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[M Hedonist]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Sauruz wrote...
Oh yes, conventional victory is extremely unlikely.
But survival? Not so unlikely, imo. I'm talking about preserving some of each species, similar to what the Protheans tried to do, only, hopefully, more successful.

I'm just imagining the level of rage that type of ending would have sparked.

Honestly, I don't think it could've been more than that ending did, anyway.
I mean, there were dozens of threads made about how Refuse is just a middle-finger to the fans from the devs, and some people still insist that is the case.

Modifié par Sauruz, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[CronoDragoon]

Sauruz wrote...
Honestly, I don't think it could've been more than that ending did, anyway.
I mean, there were dozens of threads made about how Refuse is just a middle-finger to the fans from the devs, and some people still insist that is the case.

Oh, you mean putting Survival ending in instead of Refuse, like after the OEs were already released?

[Aaleel]

Sauruz wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

How many times have the Reapers successfully killed everyone in the Galaxy?

How many times did a man manage to unite the entire galaxy to fight the Reapers?

How many times did the Reapers have to find an alternate way into the galaxy?

We don't know the answer to any questions concernig the reapers because all we have knowledge of is our cycle and partial knowledge of the Prothean cycle.  Anything else we don't know.

But what I do know is what I saw in the game, and when I compare losses on the organic side to losses on the reaper side, there's no way.  Especially when you consider the reapers weren't even trying to outright destroy us, they were trying to harvest us.  We don't even have a clue about reapers full capabilites. 

Oh yes, conventional victory is extremely unlikely.
But survival? Not so unlikely, imo. I'm talking about preserving some of each species, similar to what the Protheans tried to do, only, hopefully, more successful.

Something like Ilos?  I guess it all depends on how meticulous the reapers are compared to the stories.  The Protheans probably started Ilos earlier than our cycle would have.  After the battle at Earth, the network is gone.  The Citadel and maybe the relays are out of our hands going forward.  Plus you have to build it without the reapers finding out.

Not saying its impossible, but it would be harder.  Honestly if it were me, I'd sneak onto a planet of one of the none reaped races and hide out , leave some information for them when they become space faring.

[M Hedonist]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Sauruz wrote...
Honestly, I don't think it could've been more than that ending did, anyway.
I mean, there were dozens of threads made about how Refuse is just a middle-finger to the fans from the devs, and some people still insist that is the case.

Oh, you mean putting Survival ending in instead of Refuse, like after the OEs were already released?

Wait, what do you mean?
Generally, I'm not saying this is what Bioware should do or should've done, I'm just picturing a possible scenario for what could happen in the Refuse ending, since it's mostly open for interpretation.
But in this case, I'm saying that this kind of ending probably would've caused less backlash than the completely open Refuse ending. But, by some accounts, a Refuse ending where you got to see the troops die in battle would've been better than what we got, too. I guess what people were mostly angry about was the utter lack of closure.

[string3r]

Eh refuse feels selfish to me, I didn't come all this way just for nothing.

[Massa FX]

Sauruz wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Sauruz wrote...
Honestly, I don't think it could've been more than that ending did, anyway.
I mean, there were dozens of threads made about how Refuse is just a middle-finger to the fans from the devs, and some people still insist that is the case.

Oh, you mean putting Survival ending in instead of Refuse, like after the OEs were already released?

Wait, what do you mean?
Generally, I'm not saying this is what Bioware should do or should've done, I'm just picturing a possible scenario for what could happen in the Refuse ending, since it's mostly open for interpretation.
But in this case, I'm saying that this kind of ending probably would've caused less backlash than the completely open Refuse ending. But, by some accounts, a Refuse ending where you got to see the troops die in battle would've been better than what we got, too. I guess what people were mostly angry about was the utter lack of closure.

For me, putting in the option to successfully shoot, kill, or blow up the Catalysts blue box and thus defeat the Reapers would have been a wonderful alternative. As it is, when EC came out and I shot the Catalyst in it's head, I had a very rude surprise. But, then I laughed because I knew it was Bioware's way of saying to fans "You asked. We gave. Surprise!!!"

anyway....    <_<

Time to do something else for the evening. Enough BSN for now. Goodnight!

Modifié par Massa FX, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:45 .

[M Hedonist]

Aaleel wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

How many times have the Reapers successfully killed everyone in the Galaxy?

How many times did a man manage to unite the entire galaxy to fight the Reapers?

How many times did the Reapers have to find an alternate way into the galaxy?

We don't know the answer to any questions concernig the reapers because all we have knowledge of is our cycle and partial knowledge of the Prothean cycle.  Anything else we don't know.

But what I do know is what I saw in the game, and when I compare losses on the organic side to losses on the reaper side, there's no way.  Especially when you consider the reapers weren't even trying to outright destroy us, they were trying to harvest us.  We don't even have a clue about reapers full capabilites. 

Oh yes, conventional victory is extremely unlikely.
But survival? Not so unlikely, imo. I'm talking about preserving some of each species, similar to what the Protheans tried to do, only, hopefully, more successful.

