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[FasterThanFTL]

The gun is what it is because:

1. It's an Ultra Rare.
2. Has the worst reserve ammo ever.
3. Weighs heavy enough for cooldown dependent caster classes to not use it.
4. Stability in cover is poor.

[UnRestrikted]

Mine is maxed out and the only time I used it was when we had the Assault Rifle Weekend Challenge.

[taplonaplo]

chipsandwich wrote...
By today's standards. But back in the day it did comparable damage to the Black Widow (~500 vs 600 at level X iirc), but at that time there was:

i) 100% enemy shieldgate, which the Krysae ignored

ii) No boss headshots

iii) The Krysae had (and still has) a *50% multiplier vs armor, superior to the damage bonus gained from a boss headshot (*40%) in today's metagame

With consumables on a GI (hurf durf), it could kill entire mobs in one shot if they were placed appropriately, and even then, you could kill Rocket Troopers/Centurions on Gold in one shot without even aiming. With the state of consumables then, the only way to get one shots on shielded Gold enemies with other snipers was with the Javelin X (debatable), and even then you had to get a headshot, and ALSO deal with the aim delay. In the state of its introduction, it obsoleted the Black Widow in such a way that the BW couldn't be buffed via .ini edits without bringing it into the realm of absurdity.

I agree with Sirian on his sentiments on the Harrier in that it is a jack-of-all-trades gun in the current metagame, although I wis there were more competitive options. I would really like to see a Rare AR version of the Collector Sniper Rifle.

Yeah, at the time the krysae took all the blame for good reasons, meanwhile the other weapons introduced in the very same dlc coupled with the new gear/classes were just about as powerful in the right hands but everyone was too busy with infiltrators/krysae .

But since then a lot of features were introduced that made the game easier overall for the player (FE/CE mechanic, boss headshot, new equipments etc). Add the flat out stronger weapons that were introduced in rebellion/earth. Now what was changed in order to compensate for these to keep the difficulty about the same?

[taplonaplo]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

The gun is what it is because:

1. It's an Ultra Rare.
2. Has the worst reserve ammo ever.
3. Weighs heavy enough for cooldown dependent caster classes to not use it.
4. Stability in cover is poor.

2. Falcon says hi.
4. Isn't that estabilished that it's a bug and it should have its in/out of cover stability reversed?

[friendlyfire1988]

Harrier + Ext. Magazine + Extended Barrel
Armor Piercing Rounds 3/4
Devestator Mode ON ...

nothing survives

[Nissun]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

The gun is what it is because:

1. It's an Ultra Rare.
2. Has the worst reserve ammo ever.
3. Weighs heavy enough for cooldown dependent caster classes to not use it.
4. Stability in cover is poor.

The six trillion adepts and engineers I have seen using it disagree.




PS:

4. Stability in cover is poor.

Lol, no.

[SandeProElite]

It's awful on Platinum since you keep running out of ammo. Getting only half your ammo capacity back from a single ammo box won't help either. You pretty much have to carry a back up weapon if you're going with the Harrier on Platinum. I can see Bronze and Silver players crying it to be OP but they really need to try it on Gold or higher to see it's huge downside.

[FlowCytometry]

These Harrier talks on BSN never end :/

[DrFace007]

rtbh99 wrote...

cowwy wrote...

rtbh99 wrote...

cant wait for it to get nerfed

it will truly be a wondrous day

Will your epeen grow three sizes that day?

I much prefer the BSN faberge egg tbh, the PPR. Though getting a Harrier would be nice.

no but i may have to pee a lot from drinking all of the babby tears

U drink baby tears?

[Poison_Berrie]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

That's because the average PUG cannot play this game to save their life. If we're balancing based on what the average PUG can do, then every single weapon in the game should be buffed to the level of pre-nerf Krysae, so that I can stop scoring 270k in games and having the next best score like 30k.

They might not be at your level, your Lordship, but I think your selling a lot of people short on skewed perception.

I only PUG (Silver and Gold) and most games I encounter people who are competent enough to make it through to extraction, without too much fuss in a good time.

EDIT: Though I agree that most assault rifles below Ultra-Rare could use a buff of some sort, most are only slightely  underperforming. I think it's wrong to hold the Harrier as the paragon of balance to which all other AR's should be measured.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 18 décembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[DrFace007]

Nissun wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

The gun is what it is because:

1. It's an Ultra Rare.
2. Has the worst reserve ammo ever.
3. Weighs heavy enough for cooldown dependent caster classes to not use it.
4. Stability in cover is poor.

The six trillion adepts and engineers I have seen using it disagree.




PS:

4. Stability in cover is poor.

Lol, no.

