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[Samtheman63]

refuse is idiotic imo. you just spent the entire game gathering resources and allies to build the crucible as it's your one and only shot to defeat the reapers, you finally finish it, defy the odds again by actually reaching the citadel and then.. don't use it!?! what the ****, seriously.

you should know damn well conventional victory isn't possible, so even if you believe its highly likely the crucible won't work you've gotta try it anyway, theres no other option. other than dooming the entire galaxy obviously.

[Necrotron]

Refuse seems like a logical choice if you assume that the catalyst is trying to trick and manipulate you like he did to Saren, the Illusive Man, etc. etc. It only seems natural for Shepard to try and find his own way to fire the crucible without taking the Reapers word on how to do it (since obviously they have incentive to lie and have done so before).

But everyone has their own opinion, and will seek to insult anyone who has a different opinion, that's the nature of these boards.

My own choice was simply to shut the game off at that point. It wasn't fun or satisfying, so I went to do something else.

Modifié par Bathaius, 18 décembre 2012 - 09:42 .

[dorktainian]

ah different games. yeah they're great. love that GW2 at the mo as well as a little heard game called Dead Island. yay zombies.

[SpamBot2000]

I think I finally see what's going on here. The sad truth is that the feeling of being tough and determined enough to 'face the reality' and 'make a hard choice' is the ONLY source of positive emotion from the ending for a lot of these people who 'accept' or 'can live with' it. When they see something questioning their sole reward from the game, they are threatened with the abyss the rest of us face and get defensive.

[dorktainian]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

I think I finally see what's going on here. The sad truth is that the feeling of being tough and determined enough to 'face the reality' and 'make a hard choice' is the ONLY source of positive emotion from the ending for a lot of these people who 'accept' or 'can live with' it. When they see something questioning their sole reward from the game, they are threatened with the abyss the rest of us face and get defensive.

 

i had a view destroy was the answer, then the scales fell from my eyes and i accept refuse is possibly the way to go.  Why do people accept the catalyst is the only way to defeat the reapers? how do they know?  why is anyone who questions taking star brats choices at face value scorned by the rest of the community?

i've said before that bioware is megatrollin us all.  creating conflict within the group and laffin little apples while we squabble.

[Jadebaby]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

I think I finally see what's going on here. The sad truth is that the feeling of being tough and determined enough to 'face the reality' and 'make a hard choice' is the ONLY source of positive emotion from the ending for a lot of these people who 'accept' or 'can live with' it. When they see something questioning their sole reward from the game, they are threatened with the abyss the rest of us face and get defensive.

Well they certainly appear defensive. Which is ironic considering it's my thread and most of their comments don't even phase me lol.

Well, they did yesterday but I was le tired.

[TheBlackBaron]

geceka wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Going through the Omega-4 Relay, we were told it was -supposed- be a suicide mission, but there was no real evidence of why.

There's a gigantic difference here, compared to the war against the Reapers: Nobody knew what was beyond the Omega-4 relay – it was only assumed that the mission must be dangerous, because the Collectors are, in fact, dangerous. There has been talk about an entire Collector "planet" possibly lying beyond the relay, and that it was "just" a base with a single ship guarding it was actually a much better proposition than had been anticipated.

With the Reapers, however, well, they are in the galaxy right now, obliterating the military of every single species, with no leader having the slightest idea how to beat them, apart from taking chances with the Crucible: Sovereign announced that the Reapers were powerful, and up to the beginning of ME3, well, yes, you could technically claim that maybe the Reaper wars will be like the attack on the Collectors: The dangers exaggerated greatly. However, the force with which they attacked only backed up your worst fears.

In short: The dangers of going beyond the Omega-4 relay were based on speculation. The dangers of the Reapers are evident, happening right there in front of everyone's eyes. They are proven. That's a huge difference.

You've misunderstood. The salient point of my post was exactly what yours is here.

I'm glad we're in agreement, though. 

[Jadebaby]

@TheBlackBaron. No wonder you didn't refuse, with all those shiny colours, you never had a hope.

[Massa FX]

Nooo Jade!!!!

"Save as many as you can". "We can't win this war conventionally." "Destroy or be Destroyed!" - There is no Refuse. There's never been a Refuse.

Don't give up Jade.

[Jadebaby]

I tried Massa, I tried..

Send my love to the children in your ending, as I wont see them in mine...

[Massa FX]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I tried Massa, I tried..

Send my love to the children in your ending, as I wont see them in mine...

[Dysjong]

Jade

It's simple, don't push me. I don't mind that Dorktainian have he/she opinion and reasons for sticking with whatever ending might be, each to there own. But when somebody can only accept one thing and only that, trying to force it on me? Then i bite.

Regarding the reapers and my comment about them only telling the truth. That's how i view it, based upon the conversations i've had with 3 reapers and the catalyst. How they wage a war is something different.

[Nimrodell]

dorktainian wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

I think I finally see what's going on here. The sad truth is that the feeling of being tough and determined enough to 'face the reality' and 'make a hard choice' is the ONLY source of positive emotion from the ending for a lot of these people who 'accept' or 'can live with' it. When they see something questioning their sole reward from the game, they are threatened with the abyss the rest of us face and get defensive.

 

i had a view destroy was the answer, then the scales fell from my eyes and i accept refuse is possibly the way to go.  Why do people accept the catalyst is the only way to defeat the reapers? how do they know?  why is anyone who questions taking star brats choices at face value scorned by the rest of the community?

i've said before that bioware is megatrollin us all.  creating conflict within the group and laffin little apples while we squabble.

