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[Maria Caliban]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Isabela is a black woman.

So people from Rivain are black? Duncan is black too, then? =)

You'd have to ask one of the writers, but that's a fair assumption.

[Blue Gloves]

Arppis wrote...

I mean, I should be all liberal about playing as female... But it just doesn't sit right with me. Can't do it. I wish there was more option to play as female for those who want to do it thou.

Meh, if you don't feel it, you don't feel it.  Everyone's passionate about different stuff, after all.  Just nice that you aren't opposed to the idea of having the option available for the rest of us.

[Arppis]

Blue Gloves wrote...

Arppis wrote...

I mean, I should be all liberal about playing as female... But it just doesn't sit right with me. Can't do it. I wish there was more option to play as female for those who want to do it thou.

Meh, if you don't feel it, you don't feel it.  Everyone's passionate about different stuff, after all.  Just nice that you aren't opposed to the idea of having the option available for the rest of us.

Ofcourse not. I'm not against having other races either, but I understand why they can't bring them in.

[Atakuma]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Isabela is a black woman.

Isabela is a black woman in the same way my foot is a rowboat.

[Wrathion]

Atakuma wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Isabela is a black woman.

Isabela is a black woman in the same way my foot is a rowboat.

That must be extremely uncomfortable for you. 

[Solmanian]

Considering the polls showed that there are more female gamers than male gamers (though most consider themselves casual, and the majority of "hardcore" gamers are still males) I don't see female protagonist being "streamlined" if anything it would be the opposite: A strong female protagonist to attract female gamers but with enough "fanservice" to attract male gamers (like tomb raider in its glory days, or probably what the new TR is aiming at)...

[WhiteKnyght]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Isabela is a black woman.

Not necessarily. Her complexion and hair color seem more like the Thedosian equivalent of the people of Central America than Africa.

Same with Duncan. In fact, wasn't he modeled after some soccer player or something? I remember seeing a picture of the guy somewhere.

[Sharn01]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Why is this even a question? Of course you can play a female protagonist.

Its a legitimate question, and not one I would consider out of line either.  If someone told me bioware was going to make a fantasy based rpg that did not have race selection I would not have believed them at one point in time, so there you go. 

You may say its not the same thing, but really, it is, its an option that you could or could not include in the game.  It wouldn't mean you made a bad game if you took away gender selection for the protagonist, I would certainly be less interested in the game but I am not everyone, and you could make a "tighter story", in devs own words, by doing so.

Modifié par Sharn01, 18 décembre 2012 - 11:40 .

[Saibh]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Isabela is a black woman.

Not necessarily. Her complexion and hair color seem more like the Thedosian equivalent of the people of Central America than Africa.

Same with Duncan. In fact, wasn't he modeled after some soccer player or something? I remember seeing a picture of the guy somewhere.

If Isabela is black her designers made no effort to make her look it besides giving her dark skin. Same with Duncan. Which is worse than her simply not being black: what's wrong with black facial features that the only two characters that are black both have rather Caucasian appearances?

So I would hope that her designers did not intend for her to appear black.

Sharn01 wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Why is this even a question? Of course you can play a female protagonist.

Its a legitimate question, and not one I would consider out of line either. If someone told me bioware was going to make a fantasy based rpg that did not have race selection I would not have believed them at one point in time, so there you go.

You may say its not the same thing, but really, it is, its an option that you could or could not include in the game. It wouldn't mean you made a bad game if you took away gender selection for the protagonist, I would certainly be less interested in the game but I am not everyone, and you could make a "tighter story", in devs own words, by doing so.

That would include BG, BGII, and NWN. If three games convinced you this was their trend, I'm not sure what to say. Especially because they all occurred in the same IP. Wouldn't it also be fair to say that you couldn't see BioWare making a non-DnD game at this point? 

Modifié par Saibh, 18 décembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[Maria Caliban]

Atakuma wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Isabela is a black woman.

Isabela is a black woman in the same way my foot is a rowboat.

Row, row, row your foot
Gently down the stream.

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Isabela is a black woman.

Not necessarily. Her complexion and hair color seem more like the Thedosian equivalent of the people of Central America than Africa.

Same with Duncan. In fact, wasn't he modeled after some soccer player or something? I remember seeing a picture of the guy somewhere.

Word of God is that Isabela is a black woman.

Proof

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 18 décembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[Sir George Parr]

I always regarded Isabela as being more Middle East than black.It just suited her whole exotic look in DA 2.

[Kidd]

It's funny how when I saw the first pictures of Isabela, I was rolling my eyes. And now she's certainly one of my very favourite characters in the series.


EDIT: Wait what the crap, this isn't even relevant. What am I posting? Off to bed I go.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 18 décembre 2012 - 11:52 .

