.

Ugh, I always avoid Dagna because I don't want the chantry doing an exalted march on Orzammar.  Whenever you mess with their beliefs, it ends up badly.  I felt so guilty about all I did my first play through.

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...

Ugh, I always avoid Dagna because I don't want the chantry doing an exalted march on Orzammar.  Whenever you mess with their beliefs, it ends up badly.  I felt so guilty about all I did my first play through.

Isn't that caused by helping brother Burkel?