6 trillion. Wow this game used to be popular. That many people no longer play this game.

[DrFace007]

I have yet to encounter a public random team that was not good. I don't remember the last time a random public game did not result in extraction.

[UnRestrikted]

DrFace007 wrote...

I have yet to encounter a public random team that was not good. I don't remember the last time a random public game did not result in extraction.

Try playing a Platinum PUG without mics. Oh, and NOT on Firebase Rio.

[Tec187]

UnRestrikted wrote...

DrFace007 wrote...

I have yet to encounter a public random team that was not good. I don't remember the last time a random public game did not result in extraction.

Try playing a Platinum PUG without mics. Oh, and NOT on Firebase Rio.

Imho Plat shouldn't be PUG'able - and for the most part - it isn't.

[Domnuxx]

I think the only weapon capable of making the forums explode is the Claymore.

[Tankcommander]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

The gun is what it is because:

1. It's an Ultra Rare.
2. Has the worst reserve ammo ever.
3. Weighs heavy enough for cooldown dependent caster classes to not use it.
4. Stability in cover is poor.

5. It is the only AR that lives up to being an Assault Rifle. The rest are just peashooters/inaccurate lead sprayers.

[BridgeBurner]

Domnux wrote...

I think the only weapon capable of making the forums explode is the Claymore.

You just crossed the line. No one f*cks with my claymore and gets away with it!

Modifié par Annomander, 18 décembre 2012 - 02:18 .

[ochadd]

Harrier is one of a handful of guns that feel like real guns on Gold. When I pull the trigger the targets health bar should noticeably go down. Burning hundreds of rounds over 20 seconds of sustained fire to drop a MOB is no fun.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Annomander wrote...

Domnux wrote...

I think the only weapon capable of making the forums explode is the Claymore.

You just crossed the line. No one f*cks with my claymore and gets away with it!

Claymore is not a gun. Its a doomdaydevice

[Domnuxx]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Domnux wrote...

I think the only weapon capable of making the forums explode is the Claymore.

You just crossed the line. No one f*cks with my claymore and gets away with it!

Claymore is not a gun. Its a doomdaydevice

I know right? Probably the most balanced gun in the game. If Biower touches it, the MP forums will turn into the SP forums.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Domnux wrote...

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Domnux wrote...

I think the only weapon capable of making the forums explode is the Claymore.

You just crossed the line. No one f*cks with my claymore and gets away with it!

Claymore is not a gun. Its a doomdaydevice

I know right? Probably the most balanced gun in the game. If Biower touches it, the MP forums will turn into the SP forums.

Work on all classes.

Super Damage + Accuracy.

Manliness.

Its a Krogan Weapon

Now we need a 3 shots variant called Excalibur

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

What really bugs me on the harrier is not its full auto capability or high damage, it is just that every monkey could use it. The avenger (bad example, but meh) has bad bullet spread, the vindicator too much recoil to make its precision count, the phaeston still has some more spread etc......

The only gun that is as easy to use than the harrier is the GPR. And no one uses it because it is a super soaker - I open fire on an atlas, five hours later.....it is down. Well. No one would use that thing except for when needing a lightweight AR (though there are much better alternatives), using a geth class or just grinding a challenge.

Harrier's everywhere. Always. A destroy with a harrier is pretty much the most boring way to play ME3. Weapons should actually reward practice and skill when playing with them. Not just point, shoot, dead, like the harrier, the black widow, the hurricane......

You get it now. I see.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

What really bugs me on the harrier is not its full auto capability or high damage, it is just that every monkey could use it. The avenger (bad example, but meh) has bad bullet spread, the vindicator too much recoil to make its precision count, the phaeston still has some more spread etc......

The only gun that is as easy to use than the harrier is the GPR. And no one uses it because it is a super soaker - I open fire on an atlas, five hours later.....it is down. Well. No one would use that thing except for when needing a lightweight AR (though there are much better alternatives), using a geth class or just grinding a challenge.

Harrier's everywhere. Always. A destroy with a harrier is pretty much the most boring way to play ME3. Weapons should actually reward practice and skill when playing with them. Not just point, shoot, dead, like the harrier, the black widow, the hurricane......

You get it now. I see.

Switch out in cover/out of cover recoil. Add a bit of recoil to both. There you go, 99% of the playerbase can't use this gun anymore.

Or they'd use stability modules instead of Cyclonic/Adrenaline Modules, resulting in more deaths overall.

[Poison_Berrie]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Switch out in cover/out of cover recoil. 

They should do this before any other changes. Seriously they can't tell me this isn't a bug/mess up, yet they've never deemed to fix it and it's in part what makes the gun so easy to use overal.

[lktalon22]

I use it to kill stuff.