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[I Am Robot]

crimzontearz wrote...

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

Diurdi wrote...

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

ME3 has more flaws than it has good qualities 

From a technical prespective that is certainly not true. Mass Effect 3 was the highest rated game of 2012.

According to whom? The fans or game reviewers? The last couple years have proven that the vast majority of professional game reviewers are nothing but useless biomass that should be recycled for fertilizer.

 

So you're saying professional game reviews are not valid and there is nothing to measure the quality of games against? 

dude just as an example IGN gave halo 4 9.8 and Skyrim 9.5

now, I am a huge halo fan but come the **** on

1. The preferences of the reviewer does affect the review so there isn't a set list of factors that determine a game's score. 
2. I'm not specifically talking about IGN, but just becasue some sites are biased doesn't mean we dismiss all of them.

[crimzontearz]

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

Diurdi wrote...

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

ME3 has more flaws than it has good qualities 

From a technical prespective that is certainly not true. Mass Effect 3 was the highest rated game of 2012.

According to whom? The fans or game reviewers? The last couple years have proven that the vast majority of professional game reviewers are nothing but useless biomass that should be recycled for fertilizer.

 

So you're saying professional game reviews are not valid and there is nothing to measure the quality of games against? 

dude just as an example IGN gave halo 4 9.8 and Skyrim 9.5

now, I am a huge halo fan but come the **** on

1. The preferences of the reviewer does affect the review so there isn't a set list of factors that determine a game's score. 
2. I'm not specifically talking about IGN, but just becasue some sites are biased doesn't mean we dismiss all of them.

we do not but they need to be taken ****** grano salis

and lately a lot of the reviewers are suspiciously oblivious to some of the most glaring flaws of he high profile titles

[jtav]

Professional reviewers could care less if Shepard lives or the romance is good. They tend to review based on graphics, gameplay, etc. They also play once when they finish at all. Their concerns simply aren't the same as a hardcore fan's.

[UrgentArchengel]

As long as my Shepard (who is still alive) has a presence or even an apperance, then I honestly don't care that much.

[crimzontearz]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

As long as my Shepard (who is still alive) has a presence or even an apperance, then I honestly don't care that much.

lol....sorry that would be confirming he is alive and thus not artistic enough

[Capt. Pancake]

I hope they don't follow MOST fanbased ideas, they do just out right suck. The ME universe revolves around Shepard. NO Shepard no ME unless we get a spin off, you can quote all the devs. all you want but I'm certain they didn't leave the ending that way by accident. So many are so short minded. Even if I'M wrong, I certainly think ME4 will be a game worth playing. So many forget it's a FN' game get a life.

[HK-90210]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Umm...no. Bioware will do what Bioware thinks is best, regardless of fanbase wants. They will, however, take some EA deadlines, of course.

Bioware will do what Bioware thinks is best, regardless of fanbase wants????? Then their sales will reflect this which will effect it's creators and this particular franchise.

Yes, that is true. Question is, will they gain more of a fanbase than they lose?

Nothing that Bioware has said or done since the EC has led me to believe they have any intention of listening to what their fans want. They'll take their fanbase's feedback and if what they want ot happen coinsides with what their fanbase wants, that's great. But in the end, they'll do what they want to do.

[Kia Purity]

How about no Mass Effect 4?

Or even better, if there must be Mass Effect 4, THERE SHOULD BE NO Hudson and Walters to screw up the game?

It's just lkaxjfdlkjfd I don't even want another Mass Effect 4 if they won't actually address the problems with ME3. (Last I checked it was still, "We didn't expect the fans to feel strongly"... instead of "****. We really screwed up. Our apologies.")

[crimzontearz]

First question to ask in ANY Q/A about ME4 should be "why should we get invested in this new series if there is the chance you are going to screw us over in the end and just happily kick us in the nads because, you know, it is artistic?

[Heimdall]

Kia Purity wrote...

How about no Mass Effect 4?

Or even better, if there must be Mass Effect 4, THERE SHOULD BE NO Hudson and Walters to screw up the game?

It's just lkaxjfdlkjfd I don't even want another Mass Effect 4 if they won't actually address the problems with ME3. (Last I checked it was still, "We didn't expect the fans to feel strongly"... instead of "****. We really screwed up. Our apologies.")

It would be illogical for them to apologize.  Telling the world that their game is flawed could only have a negative impact on sales.  They have no incentive to do so, as a business reliant on making money to stay in business and continue making games they actually have an incentive not to be too self deprecating.  Added to that, the fans disagree on many points of what was wrong with Mass Effect 3 and why they were wrong.

