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[shepskisaac]

Kia Purity wrote...

How about no Mass Effect 4?

Or even better, if there must be Mass Effect 4, THERE SHOULD BE NO Hudson and Walters to screw up the game?

It's just lkaxjfdlkjfd I don't even want another Mass Effect 4 if they won't actually address the problems with ME3. (Last I checked it was still, "We didn't expect the fans to feel strongly"... instead of "****. We really screwed up. Our apologies.")

But Casey Hudson is responsible for KOTOR, ME1 & ME2 and Mac Walters for ME2. One mistake and they're out? Especially Casey who has a long great track record. People sure have short memory

[crimzontearz]

lol well, that would be because the developers themselves were not ALLOWED to play with their imported Shepard until release day

[crimzontearz]

IsaacShep wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

How about no Mass Effect 4?

Or even better, if there must be Mass Effect 4, THERE SHOULD BE NO Hudson and Walters to screw up the game?

It's just lkaxjfdlkjfd I don't even want another Mass Effect 4 if they won't actually address the problems with ME3. (Last I checked it was still, "We didn't expect the fans to feel strongly"... instead of "****. We really screwed up. Our apologies.")

But Casey Hudson is responsible for KOTOR, ME1 & ME2 and Mac Walters for ME2. One mistake and they're out? Especially Casey who has a long great track record. People sure have short memory

Yes...especially after how they handled it all ceiledly calling fans dumb

[HTTP 404]

those are some of the worst choices ever...

also imagine if bioware made a game based solely on what the fanbase "wants"

[spirosz]

IsaacShep wrote...

 People sure have short memory

*Selective memory* tbh. 

[Kia Purity]

IsaacShep wrote...
But Casey Hudson is responsible for KOTOR, ME1 & ME2 and Mac Walters for ME2. One mistake and they're out? Especially Casey who has a long great track record. People sure have short memory

It's just that I wouldn't have been so upset if Casey wasn't all "OMG YOU GUISES DIDN'T GET IT. IT'S ART!" And that made me go "Wait WHAT?"

Not to mention that ... he wasn't exactly on his best behavior in the last months leading up to ME3-- where he screamed at the Jokermancers for even wanting a Joker romance and blocked them on twitter.

So yeah, I have some serious misgiving towards Hudson and ... well, I admit that I may have been influenced by other people saying that Liara is Mac Walters' favorite pet (is that actually verified for sure? I know she... has a lot of presence.) And I just resent the fact that Liara is around a lot at a cost to the rest of the cast (it feels that way to me at the least.)

[SpamBot2000]

IsaacShep wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

How about no Mass Effect 4?

Or even better, if there must be Mass Effect 4, THERE SHOULD BE NO Hudson and Walters to screw up the game?

It's just lkaxjfdlkjfd I don't even want another Mass Effect 4 if they won't actually address the problems with ME3. (Last I checked it was still, "We didn't expect the fans to feel strongly"... instead of "****. We really screwed up. Our apologies.")

But Casey Hudson is responsible for KOTOR, ME1 & ME2 and Mac Walters for ME2. One mistake and they're out? Especially Casey who has a long great track record. People sure have short memory

It is strange... what was Hudson's contribution to those great games? Profound? Or did he just direct Drew Karpyshyn to 'write me a world, would ya? Thx!'? Couldn't say. 

As for ME3, it looks like Hudson had some kind of a fit and decided to torch the whole damn thing. Perhaps the pressure got to him. Yet he was happy to hype the game as something he damn well knew it wasn't. And then he just brazenly bluffed some artistic intent for his knowing act of sabotage. What he did just lost him all the credibility he had been building for years. Once you pull **** like that, people are not going to trust you not to do it again. He has a long way to go to regain what he had. It's sad.

As for Mac Walters, he was clearly promoted past his skill level. He has no creative writing background. The moment he takes over the story (Arrival), ME starts to go off the rails. Unlike Hudson, he has no previous career highlights to contrast with ME3. When has he ever demonstrated talent at writing games? Why should BioWare shoot themselves in the foot by having him write any more of their games? I'm sure there are things he's better suited for.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:43 .

[Jadebaby]

the fans have no say whether Shepard stays or goes.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I just want Shepard to have a cushy retirement. Jennifer Hale wants to do more Shepard. Clearly Mac doesn't want to write Shepard. Perhaps Weekes could take over a Shepard IP?

[shepskisaac]

Kia Purity wrote...

