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[Blue Gloves]

Nefla wrote...

For now. In the future they may want to further streamline the games so as not to confuse the straight male CoD player they're trying to entrap. Having the option to choose a female PC will confuse and infuriate Mr. Dudebro and make him question his sexuality leading to him beating his head against the wall until his brains ooze out and he is unable to buy future titles.

Heeeeeeyyyy now.  That's just mean.  Hate, assumptions, and ugly words towards COD gamers is every bit as ugly as hate towards female gamers.    Just 'cause you're hatin' on the other guys doesn't make it right.


edit:'d by mister Epler

Modifié par Blue Gloves, 18 décembre 2012 - 12:08 .

[berelinde]

mousestalker wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Why is this even a question? Of course you can play a female protagonist.

<=== is waiting for the inevitable, inexorable question: Will the protagonist be bipedal?

You know it's coming.

Will you still buy the game if you can't play as a halla?

Seriously, though, I wouldn't mind non-canine animal companions. Don't get me wrong! I am definitely a "dog person" and love my character's mabari as only a dog lover married to a cat person can, but I wouldn't mind having the ability to add wolves, cats, rabbits, halla, or birds to the mix. It would be kind of nice to come home to our castles and interact with our pet bunnies.

[rolson00]

i will

[Battlebloodmage]

Most if not all of Bioware games allow you to play as a female. I don't think it would be different. It's more likely that you won't be played as a gay character than a female character. DA series allows you to play as both from the very beginning, so I don't think you have anything to worry about.

[DPSSOC]

I don't get why people would be concerned about this. Considering the setting it'd be downright bizarre to not have a female PC. One of the largest and most powerful organizations in Thedas is a Matriarchy. The greatest mover and shaker in the series to date is female. I'd honestly expect them to drop the male PC first.

[Examurai]

TheJediSaint wrote...

The real question: Blond, Brunette, or Redhead?

No. The real question: Who is the VA going to be?

[PorcelynDoll]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

I was very worried about having the female pc option removed after ME3. 

Why?!

We even had a trailer starring FemShep.

And she was on the cover. I found the attention given to femshep in ME3's marketing campaign quite encouraging.

I felt like I wasn't valued as a straight female gamer. Like I was a butt of some joke.
2 of my romances were destroyed in very cruel and distasteful ways. Thane is murdered and Jacob dumps Shepard and gets Cole pregnant despite telling Shep he loves her in 2.  All of MShep's LI's stay loyal and have the option of living. If you chose Ash as the vs and didn't romance Garrus in 2 fem shep had no LI in 3 while Mshep has one added. When the VS confronts Shep about having a relationship in 2 MShep can defend himself but femshep has to apologize and ask for forgiveness. How is that equality?

selfphobia.deviantart.com/art/More-equality-for-Femshep-329405714

If you are really interested this is the tl;dr version from the shut down character forum.
social.bioware.com/unity.freeforumshosting.org/forum/1/topic/325/index/9839951/1

I trusted Bioware. they always gave me choice and equality before. It felt like a purposeful slight. I'm
just thankful the DA and ME team are separate and the DA dev team is
made up of equal parts male and female input.

[WhiteKnyght]

John Epler wrote...

Nefla wrote...

For now. In the future they may want to further streamline the games so as not to confuse the straight male CoD player they're trying to entrap. Having the option to choose a female PC will confuse and infuriate Mr. Dudebro and make him question his sexuality leading to him beating his head against the wall until his brains ooze out and he is unable to buy future titles.

And this kind of snark is hardly necessary, thanks.

The forums are for discussion. Attempting to be 'clever' in this fashion does not contribute to constructive discussion and will be handled appropriately in the future.

THANK YOU!

The BSN has become such a troll's den in the last year. It's about time a Dev came in and told them that being rude and hateful isn't going to get them anything.

On topic: I'm predicting it'll be another Hawke/Shepard-ish character. Gender selectable, but with a pre-determined voice for each character. Who knows, maybe they'll include different backgrounds and reputations for the "Inquisitor" if that's what he/she is even going to really be called.

Anybody accusing Bioware of being sexist is crazy. They're one of the most progressive video game studios around.

[Rorschachinstein]

Examurai1 wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

The real question: Blond, Brunette, or Redhead?

No. The real question: Who is the VA going to be?

I'm going to assume it will have an English accent.

[mickey111]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

I was very worried about having the female pc option removed after ME3. 

Why?!

We even had a trailer starring FemShep.

And she was on the cover. I found the attention given to femshep in ME3's marketing campaign quite encouraging.

I felt like I wasn't valued as a straight female gamer. Like I was a butt of some joke.
2 of my romances were destroyed in very cruel and distasteful ways. Thane is murdered and Jacob dumps Shepard and gets Cole pregnant despite telling Shep he loves her in 2.  All of MShep's LI's stay loyal and have the option of living. If you chose Ash as the vs and didn't romance Garrus in 2 fem shep had no LI in 3 while Mshep has one added. When the VS confronts Shep about having a relationship in 2 MShep can defend himself but femshep has to apologize and ask for forgiveness. How is that equality?