If you want Bioware to apologize for making a game you didn't like, that's your prerogative.  The expectation that they will come out and publically decry themselves is ridiculous however.

[crimzontearz]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

How about no Mass Effect 4?

Or even better, if there must be Mass Effect 4, THERE SHOULD BE NO Hudson and Walters to screw up the game?

It's just lkaxjfdlkjfd I don't even want another Mass Effect 4 if they won't actually address the problems with ME3. (Last I checked it was still, "We didn't expect the fans to feel strongly"... instead of "****. We really screwed up. Our apologies.")

It would be illogical for them to apologize.  Telling the world that their game is flawed could only have a negative impact on sales.  They have no incentive to do so, as a business reliant on making money to stay in business and continue making games they actually have an incentive not to be too self deprecating.  Added to that, the fans disagree on many points of what was wrong with Mass Effect 3 and why they were wrong.

If you want Bioware to apologize for making a game you didn't like, that's your prerogative.  The expectation that they will come out and publically decry themselves is ridiculous however.

funny, I got a direct apology from a dev.

[TheProtheans]

Seival wrote...

(1) ME3 has less flaws than any game ever developed.
(2) Shepard's story is over. Community has to deal with it.

(1) Lol
(2) Even the game tells us Shepard has one more story

[Eclipse merc]

Seival wrote...

(1) ME3 has less flaws than any game ever developed.
(2) Shepard's story is over. Community has to deal with it.

Any game ever? wat?
Agree with the second one

Modifié par Eclipse merc, 18 décembre 2012 - 03:50 .

[Massa FX]

My heart votes: Yes!
My head votes: No!

[Heimdall]

crimzontearz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
It would be illogical for them to apologize.  Telling the world that their game is flawed could only have a negative impact on sales.  They have no incentive to do so, as a business reliant on making money to stay in business and continue making games they actually have an incentive not to be too self deprecating.  Added to that, the fans disagree on many points of what was wrong with Mass Effect 3 and why they were wrong.

If you want Bioware to apologize for making a game you didn't like, that's your prerogative.  The expectation that they will come out and publically decry themselves is ridiculous however.

funny, I got a direct apology from a dev.

For what?

[crimzontearz]

Lord Aesir wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
It would be illogical for them to apologize.  Telling the world that their game is flawed could only have a negative impact on sales.  They have no incentive to do so, as a business reliant on making money to stay in business and continue making games they actually have an incentive not to be too self deprecating.  Added to that, the fans disagree on many points of what was wrong with Mass Effect 3 and why they were wrong.

If you want Bioware to apologize for making a game you didn't like, that's your prerogative.  The expectation that they will come out and publically decry themselves is ridiculous however.

funny, I got a direct apology from a dev.

For what?

the lies about MP not being needed to get the full range of endings


 
He apologized where all other devs just ignored it


 
Also, Bioware tried to apologize about the ending but it was very VERY back handed. Juat like the statements about the fact no one at bioware after playing the game thought the ending was bad

[Heimdall]

crimzontearz wrote...

the lies about MP not being needed to get the full range of endings


 
He apologized where all other devs just ignored it


 
Also, Bioware tried to apologize about the ending but it was very VERY back handed. Juat like the statements about the fact no one at bioware after playing the game thought the ending was bad

I was talking about a public official apology like the poster I initially quoted seemed to want.  One dev doing it really just proves my point.

[C9316]

Please no Mass Effect 4..

[darkway1]

I think we are all beyond words of apologies or regret........actions speak louder than words and from what I've experienced from playing Bioware's SWTOR ,they have successfully implementing to worst FTP system in history,money seems to the priority,not the game,not the franchise,not the customer.

I think Bioware needs to prove they listen to their consumer base and the only realistic way to do this is via it's new releases,Dragon age 3 will be the true test,if it's arcade orientated,with bare bones character development,weak story and structured to require DLC on all levels then you pretty much know that Bioware has changed permanently....for the worst.

[crimzontearz]

It does not, it only goes to show you they have little integrity, other companies publicly apologized before Bioware could too and their fans would just eat it up especially with a minimum effort to fix the basic problems with the most popular ending

[darkway1]

Bioware will never apologise or show any regret.......and this highlights the main issue........they don't seem to be aware they they have done anything wrong......the ending was as intended....fan reaction took them by surprise,there's nothing to apologise for..........it's the fan that's the problem,it's the fan who can't deal with it,who's the whiner,who's demanding,who are to thick to understand the ending......go figure.