It's just that I wouldn't have been so upset if Casey wasn't all "OMG YOU GUISES DIDN'T GET IT. IT'S ART!" And that made me go "Wait WHAT?"

Hyperbolic twisted quotes ehhh, but anyway, if they never intended people to interpret the endings as total doom & gloom, then yeah, we didn't get it. It's another thing that it was their fault that they failed to convey the message properly. In any case, saying "fans didn't get our vision" is hardly a reason to disregard everything they did well and give them a boot. Doesn't even compare.

Kia Purity wrote...

Not to mention that ... he wasn't exactly on his best behavior in the last months leading up to ME3-- where he screamed at the Jokermancers for even wanting a Joker romance and blocked them on twitter.

That's simply not true. He never screamed at anyone. Jokermancers discovered Edi/Joker romance in leaked script and started spamming Casey on Twitter. You would block them too if you were getting dozens of tweets per HOUR for days from the same couple of people complaining to you over and over again and quite often not saying the nicest things. It reached the point when Jessica Merizan went to Joker thread and told everyone to stop harrasing Casey and remember that he's a person too. So yeah

[I Am Robot]

jtav wrote...

 They tend to review based on graphics, gameplay, etc. They also play once when they finish at all. Their concerns simply aren't the same as a hardcore fan's.

That's what they should be reviewing on. Things that are technical and measurable.  

[I Am Robot]

Ok:

Developers can decide what happens in the story and if the publisher approves that's what will be in the story. No one else gets to make decisions about what takes place in the story line.  
Obviously it would be illogical for them to make a game knowing that people probably aren't going to like because then they won't profit as much, which is why it's good idea for them to listen to the fan base. So other than the guys in the development team and the publishing company no one has the right to a say in story descisions.

Modifié par Farid-Yoda-N7, 19 décembre 2012 - 06:12 .

[Kia Purity]

IsaacShep wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

Not to mention that ... he wasn't exactly on his best behavior in the last months leading up to ME3-- where he screamed at the Jokermancers for even wanting a Joker romance and blocked them on twitter.

That's simply not true. He never screamed at anyone. Jokermancers discovered Edi/Joker romance in leaked script and started spamming Casey on Twitter. You would block them too if you were getting dozens of tweets per HOUR for days from the same couple of people complaining to you over and over again and quite often not saying the nicest things. It reached the point when Jessica Merizan went to Joker thread and told everyone to stop harrasing Casey and remember that he's a person too. So yeah

Dude, I don't remember any spam at all. I just remember Hudson flipping his shirt and that made me uncomfortable. I do however, remember Jessica Merizan's comment but I don't think it was in the Joker thread? I thought she said it on twitter. Huh.

Also, accidentally erased a part of your other reply, d'oh. On the subject of Hudson and Art, there is a term "Starving Artist" for a reason. I still can't get anyone to pay me for my artwork/knitting stuff at all. :| I only actually managed to sell a Kaidan hat ;_;

While parts of ME3 would rate as "artwork", it happens to be a commerical product and once it's a commerical product -- if the audience doesn't like it, obviously you aren't going to make money off of it-- I don't even know what I'm talking about. I suck at arguments.

Aaaaaand as to Hudson being involved in the other games, I don't feel like he was REALLY actually involved in the sense of actually coding, writing dialogue, creating textures. He's just a director, pretty much tells people what to do. The games don't really feel like they have his stamp on it. If you asked me who Hudson was before ME3, I'd have gone "Who?"

The only reason why I know his name is because he was heavily promoting ME3. I am like, a serious latecomer to the ME fanbase considering I started playing the two games while ME3 was ... in early stages of development? Like, it was maybe a year or two after ME2 was released?

Modifié par Kia Purity, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:02 .

[SpamBot2000]

Farid-Yoda-N7 wrote...

jtav wrote...

 They tend to review based on graphics, gameplay, etc. They also play once when they finish at all. Their concerns simply aren't the same as a hardcore fan's.

That's what they should be reviewing on. Things that are technical and measurable.  

Who says that's what they 'should' be reviewing on? Oh yes, the games industry, their major source of revenue. 

I guess that's what we get for expecting free criticism. The tune is called by the one who pays the piper.

[xxprokillazxx]

I Like the idea of Shepard being a Npc in the next game. For example let say that there's a mission in Thessia in the next game and you find Shepard and Liara (if Romanced) together just walking and you can interact with them and ask them about stuff etc.

[feriwan]

As long as it's not a prequel and Shepard is not an NPC, then I'm happy.
I don't want to go back in the story, we already know what will happen. And I don't want to see a character that I made, but then I can't control him...