Well, you shouldn't be actually asking those questions, because in your Shep's universe you made the right call for you. On Ieldra's famous topic on synthesis I answered why I decided how I decided - lived in war and poverty since 1990 caused by the very similar prejudices like in Mass Effect (your nationality, religion or political conviction determines if you're worth living and if you'll be marked as victim of a war crime or mere collateral damage)... So, since I've seen and experienced what war is actually and how valuable every life is, no matter how majority percieves things, I made my choice in my Mass Effect universe and I do respect other people's choices. If you're interested in that point of view in order to undertsand why some people choose this or that (and it's very personal and individual) read this long post of mine, explaining my reasons for my Shepard's choice (at the bottom of the page) and perhaps, the next time the answer to your questions will present itself - we all come from different parts of the world, different background (national, historical, sociological, even in education, experience, etc.), and that's why people choose what they choose . (Jade will remember those posts back then , after all she was one of the posters).

Modifié par Nimrodell, 18 décembre 2012 - 11:35 .

[Jadebaby]

Dysjong wrote...

Jade

It's simple, don't push me. I don't mind that Dorktainian have he/she opinion and reasons for sticking with whatever ending might be, each to there own. But when somebody can only accept one thing and only that, trying to force it on me? Then i bite.

Regarding the reapers and my comment about them only telling the truth. That's how i view it, based upon the conversations i've had with 3 reapers and the catalyst. How they wage a war is something different.

He hasn't displayed he only accepts one thing, he has an IT interpretation and likes refuse, those are mutually exclusive beliefs.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 18 décembre 2012 - 11:41 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Dysjong wrote...

Jade

It's simple, don't push me. I don't mind that Dorktainian have he/she opinion and reasons for sticking with whatever ending might be, each to there own. But when somebody can only accept one thing and only that, trying to force it on me? Then i bite.

Regarding the reapers and my comment about them only telling the truth. That's how i view it, based upon the conversations i've had with 3 reapers and the catalyst. How they wage a war is something different.

He hasn't displayed he only accepts one thing, he has an IT interpretation and likes refuse, those are mutually exclusive beliefs.

Exactly I like both.

[M Hedonist]

Rip504 wrote...

A single Individual Prothean. Proves ALL/A LOT of life will survive is very laughable.

It only proves that the possibility is there. Yet you continue to insist that, in every possible scenario, everybody dies no matter what.
You can argue that it is unlikely. But you cannot argue that it is impossible.

How many times have the Reapers successfully killed everyone in the Galaxy?

How many times did a man manage to unite the entire galaxy to fight the Reapers?

Modifié par Sauruz, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:07 .

[Jadebaby]

Yep, much respect Nimrodell, those were good times.

[Jadebaby]

Sauruz wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

How many times have the Reapers successfully killed everyone in the Galaxy?

How many times did a man manage to unite the entire galaxy to fight the Reapers?

How many times did the Reapers have to find an alternate way into the galaxy?

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:13 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

How many times have the Reapers successfully killed everyone in the Galaxy?

How many times did a man manage to unite the entire galaxy to fight the Reapers?

How many times did the Reapers have to find an alternate way into the galaxy?

This cycle is different. That's for sure.

[CronoDragoon]

You are choosing Refuse out of a noble principle and, consequences aside, it's clearly the most virtuous decision.

Looking only at consequences, it's the worst decision you can make.

Ultimately, choosing Refuse will come down to whether or not consequences can overrule principle.

Or if you think uniting the galaxy is enough to beat the Reapers, despite everyone in the game saying it's not, go for it.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:18 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

@TheBlackBaron. No wonder you didn't refuse, with all those shiny colours, you never had a hope.

Ooh, snark.

I like how using rational judgement is now being equated with being distracted shiny colors. Really gives an insight into the mind of the typical Refuser. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:19 .

[Aaleel]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

How many times have the Reapers successfully killed everyone in the Galaxy?

How many times did a man manage to unite the entire galaxy to fight the Reapers?

How many times did the Reapers have to find an alternate way into the galaxy?

We don't know the answer to any questions concernig the reapers because all we have knowledge of is our cycle and partial knowledge of the Prothean cycle.  Anything else we don't know.

But what I do know is what I saw in the game, and when I compare losses on the organic side to losses on the reaper side, there's no way.  Especially when you consider the reapers weren't even trying to outright destroy us, they were trying to harvest us.  We don't even have a clue about reapers full capabilites. 

[M Hedonist]

Aaleel wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

How many times have the Reapers successfully killed everyone in the Galaxy?

How many times did a man manage to unite the entire galaxy to fight the Reapers?

How many times did the Reapers have to find an alternate way into the galaxy?

We don't know the answer to any questions concernig the reapers because all we have knowledge of is our cycle and partial knowledge of the Prothean cycle.  Anything else we don't know.

But what I do know is what I saw in the game, and when I compare losses on the organic side to losses on the reaper side, there's no way.  Especially when you consider the reapers weren't even trying to outright destroy us, they were trying to harvest us.  We don't even have a clue about reapers full capabilites. 

Oh yes, conventional victory is extremely unlikely.
But survival? Not so unlikely, imo. I'm talking about preserving some of each species, similar to what the Protheans tried to do, only, hopefully, more successful.

[BansheeOwnage]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

@TheBlackBaron. No wonder you didn't refuse, with all those shiny colours, you never had a hope.

Ooh, snark.

I like how using rational judgement is now being equated with being distracted shiny colors. Really gives an insight into the mind of the typical Refuser. 

Nice useless insulting generality!

[CronoDragoon]

Sauruz wrote...
Oh yes, conventional victory is extremely unlikely.
But survival? Not so unlikely, imo. I'm talking about preserving some of each species, similar to what the Protheans tried to do, only, hopefully, more successful.

I'm just imagining the level of rage that type of ending would have sparked.