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[BennyHartless]

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Just one point, there is definitely DLC that will be released after Awakening. We're like Santa's elves busily crafting away. Or maybe more like the Nightmare Before Christmas critters, that would be way more cool. Every fourth box whill have a severed head.

Santa's elves typically meet their delivery date. 

[Moberz]

Ulous wrote...

a lot of people are talking dollars and tbh you have got it good compared to the UK, in the UK it cost me £40 for my copy of DAO which is the equivelent of about $60-$70, so just consider yourselves lucky you don't live here :-)

Most new games in the UK are £40 pounds, well they are at GAME.

I see DAO as a equal buy to be honest.

For example Assassins Creed II, no DLC, 15 hours of game play - 1 play through then side stuff - £40

Compare that to DAO, 2 peices of DLC included, 24 hours of gameplay - so far 4 run throughs - £40

TESIV: Oblivion - 2 DLC included, hundreds of hours of gameplay - well over 10 play throughs - £40

This is where the defenition of you get what you pay for comes in. DAO is on avarage what i expect for £40 pounds, games like ACII which are shorter, may not be as pleasing game time wise, but are better in being more free, and better graphics and so on. Whilst Oblivion, made a few years back, not so great graphics, but makes up for it in DLC,and in vast expance of freedom, fun, and quests. Not living in America i am unsure if all games are at "X" price when they are first released so i don't know if this applies to you.

[DwemerWARRIOR]

Moberz wrote...

Ulous wrote...

a lot of people are talking dollars and tbh you have got it good compared to the UK, in the UK it cost me £40 for my copy of DAO which is the equivelent of about $60-$70, so just consider yourselves lucky you don't live here :-)

Most new games in the UK are £40 pounds, well they are at GAME.

I see DAO as a equal buy to be honest.

For example Assassins Creed II, no DLC, 15 hours of game play - 1 play through then side stuff - £40

Compare that to DAO, 2 peices of DLC included, 24 hours of gameplay - so far 4 run throughs - £40

TESIV: Oblivion - 2 DLC included, hundreds of hours of gameplay - well over 10 play throughs - £40

This is where the defenition of you get what you pay for comes in. DAO is on avarage what i expect for £40 pounds, games like ACII which are shorter, may not be as pleasing game time wise, but are better in being more free, and better graphics and so on. Whilst Oblivion, made a few years back, not so great graphics, but makes up for it in DLC,and in vast expance of freedom, fun, and quests. Not living in America i am unsure if all games are at "X" price when they are first released so i don't know if this applies to you.

Y, I agree. And with allthough I payed over 60€ for TES: Oblivion collectors edition it has payed itself back; I've played Oblivion for over 3 years and I quess over the years I have accumulated over 600 hours or so.

AND it led me to the path of RPG:s and nerdom, so if I hadnt bought Oblivion back then I wouldnt have bought DA:O either (+ I have bought every add-on Oblivion,, INCLUDING the INFAMOUS "HORSE ARMOR -PACK" )

[Valkaneer]

Consider the reverse....

Dragon Age: Origins should have cost more than $50.

They crammed an incredibly large amount of content into the game (looking at modern game lengths, perhaps 3 games worth) and sold it for the cost of one.

They did that to kick start a new franchise....

So they gave us this amazing deal to start the franchise, three games worth of content for the price of one.

Most modern games don't last 15 hours. Awakening for 15 hours and $40 will:

1) add new stuff to Dragon Age: Origins (talents and what not), increasing it's replay value.
2) provide a full game worth of content for 20% less than the price of a full game.

That's a pretty good deal.

It might not be the absolutely astonishingly good value as Origins itself way (three games for the price of one), but one game for the price of 0.8 is still good :-)


Also, they have mentioned that the team working on DLC is seperate from the team working on the expansion, so they shouldn't have an impact on each other.