Something like Ilos?  I guess it all depends on how meticulous the reapers are compared to the stories.  The Protheans probably started Ilos earlier than our cycle would have.  After the battle at Earth, the network is gone.  The Citadel and maybe the relays are out of our hands going forward.  Plus you have to build it without the reapers finding out.

Not saying its impossible, but it would be harder.  Honestly if it were me, I'd sneak onto a planet of one of the none reaped races and hide out , leave some information for them when they become space faring.

That actually brings up an interesting question.
What if some people just got onto a planet with less-developed species, abandoned all technology and lived like the locals? Would the Reapers even still consider them part of an advanced civilization?

[spirosz]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

It's okay, Banshee. She forgot me too.

Bro hug?

And me, sadface. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I had a long day, sorry peeps, will adjust accordingly

You're the best!  Though I probably didn't contribute too much.

@Nihlus Alright. *Hug* Who else wants a hug?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 19 décembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[TheProtheans]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

when in fact the mounting body of evidence over the course of the series (and ME3 specifically) confirms rather than contradicts the idea that beating the Reapers without the Crucible is impossible. 

What evidence?

[M Hedonist]

They already had an Adam&Eve ending, they might as well have added a Noah's Ark ending too; get two of each species on a (space) ark that somehow withstands the flood (of giant death machines). And the implications are just as horribly incestuous, as well.

[Jadebaby]

Sauruz wrote...

They already had an Adam&Eve ending, they might as well have added a Noah's Ark ending too; get two of each species on a (space) ark that somehow withstands the flood (of giant death machines). And the implications are just as horribly incestuous, as well.

 oh my sides!

@Spirosz.. Sorry bro *fistbump*

[shepskisaac]

Multiple characters in the game keep telling you that conventional victory is impossible and that the Crucible is the galaxy's only chance. The story establishes it clearly that you can't beat the Reapers 'if you just try hard enough'. Refuse is a fully concious death sentence for all space-faring races in the Galaxy.

[BansheeOwnage]

IsaacShep wrote...

Multiple characters in the game keep telling you that conventional victory is impossible and that the Crucible is the galaxy's only chance. The story establishes it clearly that you can't beat the Reapers 'if you just try hard enough'. Refuse is a fully concious death sentence for all space-faring races in the Galaxy.

Keep in mind that everyone said going through the Omega-4 relay was impossible too. And plenty of other things Shepard has done. Shepard has made a career off of achieving the impossible. That's kind of the point of a story like this.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Sauruz wrote...

That actually brings up an interesting question.
What if some people just got onto a planet with less-developed species, abandoned all technology and lived like the locals? Would the Reapers even still consider them part of an advanced civilization?

This is an interesting question. They don't even really have to abandon it. Just bury it, deep, and live like the locals topside. Yes, they would be considered part of the local civilization. There are billions of stars in the galaxy. The current advanced civilizations span only a small fraction of them. They could find a habitable planet whose mass relay had not been unlocked, settle, take whatever tech they needed, do whatever they needed.

It would take perhaps decades maybe centuries before the reapers would even look. Bury their technical knowhow deep in archives, autopilot their starships into the sun. Then in 1000 years when their civilization has populated that world start opening that archive and advancing, and dominate the galaxy, and take on the reapers while they sleep.

Like I said, if you look at the stargazer it is an Asari. We gave them hell. They did not do a complete reaping. Heck that might even be Liara or her daughter. Or we gave civilizations time to build more underground archives like the Ilos. Wiping out a galaxy this time is going to be a hell of a lot more difficult for them than it was for the Prothean Cycle. We can move around. Hide. They couldn't.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Sauruz wrote...

They already had an Adam&Eve ending, they might as well have added a Noah's Ark ending too; get two of each species on a (space) ark that somehow withstands the flood (of giant death machines). And the implications are just as horribly incestuous, as well.

No no no. I'm having visions of Jeff Foxworthy here.

[shepskisaac]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Keep in mind that everyone said going through the Omega-4 relay was impossible too. And plenty of other things Shepard has done. Shepard has made a career off of achieving the impossible. That's kind of the point of a story like this.

No, TIM and Cerberus thought that it wasn't impossible, that's why they recruited Shep and had him recruit others to pull it off. Everyone else thought it was impossible, but the story was constructed from the beginning around achieving it. Not in ME3. Everyone thinks conventional victory is impossible and you're being told it again and again.

[BansheeOwnage]

IsaacShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Keep in mind that everyone said going through the Omega-4 relay was impossible too. And plenty of other things Shepard has done. Shepard has made a career off of achieving the impossible. That's kind of the point of a story like this.

No, TIM and Cerberus thought that it wasn't impossible, that's why they recruited Shep and had him recruit others to pull it off. Everyone else thought it was impossible, but the story was constructed from the beginning around achieving it. Not in ME3. Everyone thinks conventional victory is impossible and you're being told it again and again.

I still think Shepard's done enough cool things that it could go either way. I mean, not everyone has to think it's impossible, but most do.

[Hey]

I like it. Sticking with "my" gut has served me well.