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[M Hedonist]

Btw, to make at least one on-topic post: Nope, Bioware ultimately decides what they do.
But it would've been interesting if you had actually made a poll where people could choose which one of these six they would prefer for the next ME.

[Sanunes]

BioWare has been saying since at least Mass Effect 2 that Shepard's story will end with Mass Effect 3 and with all the backlash against them with "broken promises" in Mass Effect 3 this would be the cause of yet more "BioWare is the worst developer..." threads, for this is something they have been saying for years.

Besides my personal opinion is the series needs a change just so it doesn't become stale and then they release "another Mass Effect game" for I feel that way about Assassin's Creed 3, been there played that and I can wait until I get the game discounted.

[David7204]

Dear God, no.

[Uncle Jo]

Seival wrote...

(1) ME3 has less flaws than any game ever developed.
(2) Shepard's story is over. Community has to deal with it.

1) LOL.
2) Surprisingly, I agree with you.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 17 décembre 2012 - 02:07 .

[David7204]

If we consider Mass Effect to have more flaws than other games, it's only because Mass Effect sets the bar much higher than anything else. Other games are full of content that would be utterly eviscerated if it was in Mass Effect. Hence the outrage over the endings in the first place.

Modifié par David7204, 17 décembre 2012 - 02:10 .

[mcgreggers99]

They have stated over and over that this is it for Shepard. even before the game launched we were told that this was the end of the line. Why do people still have a hard time accepting this?

I'm excited to see what they come up with. A change could be very healthy for this franchise. Besides I really don't want to keep playing Shep and eventually have to escape from the nursing home to stop the reapers in Mass Effect 12.

[Dragoonlordz]

David7204 wrote...

If we consider Mass Effect to have more flaws than other games, it's only because Mass Effect sets the bar much higher than anything else. Other games are full of content that would be utterly eviscerated if it was in Mass Effect. Hence the outrage over the endings in the first place.

I personally prefer a vast amount of games during past 30 years over ME series. So they did not set the bar especially high for me personally but ME is still a very good series of games in itself.

Edit: On topic, Shepard should not be back in ME4 (imho) and going by answers in this thread seems a lot of people from this fanbase disagree about having him or her back OP.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 décembre 2012 - 02:15 .

[Pedrak]

I'm waiting for, say, 2020, when Commander Jones, or Smith, or Watson, or whatever, will be the object of an absurd amount of hero-worshipping and people will whine that his story ends in ME6 and that ME7 will have a new PC.

Modifié par Pedrak, 17 décembre 2012 - 02:13 .

[David7204]

It isn't hero-warship. Fans liking characters is a great thing.

[M Hedonist]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

So Shepard's story is over because Bioware said it was or because 2 out of the 3 endings said it was????

Having a canon Shepard is the worst thing Bioware could do for the next game. The more detailed a protagonist's background is in an RPG, the worse. Because, for anyone who prefers any of the other endings, Destroy!Shepard would essentially be a new protagonist, different than the one they already know.
And how would that work, anyway? Would ME4 just override your ending decision from ME3 and automatically assume you chose Destroy? That would be awful.

Modifié par Sauruz, 17 décembre 2012 - 02:15 .

[David7204]

What choice do they have? It's not like every other RPG in existence doesn't do the same thing with sequels.

[chidingewe8036]

so what if Shepard DOES return along with his team and allies in ME4? Are you guys who want a fresh start not going to buy it because he is back and Bioware changed their minds????

[David7204]

I'll buy it no matter what. It's never been a question of money.

[Pedrak]

David7204 wrote...

It isn't hero-warship. Fans liking characters is a great thing.

Fans claiming they wouldn't play another ME game, regardless of its quality, if it didn't feature Shepard (and there are plenty), strikes me as a form of worshipping / obsession for the character. Nothing wrong with that, I guess, but it goes beyond merely "liking" a character.

[M Hedonist]

David7204 wrote...

What choice do they have? It's not like every other RPG in existence doesn't do the same thing with sequels.