I have to call you out on this,  I just don't think DAO compares in content with the most Famous RPG's, such as the Final Fantasy franchise.  60-80 hours is a very normal amount of time played for an RPG.  Morrowind easly follows 50-100 hours  and Oblivion from what Ive heard can be over 200 hours. Thoes are only a few years old.  I have been out of the RPG loop for a while, but I can't belive that RPG's now form to the idea that 30 hours is normal play time.  Maybe in a FPS that is normal, but not for an RPG.  I have no love for EA or what they do to games.  This is the second Modern EA game Ive purchased and in my oppinion I belive the game to be barely on par price wise.  There is no way I would ever spend 40$ on a 30% added content expanshion.  40$ is down right robbery.  I know it's your job to try and make the game look good, but that is ridiculas to belive 40$ for 30% of the content is a good price. 

In all truth I could play Wow for 30 days stright for 50$ when the game first came out.  It takes a bare minimum of 7days to reach lvl 60 for thoes going for record times, not including other content.  Most ppl took 15 days or longer. DAO has pleanty of buggs and memory leaks,  and I have some serious serious problems with story line near end game If your playing a certain alinment.  In one of the most important conversations in the game I was looking at someones armored back  90% of the time.  (I doubt that happened to everyone of coarse). So there are still major buggs, and Issues in the game.  Its a great game for the most part, but not 40$ for 30% more content great.

[shorn_]

Valkaneer wrote...

Consider the reverse....

Dragon Age: Origins should have cost more than $50.

They crammed an incredibly large amount of content into the game (looking at modern game lengths, perhaps 3 games worth) and sold it for the cost of one.

They did that to kick start a new franchise....

So they gave us this amazing deal to start the franchise, three games worth of content for the price of one.

Most modern games don't last 15 hours. Awakening for 15 hours and $40 will:

1) add new stuff to Dragon Age: Origins (talents and what not), increasing it's replay value.
2) provide a full game worth of content for 20% less than the price of a full game.

That's a pretty good deal.

It might not be the absolutely astonishingly good value as Origins itself way (three games for the price of one), but one game for the price of 0.8 is still good :-)


Also, they have mentioned that the team working on DLC is seperate from the team working on the expansion, so they shouldn't have an impact on each other.

I have to call you out on this,  I just don't think DAO compares in content with the most Famous RPG's, such as the Final Fantasy franchise.  60-80 hours is a very normal amount of time played for an RPG.  Morrowind easly follows 50-100 hours  and Oblivion from what Ive heard can be over 200 hours. Thoes are only a few years old.  I have been out of the RPG loop for a while, but I can't belive that RPG's now form to the idea that 30 hours is normal play time.  Maybe in a FPS that is normal, but not for an RPG.  I have no love for EA or what they do to games.  This is the second Modern EA game Ive purchased and in my oppinion I belive the game to be barely on par price wise.  There is no way I would ever spend 40$ on a 30% added content expanshion.  40$ is down right robbery.  I know it's your job to try and make the game look good, but that is ridiculas to belive 40$ for 30% of the content is a good price. 

In all truth I could play Wow for 30 days stright for 50$ when the game first came out.  It takes a bare minimum of 7days to reach lvl 60 for thoes going for record times, not including other content.  Most ppl took 15 days or longer. DAO has pleanty of buggs and memory leaks,  and I have some serious serious problems with story line near end game If your playing a certain alinment.  In one of the most important conversations in the game I was looking at someones armored back  90% of the time.  (I doubt that happened to everyone of coarse). So there are still major buggs, and Issues in the game.  Its a great game for the most part, but not 40$ for 30% more content great.

Valkaneer, your absolutly right with this. The Dev was wrong but he/she was wrong for the right reasons. See i think they were looking at the situation for first person shooters and not RPG's. Indeed for a RPG $50 for 80 hours is about par for the course. Indeed anything less than about 60 hours and people start to complaine that the RPG did not have enough content...and rightly so i think!