If you are really interested this is the tl;dr version from the shut down character forum.


I trusted Bioware. they always gave me choice and equality before. It felt like a purposeful slight. I'm
just thankful the DA and ME team are separate and the DA dev team is
made up of equal parts male and female input.

I'm sure Bioware are going to be deeply upset at the negativity they've stirred among the 0.0000001% of humanity. Welcome to my ignore list, drama queen. On an unrelated note I think femsheps number of options was too much as it is, let alone males. Should have the next Bioware games cut it down to like 3 LI people in total. Maybe that way we can have secondary characters that have character arcs, as opposed to cardboard cut outs with 2 lines of dialogue each and just maybe that will be enough to make them into interesting enough characters that i give a damn about equality in the first place.

As for thhe protagonist, well they're both basically the same characters whether male or female. I suppose that if Bioware can attract some celebraty voice overs then the extra expense could pay for itself,

[SafetyShattered]

I can't imagine why you wouldn't be able to, considering every Bioware game lately has let you. So I wouldn't worry about it OP.

[PorcelynDoll]

mickey111 wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

I was very worried about having the female pc option removed after ME3. 

Why?!

We even had a trailer starring FemShep.

And she was on the cover. I found the attention given to femshep in ME3's marketing campaign quite encouraging.

I felt like I wasn't valued as a straight female gamer. Like I was a butt of some joke.
2 of my romances were destroyed in very cruel and distasteful ways. Thane is murdered and Jacob dumps Shepard and gets Cole pregnant despite telling Shep he loves her in 2.  All of MShep's LI's stay loyal and have the option of living. If you chose Ash as the vs and didn't romance Garrus in 2 fem shep had no LI in 3 while Mshep has one added. When the VS confronts Shep about having a relationship in 2 MShep can defend himself but femshep has to apologize and ask for forgiveness. How is that equality?



If you are really interested this is the tl;dr version from the shut down character forum.


I trusted Bioware. they always gave me choice and equality before. It felt like a purposeful slight. I'm
just thankful the DA and ME team are separate and the DA dev team is
made up of equal parts male and female input.

I'm sure Bioware are going to be deeply upset at the negativity they've stirred among the 0.0000001% of humanity. Welcome to my ignore list, drama queen. On an unrelated note I think femsheps number of options was too much as it is, let alone males. Should have the next Bioware games cut it down to like 3 LI people in total. Maybe that way we can have secondary characters that have character arcs, as opposed to cardboard cut outs with 2 lines of dialogue each and just maybe that will be enough to make them into interesting enough characters that i give a damn about equality in the first place.

As for thhe protagonist, well they're both basically the same characters whether male or female. I suppose that if Bioware can attract some celebraty voice overs then the extra expense could pay for itself,

Believing in equality for men and women makes me a drama queen does it? I attacked no one. I was asked why I felt so and I gave my honest answer. Women can't have opinions I guess so you have to ignore me.

[SirGladiator]

FemShep got the short end of the stick all the way around. There were 5 female teammates who were potential LIs, FemShep got only 1 of those. MaleShep, obviously, got all 5. At least there was the 'potential' for 2 different male LIs for FemShep if that's your preference, there was nothing the rest of us could do to get a second female teammate LI for FemShep no matter what we did, which sucked really bad. Too bad they didn't follow the DA2/Skyrim policy, which hopefully they will in the future, then all the problems would be solved.

[Gazardiel]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

I felt like I wasn't valued as a straight female gamer. Like I was a butt of some joke.
2 of my romances were destroyed in very cruel and distasteful ways. Thane is murdered and Jacob dumps Shepard and gets Cole pregnant despite telling Shep he loves her in 2.  All of MShep's LI's stay loyal and have the option of living. If you chose Ash as the vs and didn't romance Garrus in 2 fem shep had no LI in 3 while Mshep has one added. When the VS confronts Shep about having a relationship in 2 MShep can defend himself but femshep has to apologize and ask for forgiveness. How is that equality?

selfphobia.deviantart.com/art/More-equality-for-Femshep-329405714

If you are really interested this is the tl;dr version from the shut down character forum.
social.bioware.com/unity.freeforumshosting.org/forum/1/topic/325/index/9839951/1

I trusted Bioware. they always gave me choice and equality before. It felt like a purposeful slight. I'm
just thankful the DA and ME team are separate and the DA dev team is
made up of equal parts male and female input.

Thank you for posting these info links.  I had heard about the severe disparity in LIs in ME3 at a recent conference, but it's good to see the info myself.  I am also glad that ME and DA teams are separate; friends keep telling me to try ME, but it's really hard for me to stomach such blatant imbalance after seeing the (sadly, revolutionary-seeming) equity in DA.  I like playing the different protagonist options (male, female, other races), but seeing that FemShep would be ridiculously shoehorned into hawt girl-on-girl action makes it hard for me to respect this as a serious game and not just see it as porn.  Even sadder, I heard that ME2 was a lot more balanced in comparison.  

[Plaintiff]

SirGladiator wrote...