[Dessalines]

For years they said that Shepard story was going to end in Mass Effect 3, so I was prepared for that.... I guess I just believed that if Shepard was going to die that would be so heroic that it led no doubt that she or he was the baddest mofo in the entire Galaxy, or if he or she was going to live that it would leave no doubt that he or she was retired and living peacefully with their LI or one the beach somewhere.

[N7 Lisbeth]

I still want Shepard as my character, to actively play throughout ME4. That option will determine if I buy ME4 or not. My Shepard survived and would not retire.

[Display Name Owner]

Bioware are going to do what they want to do whatever the fanbase says. No, I'm not criticising them for it, because what else are they supposed to do? Waiting for the fanbase to reach a unanimous decision in what they want is just insane - it's an exercise in futility. They'll take our opinions into consideration I hope, but ultimately they're going to base ME4 on whatever they think makes for the best story. Whatever Bioware decide, some people will be disappointed that they didn't get what they wanted, but Bioware's job is to make people want what they're offering.

But, for my part, Shepard's story is done, so let's move on. Whatever the next story is, I hope it's different from Shepard's, otherwise we're just treading old ground. The Mass Effect universe is big and full of possibilities, so why do the same thing again?

[Islandrockzor]

I'd argue that the game developers will ultimately determine whether or not Shepard will be in ME4.
Artistic integrity, in it's true meaning, not the ones people round these parts tend to use, and all that.

However, I can't be arsed to write it out properly. Instead I dare you, go through all 1st page posts on the forum right now, check all Bioware-responses, then see how many of them states "That is a really good idea, OP, we will make sure to follow up on this in our games. Done deal."

Those numbers should tell their own story, it's the Bioware Social Network, not the Bioware's Network of Extra Writers.

[shodiswe]

I say, DEAD Shepard is how we accomplish this!

But im not that concerned about that stuff... I jsut hope the enw game is good, because I like playing good games. And a good story hopefully. Hopefully the different elements of the game will tie together.
If there is a multiplayer I wouldn't mind if it tied into singleplayer somehow.
Maybe at some point in single player you can see your "multiplayer" characters dissembark on a mission. Even if you can't interact with them.
Unless ofcourse our singleplayer characters becomes multiplayer characters upon completion... That coudl happen aswell... Though that would likely take away the NG+ features... unless you can mis singleplayer and multiplayer by having customizable singleplayer characters... so we don't get 500 Shepard 2.0 clones running around in Multiplayer

[shodiswe]

Anyway I hope it's going to be a different character and type of hero this time Something new, a different type of destiny, one forged by the player, not one where you take command over someone who's already seen as one of the best in the galaxy.

[shepskisaac]

Kia Purity wrote...
Dude, I don't remember any spam at all.

I do. That's why he blocked a couple of people.

Kia Purity wrote...
I just remember Hudson flipping his shirt and that made me uncomfortable. I do however, remember Jessica Merizan's comment but I don't think it was in the Joker thread? I thought she said it on twitter. Huh.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/7625605&lf=8

Kia Purity wrote...
Also, accidentally erased a part of your other reply, d'oh. On the subject of Hudson and Art, there is a term "Starving Artist" for a reason. I still can't get anyone to pay me for my artwork/knitting stuff at all. :| I only actually managed to sell a Kaidan hat ;_;

While parts of ME3 would rate as "artwork", it happens to be a commerical product and once it's a commerical product -- if the audience doesn't like it, obviously you aren't going to make money off of it-- I don't even know what I'm talking about. I suck at arguments.

My main issue is how people go personal with criticism. Isn't criticisism of plot/characters/mechanics enough? The people responsible will know who did what.

Kia Purity wrote...
Aaaaaand as to Hudson being involved in the other games, I don't feel like he was REALLY actually involved in the sense of actually coding, writing dialogue, creating textures. He's just a director, pretty much tells people what to do. The games don't really feel like they have his stamp on it. If you asked me who Hudson was before ME3, I'd have gone "Who?"

Game Director/Main Producer is as involved and important as movie director.

[Ghost Lightning]

So the tears of whiny fanboys have to power to resurrect the dead?

Space magic.

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

Seival wrote...

(1) ME3 has less flaws than any game ever developed.

That has got to be the most idiotic statement I've ever heard on here. All 3 games have their flaws, but ME3 is by far the worst. Bioware certainly can't please everyone, but their attitudes make me think that following the ME3 backlash they simply couldn't give two ****'s about what we want or think.