Other RPG games have far more content..like you said..final fantasy..or even the old school ultima games. I think in some ways they think Dragon age has alot of content due to the 6 origin stories that tend to be 3-6 hours depending on play style. They feel this because your origin shapes aspects of the game in small ways..Still for my money it does not change it enough to consider the game as having 400 hours of game play (6 origins X 80 hours)..Now if this was true..if the game was more like the new starwars MMORG bioware is putting out in that each character has a truly unique story and plot progression then heck yeh i would probably pay more for it and not complaine...but..it does not..

Also an expansion for $10 less than the actual game is insulting. Im sorry it just is. Its so insulting that i would gather it will drive more people into downloading it from the web (pirate stuff here kids) or just waiting a few months till it comes down in price to something respectable like $20-$20 a copy.

Again though i doubt that our complaints will do any real good. Complaining to a Mod is like complaining to the minium wage worker at McDonalds..after a while they stop caring and really your just crazy if you think anyone who can do anything about it is going to hear about it or change their ways...

[Torias]

shorn_ wrote...
Complaining to a Mod is like complaining to the minium wage worker at McDonalds..

Actually, no.

It's like complaining to the customer next to you in the line....

[skarlson]

I honestly don't care about what other games cost. I have stuck with bioware for all this time because they are one of the few devs who do not just punch out a shoddy 10 to 15 hour game after another for 50-60 dollars. I don't expect the quality or the value of games to go down and I don't buy games that cost 60 bucks and only give 15 hours of play; at least not until they hit the bargain bin and even then not very often.

Just because everyone else does it doesn't mean we should lower our standards of what we expect. No offense intended to you Torias; simply my opinion. There are devs who churn out games and then there are devs like bioware who are heads and shoulders above the rest. If they are charging 40 dollars for an expansion pack I definately expect the same treatment I have gotten from bioware in the past i.e. a longer game with quality content.

Torias wrote...

ComputerEd wrote...
Also I am a bit concerned about the price of the expansion. The Dragon Age game which needed a lot more time and cost to produce was sold for on release $49.95.  The expansion is listing at $39.95 or  only $9 less, 20% than the original game. Now I do not expect the expansion to have the same amount of content as the original, it is after all an expansion. However I would hope that at only 20% less cost we would see nothing below 50% less content. I mean you are really close to the same price so if asking for half the content really that bad?

Yet the number bantered around is 15 hours, or in other words less that 30% of the content in the original game. By some standards it is close to 20%.

Consider the reverse....

Dragon Age: Origins should have cost more than $50.

They crammed an incredibly large amount of content into the game (looking at modern game lengths, perhaps 3 games worth) and sold it for the cost of one.

They did that to kick start a new franchise....

So they gave us this amazing deal to start the franchise, three games worth of content for the price of one.

Most modern games don't last 15 hours. Awakening for 15 hours and $40 will:

1) add new stuff to Dragon Age: Origins (talents and what not), increasing it's replay value.
2) provide a full game worth of content for 20% less than the price of a full game.

That's a pretty good deal.

It might not be the absolutely astonishingly good value as Origins itself way (three games for the price of one), but one game for the price of 0.8 is still good :-)


Also, they have mentioned that the team working on DLC is seperate from the team working on the expansion, so they shouldn't have an impact on each other.

[YustynnP]

DA:O is amazing. It really is unbelievable. Bioware raised the standards, pricing that at standard game price. They set the bar that high up and thus this tells us that we should expect that high standard to be consistent. However, the 15 hours for 80% of the price is inconsistent. It is irrelevant as to how much the production cost is, the voice acting, etc, was to us, the consumers.



Perhaps bioware SHOULD have priced it at more than the price of one game, but they DIDN'T. Thus we now expect that kind of quality from them.



I personally love DA:O - to death. I'm planning on buying the expansion, regardless of the (comparatively) high price. But that doesn't justify the cost.