FemShep got the short end of the stick all the way around. There were 5 female teammates who were potential LIs, FemShep got only 1 of those. MaleShep, obviously, got all 5. At least there was the 'potential' for 2 different male LIs for FemShep if that's your preference, there was nothing the rest of us could do to get a second female teammate LI for FemShep no matter what we did, which sucked really bad. Too bad they didn't follow the DA2/Skyrim policy, which hopefully they will in the future, then all the problems would be solved.

MaleShep actually gets seven potential sexual partners overall, in ME3. A lesbian female Shepard has potentially four, with one being exclusive. Straight female Shepard and gay male Shepard have two options.

I've said before that I think the LI options in ME3 were grossly imbalanced in favour of straight males, and given that the setting is one where interspecies relationships are remarkably common, the rigid heteronormativity of ME1 and 2 is really lame.

[Uccio]

No. Female pc removed in order to have more content in the game. 

Modifié par Ukki, 18 décembre 2012 - 12:09 .

[sassyJacen]

Long live the character creation/costemisation!!!!

[Fast Jimmy]

You can play a female PC, but in order to conserve zots the VA is only the male actor with a voice modulation to sound a higher pitch. LOL

[SpunkyMonkey]

LittleDiegito wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...


All BW's D&D games kept character creation though - it's a far bigger step to remove that from a DA, D&D style game than it is create a new franchize ala KOTR or The Witcher.

KotOR is based on the D20 Star Wars rules that were published by Wizards of the Coast and are heavily drawn from D&D third edition. So technically KotOR is a D&D style game as well.

They are worlds apart in terms of foundation, heritage and expectancy though.

Is it really so hard to accept that people who play D&D games would expect a character creation system in their computer game counterparts?

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 18 décembre 2012 - 02:31 .

[esper]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

LittleDiegito wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...


All BW's D&D games kept character creation though - it's a far bigger step to remove that from a DA, D&D style game than it is create a new franchize ala KOTR or The Witcher.

KotOR is based on the D20 Star Wars rules that were published by Wizards of the Coast and are heavily drawn from D&D third edition. So technically KotOR is a D&D style game as well.

They are worlds apart in terms of foundation, heritage and expectancy though.

Is it really so hard to accept that people who play D&D games would expect a character creation system in their computer game counterparts?

But dragon age is not a D&D game, (no matter the inspirations drawn from it).

[SpunkyMonkey]

esper wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

LittleDiegito wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...


All BW's D&D games kept character creation though - it's a far bigger step to remove that from a DA, D&D style game than it is create a new franchize ala KOTR or The Witcher.

KotOR is based on the D20 Star Wars rules that were published by Wizards of the Coast and are heavily drawn from D&D third edition. So technically KotOR is a D&D style game as well.

They are worlds apart in terms of foundation, heritage and expectancy though.

Is it really so hard to accept that people who play D&D games would expect a character creation system in their computer game counterparts?

But dragon age is not a D&D game, (no matter the inspirations drawn from it).

Again not "technically", but do you honestly believe that D&D fans weren't wanting or expecting a D&D style game?

All the talk was about it being a spiritual successor to BG - it's a D&D game designed by and for D&D fans.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 18 décembre 2012 - 02:43 .

[esper]

There are a heck of a lot difference between a spiritual successor and a games that works mechanically the same.

Besides da2 and the rest of the series have not been marketed as a spiritual successor.

I for my part is just glad we are finally abandoning D&D which I have never liked.

[SpunkyMonkey]

esper wrote...

There are a heck of a lot difference between a spiritual successor and a games that works mechanically the same.
.

There is, but the target audience is still the same - there's not a D&D fanbase, and a seperate "D&D mechanicically specific" fanbase - it is all the same D&D fanbase. Hence my point why D&D fans would expect a character creation system.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 18 décembre 2012 - 02:46 .

[esper]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

esper wrote...

There are a heck of a lot difference between a spiritual successor and a games that works mechanically the same.
.

There is, but the target audience is still the same - there's not a D&D fanbase, and a seperate "D&D mechanicically specific" fanbase - it is all the same D&D fanbase. Hence my point why D&D fans would expect a character creation system.

Not every da:o fan is a D&D fan, you know...
Not even everyone who wants race as an option in character charactersation wants if because of D&D either.

I guess I can just one more time say: Da is not D&D and it is never going to be, so your argument sort of doesn't make sense to me.

[Tootles FTW]

Captain Crash wrote...

It be interesting to see a default blonde protagonist. Some of the comments I saw during "choose FemSheps appearance" shows there is still a real stereotype around blonde women which is a shame.   A kick ass Blonde is needed imo.  Additionally Bioware haavent really had any in recent memory

I agree that the attention blonde!Shep received was absolutely horrid.  I think she looked awesome and would have preferred her instead of another red-haired female.  I mean...oh, wow, a redheaded female in nerd fiction...YOU DON'T SAY?  You can't swing a dead fish around in video games or comic books without slapping a dozen "firey-haired vixens".  

As a brown-haired, brown-eyed female I'd like to see some representation for personal reasons, but that ain't gonna happen outside of Lara Croft and Kitty Pryde.