Modifié par darkway1, 18 décembre 2012 - 04:21 .

[Heimdall]

crimzontearz wrote...

It does not, it only goes to show you they have little integrity, other companies publicly apologized before Bioware could too and their fans would just eat it up especially with a minimum effort to fix the basic problems with the most popular ending

For example?

You seem to want Bioware to publically say they screwed up as if the issues were not subjective and divisive in the fan base, as if they were universally accepted, and then cater to a subjectively preferred ending by one portion of that fan base.

they already fixed the universally accepted issue with the multiplayer tethered endings, beyond that you get people not liking the endings for a 101 different reasons, many fans were appeased by the EC.  It seems to me they've already put in as much effort as they can without entirely restructuring the whole ending sequence, a distinctly non trivial undertaking.

Not coming out and saying "We suck and are sorry we didn't make a game you liked" isn't a lack of integrity.  It's just a reasonable business decision.  

[crimzontearz]

Lord Aesir wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

It does not, it only goes to show you they have little integrity, other companies publicly apologized before Bioware could too and their fans would just eat it up especially with a minimum effort to fix the basic problems with the most popular ending

For example?

You seem to want Bioware to publically say they screwed up as if the issues were not subjective and divisive in the fan base, as if they were universally accepted, and then cater to a subjectively preferred ending by one portion of that fan base.

they already fixed the universally accepted issue with the multiplayer tethered endings, beyond that you get people not liking the endings for a 101 different reasons, many fans were appeased by the EC.  It seems to me they've already put in as much effort as they can without entirely restructuring the whole ending sequence, a distinctly non trivial undertaking.

Not coming out and saying "We suck and are sorry we didn't make a game you liked" isn't a lack of integrity.  It's just a reasonable business decision.  

addressed? Yes...acknowledged the lie? Nope


 
Also, YOUR ending may have been fixed, mine has not and apparently even word of god is too much to ask (thank you Tuly + Elper, thank you very much).


 
I do not think I, personally, am asking much

[darkway1]

The ending of Mass3 didn't fit......from the moment Shepard ventured into the transport beam....it just plain didn't fit.......rushed,unfinished and wrapped up with the classic red,green,blue finale......it's not about an ending fan's didn't agree with,it was plain pathetic,an unfitting ending to a polished franchise..............an honest company with basic integrity would at least acknowledged the ending wasn't exactly their best work......instead fans who protest are brushed off as whiners and the company hides behind artistic integrity.......sorry but that ain't right.

[Kia Purity]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

How about no Mass Effect 4?

Or even better, if there must be Mass Effect 4, THERE SHOULD BE NO Hudson and Walters to screw up the game?

It's just lkaxjfdlkjfd I don't even want another Mass Effect 4 if they won't actually address the problems with ME3. (Last I checked it was still, "We didn't expect the fans to feel strongly"... instead of "****. We really screwed up. Our apologies.")

It would be illogical for them to apologize.  Telling the world that their game is flawed could only have a negative impact on sales.  They have no incentive to do so, as a business reliant on making money to stay in business and continue making games they actually have an incentive not to be too self deprecating.  Added to that, the fans disagree on many points of what was wrong with Mass Effect 3 and why they were wrong.

If you want Bioware to apologize for making a game you didn't like, that's your prerogative.  The expectation that they will come out and publically decry themselves is ridiculous however.

A SWING AND A MISS.

No, really, all I wanted for them to apologize for having screwed up in regrads to the whole thing-- all the promises and the hype that they CAUSED. Then all the little stuff like not inviting back certain VA's (who had said that they would be MORE than happy to come back), face import bug being reported and being still BROKEN to this day, and the hilarious comment on the subject of face import "Oh, just make a new Shepard" nevermind that most of us wanted to finish Shepard's story expecting A LOT from Bioware becauase Bioware has shown themselves to be pretty damn good, right?

They obviously fell flat on their face with bugs in the game and the fact that some of the devs outright insulted people. That's not fair to everyone; fans and devs included.

But you know what? It's way too late fo apologizes. They keep retreating behind "Artistic Integrety" excuse so many times I might as well have alcoholic poisoning by now.

However, I have NOT completely given up on Bioware as whole, just the Mass Effect team can't be trusted as long as Hudson is going "I AM ZE ARTIST, YOU HAAAAAAAATERS."