[Nefla]

Ok, without sarcasm: Maybe future stories can only be told through a male perspective as DA2 and DA3 can only be told through a human perspective. Maybe they will decide the extra time and resources adding a fully voiced female option are not worth it and cut the option. Their telemetry data shows that most people played a human male warrior in DA:O for example, why waste resources on something most people will never use? The data also shows that most people don't finish games let alone do additional playthroughs and a huge percentage of male players would never play a female character anyways because they "can't identify" with a woman. The percentage of women who would refuse to play a fixed male character and thus refuse to buy a game with one is much smaller. A lot of things that had been a draw and a staple in previous games are being cut and streamlined in favor of trying to entice new audiences and get games out quicker, so at this point I doubt anything is off the chopping block. You may be able to choose your gender now, but who knows how much streamlining will affect future games. I never thought there would be a Mass Effect without exploration, being able to shape your Shepard, and a stirring ending where you come out victorious or a Dragon age where you can't choose a race or background, where the world is no longer grand, intriguing, and beautiful, but times change. I think "will I be able to play a female protagonist" is a valid question.

[schalafi]

I'm sort of embarrassed to admit that when I started playing Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale, I played a male protagonist because I didn't realize I could play a female... I didn't read the manual very thoroughly. I'm so grateful that we are given choices in Bioware games, and the CC to make the PCs our own, whether male or female. I really don't see any reason for Bioware to change that.

Modifié par schalafi, 19 décembre 2012 - 01:32 .

[Augoeides]

Emzamination wrote...

relhart wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

relhart wrote...

Why is it even a question?  Because the last game removed a lot of player agency,  It might not be a good question, but given the trend in recent games, it seems like a reasonable thing to ask. 

No it's not a reasonable thing to ask at all, even in the slightest.

Your logic is flawless.

Broski you just tried to piggyback a argument equating the removal of gender equality in game with the removal of fantasy races and equipment selection.When dwarves and elves walk the world and contribute equally to the production of this game as human men and women do, then and only then will it be an actual equality issue worthy of comparison.

For now ask yourself "When was the last time bioware made a game with a single male protagonist?" When the answer hits you, then and only then will you understand the sheer stupidity flowing between the ops question, your potshot argument and the prisitine logic coupled with biorage that led you to piggyback said argument with stupidity.

Void take me, maker /eyeroll     

I don't know who you are but I want to have your children.

[Atakuma]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Word of God is that Isabela is a black woman.

Proof

Well then somebody forgot to tell the artist that, because she clearly wasn't designed that way.

[PsychoBlonde]

Blue Gloves wrote...

Arppis wrote...

I mean, I should be all liberal about playing as female... But it just doesn't sit right with me. Can't do it. I wish there was more option to play as female for those who want to do it thou.

Meh, if you don't feel it, you don't feel it.  Everyone's passionate about different stuff, after all.  Just nice that you aren't opposed to the idea of having the option available for the rest of us.

I hate playing as a dude, myself.

[whykikyouwhy]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Isabela is a black woman.

Says who?

Edit: Ah, "word of God."

Black people in Thedas aren't like black people IRL, then, I guess. Handy to know.

And what exactly are black people IRL like? Just curious.

[Saibh]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

And what exactly are black people IRL like? Just curious.

Here is a Wikipedia article on it.

[LittleDiegito]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

LittleDiegito wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...


All BW's D&D games kept character creation though - it's a far bigger step to remove that from a DA, D&D style game than it is create a new franchize ala KOTR or The Witcher.

KotOR is based on the D20 Star Wars rules that were published by Wizards of the Coast and are heavily drawn from D&D third edition. So technically KotOR is a D&D style game as well.

They are worlds apart in terms of foundation, heritage and expectancy though.

Is it really so hard to accept that people who play D&D games would expect a character creation system in their computer game counterparts?

No theyre not. Star Wars has every bit as much racial diversity as D&D does. More in fact. Far more described and detailed races. Star Wars roleplaying games traditionally have TONS of races to choose from. Star Wars has some movies that feature mostly human leads, outside of that they function pretty similarly, and when it comes to the roleplaying games identically.

Incidentally I play a whole lot of D&D. Probably for longer than many board members here have been alive. I have no expectations that any computer game I pick up will have a character creator. I generally prefer when they do but its no biggie to me when they dont. Im especially ambivalent with race options. The kind of roleplay I do at the table doesnt happen in a computer game. Since I cant choose dialog beyond what has been programmed in, elves dwarves and so on will remain human with a different skin. Sure I can create my own head cannon with my characters thought process and even dialog, but at that point Ill just go play tabletop.

[Milan92]

Just curious, if Isabela isnt black, then what is she?