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[Brovikk Rasputin]

You still get everyone killed. Nice one. Way to be a hero.

[Jadebaby]

@Doomsday, and sacrifices had been made leading up to that point. Lots.

I appreciate and understand the idea, but I don't agree with it.

[Jadebaby]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

You still get everyone killed. Nice one. Way to be a hero.

Thank you!

[TheBlackBaron]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Yes it is.

Refuse is the coward's way out. You're not fighting for freedom. You're not fighting for "what you believe is right". You're letting every advanced sentient being in the galaxy die because you're crying about compromising your precious morals.

Shoot the damn tube and be done with it.

yes, because your statements clearly outweigh what the game is literally telling us.

You know what the the game is literally telling you?

Actually, I should amend that to -games-, since it's been hammering this point home since ME1. 

You cannot win with conventional force. You cannot win without the Crucible. Shepard has led one of the most charmed existences in human history, but even his sheer force of will won't alone be enough to carry the day. 

You might have missed that while pontificating over whether it's acceptable to not kill every advanced sentient being in the galaxy if doing so is morally squemish, but ignorance does not invalidate facts. I can choose to believe that my bank account has a $1,000,000,000 balance, but that doesn't make it so. 

[Jadebaby]

Sorry, you mustn't have read my other posts, tuned out at "conventional"

[Fixers0]

Refuse is the only ending that is both plausable and comprensible.

[nos_astra]

Fixers0 wrote...
Refuse is the only ending that is both plausable and comprensible.

Well, as plausible and comprehensible as ME3 can get.

You still have to put up with everyone dancing around a nonsensical, contrived plot device like a bunch of morons. And dance with them for a good part. 

Modifié par klarabella, 18 décembre 2012 - 08:16 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...



Thank you to:
TheProtheans
Bill Casey,
Nimrodell,
Angry Frozen Water,
Shotgun Julia,
AresKeith

All your posts brightened up my day, as you all at least have the empathy enough to understand the choice even if you don't accept it.

[MegaSovereign]

I reject Jade's list.

[DirtyPhoenix]

haha

[DirtyPhoenix]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I reject refuse Jade's list.

Fixed.

[MegaSovereign]

pirate1802 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I reject refuse Jade's list.

Fixed.

SO BE IT

[Jadebaby]

I had a long day, sorry peeps, will adjust accordingly

[DirtyPhoenix]

Husks have feelings now? Synthesis already has occurred !!

[Zjarcal]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

...some of these posters don't even deserve a response...

Agree with OP, get a nice warm reply about how awesome you are, smileys included! 

Disagree with OP, COLD SHOULDER OF DOOM!

[TheBlackBaron]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Sorry, you mustn't have read my other posts, tuned out at "conventional"

No, I have. All I see is the same tired denials insisting that it requires metagaming to know that the Crucible is required.

That is, metagaming or basic reading and listening comprehension. 

In fact, quite the opposite is true, since only by banking on knowing that this is a game and that certain things tend to happen to protagonists of fiction can one argue that maybe Refusal won't lead to abject defeat. In other words, the very essence of metagaming. 

Unfortunately for all Refusers hoping that achieveing a moral victory leads to achieveing an actual victory (and to be fair, given how Bioware treats Paragon options that is not an illogical metagaming assumption) Bioware slams that door shut quite clearly. 

[Applepie_Svk]

Bill Casey wrote...

Emily Wong is dead, though...

priceless.... <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well we may not have won the war, but we gave them hell. The retreated into dark space before they were finished with their harvest because there's Asari in the "Stargazer" scene. This says there was enough to propagate a gene pool. This tells me we fought them to a stalemate where both sides were beaten. We fought with honor. Perhaps the war didn't last a year. Perhaps it lasted a century. Perhaps it lasted long enough for cryocells to be built for enough people to carry on in archives for the next cycle like the Protheans planned for themselves.

Liara's Archives would have contained the complete knowledge of the Asari and Protheans, and everything she learned in her travels with Shepard, and what she learned during the war.

One has to ask oneself this question: what is so special about our cycle that wouldn't be filled by the next?

Once you answer that, and you see the refuse stargazer scene, you see that refuse isn't a bad ending at all.

[Jadebaby]

Zjarcal wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

...some of these posters don't even deserve a response...

Agree with OP, get a nice warm reply about how awesome you are, smileys included! 

Disagree with OP, COLD SHOULDER OF DOOM!

Not at all, MegaSovereign, Pirate, AFW and a couple of others didn't agree with me. But they were respectful about it.

Yea, don't cross me

lulz just kidding, i'm super nice!

TheBlackBaron wrote...
No, I have. All I see is the same tired denials insisting that it requires metagaming to know that the Crucible is required.

*snippity snip*

I wasn't talking about metagaming at all. I was talking about the tired argument of "GOsH! Convenshinal Viktoriz impusibru!"

When the fact is, there is a gigantic size gap between a conventional victory, in it's proper terms, and the RGB endings. It is possible and I believe BioWare have the capability to write it that way.

Yes, the Reapers are talked up, but if you pay just as much attention, they are also talked down. And by more knowledgable NPC's about the situation; Vigil > Hackett.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 18 décembre 2012 - 09:17 .

[dorktainian]

indeed

[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Well we may not have won the war, but we gave them hell. The retreated into dark space before they were finished with their harvest because there's Asari in the "Stargazer" scene. This says there was enough to propagate a gene pool. This tells me we fought them to a stalemate where both sides were beaten. We fought with honor. Perhaps the war didn't last a year. Perhaps it lasted a century. Perhaps it lasted long enough for cryocells to be built for enough people to carry on in archives for the next cycle like the Protheans planned for themselves.

Liara's Archives would have contained the complete knowledge of the Asari and Protheans, and everything she learned in her travels with Shepard, and what she learned during the war.

One has to ask oneself this question: what is so special about our cycle that wouldn't be filled by the next?

Once you answer that, and you see the refuse stargazer scene, you see that refuse isn't a bad ending at all.

If the Prothean cycle took centuries and they were taken completely by surprise and overwhelmed easily because their cycle wasn't as diverse as ours. Then I could see our cycle taking 10x longer than theirs.

[shepard1038]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Well we may not have won the war, but we gave them hell. The retreated into dark space before they were finished with their harvest because there's Asari in the "Stargazer" scene. This says there was enough to propagate a gene pool. This tells me we fought them to a stalemate where both sides were beaten. We fought with honor. Perhaps the war didn't last a year. Perhaps it lasted a century. Perhaps it lasted long enough for cryocells to be built for enough people to carry on in archives for the next cycle like the Protheans planned for themselves.

Liara's Archives would have contained the complete knowledge of the Asari and Protheans, and everything she learned in her travels with Shepard, and what she learned during the war.

One has to ask oneself this question: what is so special about our cycle that wouldn't be filled by the next?

Once you answer that, and you see the refuse stargazer scene, you see that refuse isn't a bad ending at all.

If the Prothean cycle took centuries and they were taken completely by surprise and overwhelmed easily because their cycle wasn't as diverse as ours. Then I could see our cycle taking 10x longer than theirs.

Yes, but they were more advanced and had conquered 1% of the galaxy. We aren't as spread out as they are.Liara even says that. We just don't have the firepower to challenge the reapers.

Modifié par shepard1038, 18 décembre 2012 - 09:30 .