Most of the RPGs I know that have sequels start the sequel with a new protagonist, if they have a canon ending for the original game. That's far better than having a sequel with a canon protagonist.

[chidingewe8036]

Sauruz wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

So Shepard's story is over because Bioware said it was or because 2 out of the 3 endings said it was????

Having a canon Shepard is the worst thing Bioware could do for the next game. The more detailed a protagonist's background is in an RPG, the worse. Because, for anyone who prefers any of the other endings, Destroy!Shepard would essentially be a new protagonist, different than the one they already know.
And how would that work, anyway? Would ME4 just override your ending decision from ME3 and automatically assume you chose Destroy? That would be awful.

yup..........he could have died in ME2 as well............what if someone wanted to end Shepard's story there?????

[GreyLycanTrope]

We won't. Shepard's story is done. In fact I wanted it to conclude, there's always been more to the universe than Shepard and the Reapers. Not that I'm getting ME4 mind you, just my 2 cents.

[Dragoonlordz]

It is a matter of preference. I prefer a new protaganist in the next game. You apparently prefer same one as last three games. What you got wrong however is the premise of your thread where you make wrong assumption that you get to decide which will be. Bioware decides that not this fanbase, whether matches your preference, whether you buy it thats down to you OP.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 décembre 2012 - 02:24 .

[Pedrak]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

so what if Shepard DOES return along with his team and allies in ME4? Are you guys who want a fresh start not going to buy it because he is back and Bioware changed their minds????

If the game gets good reviews and word-of-mouth, I'd buy it, why not? Just as I would buy DA:I if it featured Hawke as a PC. Just as I watch TV series or read books even when some subplots bore me or some characters I find trite: the overall enjoyment can balance out the mistakes.
A ME4 with Shepard, Garrus, Liara etc. would still strike me as a poor idea and, narratively, very lazy, but I'm no fanatic: it could still be enjoyable in spite of everything.

Modifié par Pedrak, 17 décembre 2012 - 02:25 .

[M Hedonist]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

So Shepard's story is over because Bioware said it was or because 2 out of the 3 endings said it was????

Having a canon Shepard is the worst thing Bioware could do for the next game. The more detailed a protagonist's background is in an RPG, the worse. Because, for anyone who prefers any of the other endings, Destroy!Shepard would essentially be a new protagonist, different than the one they already know.
And how would that work, anyway? Would ME4 just override your ending decision from ME3 and automatically assume you chose Destroy? That would be awful.

yup..........he could have died in ME2 as well............what if someone wanted to end Shepard's story there?????

There's a huge difference. In ME3, you consciously choose which ending you want, and you already pretty much know what happens to your Shepard. You don't get that chance in ME2, unless you meta-game.

[chidingewe8036]

Everyone seems to overlook Shepard's death in the suicide mission if ME4 brings back Shepard the same will be for Shepard's ME3 death. If ME4 brings Shepard back and gives us all the allies and romances we want onboard the normandy who would give a crap about how ME3 ended???

[David7204]

Most (all) RPGs either canonize the actions of the previous protagonist or disregard them entirely. So Destroy-Shepard would still exist, in a sense, even if we don't personally play him.

[M Hedonist]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Everyone seems to overlook Shepard's death in the suicide mission if ME4 brings back Shepard the same will be for Shepard's ME3 death. If ME4 brings Shepard back and gives us all the allies and romances we want onboard the normandy who would give a crap about how ME3 ended???

I would very much give a crap if I'm forced to play a protagonist who commited genocide in the past.

[Ironhandjustice]

David7204 wrote...

No it won't. Look, the fanbase is stupid. 99% of suggestions I've seen here would make the game worse.

The other 1% are by far more brilliant than bioware. Only have to take a look to the mods.

"We don't want you to mod the game. We will make it impossible"
"Hey, look to my mod!. There is a modding guide as well!!!"
"Dammit!"

[Pedrak]

Shep's death in ME2 was basically a non-standard game over because the final mission was poorly handled by the player.
In ME3, it was a conscious sacrifice ending a narrative arc.
Do people seriously not see the difference between the two?