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[DeinonSlayer]

Galbrant wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Eh... I pretty much chose refuse for the same reason OP. Along with the fact the Catalyst has no evidence to back up its asinine claims and there is the issue of trust. Because he is the freaking Reaper creator. Which makes me to take anything it says with a grain of salt. The only reason people chose the other three options because they knew the results beforehand. Any person with an ounce of logic would refuse the catalyst every time.

It's unfortunate that the result is a case of bad writing with a middle finger..

Well, when your choice comes down to "will lose" or "might win," you go with "might win."

I shoot the tube.

Again you chose this because you knew the result. 

You don't know me. You're wrong, but if you insist on believing this about me, it's not worth my time to convince you otherwise because you clearly won't listen to a thing I say.

[Bill Casey]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

This. All of this. Pretending that refuse can lead to an actual victory (instead of a short-lived "moral" one followed by centuries of screaming... then silence...)

If you view the stargazer scene literally, it's not a short lived moral victory...
It's a moral victory that lives on ten thousand years later...

Too bad everyones dead and trilions of people don't get to appreaciate the morals of it.

Not really a victory.

Yes really a victory...
The fact that you can't comprehend why it's a victory doesn't make it any less of one...

[DeinonSlayer]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So you chose to do nothing and everyone died.

Failure in other words.

DO NOTHING AND DIE or FLIP OF THE COIN WITH MAD AI AND -MAYBE- WIN...

Fixed.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

no, it's natural selection. The races squandered the three years you gave them to prepare. They threw obstacles up in front of you when you were helping them. You were thrown in prison for helping them and buying them another 6 months to prepare. They whined and moaned like ninnies not knowing what to do and acted all surprised when what you warned them about finally did arrive. Then wanted you to save them from it. Hackett has all the battle imagination of wearing red and marching in a straight line yelling shoot me. He bets the bank on the Crucible after not doing jack for three years. You know at some point you just say frell it.

Refuse isn't giving up. You're given the choices of Dumb, Dumber, and Dumbest, which one is which I have no idea. Refuse at least gives you an opportunity to see your character one more time before death since you die anyway, even in destroy because how can you survive a nuclear blast like that? (look at the crucible explosion)

So call for a pickup, and get the hell out of there, leave the battle, find some world off the grid and live out your lives.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 18 décembre 2012 - 01:49 .

[Clayless]

Bill Casey wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Too bad everyones dead and trilions of people don't get to appreaciate the morals of it.

Not really a victory.

Yes really a victory...
The fact that you can't comprehend why it's a victory doesn't make it any less of one...

Pretty sure "I'm not going to counter your argument because you can't comprehend mine" is one of the worst replies possible.

[DeinonSlayer]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Too bad everyones dead and trilions of people don't get to appreaciate the morals of it.

Not really a victory.

Yes really a victory...
The fact that you can't comprehend why it's a victory doesn't make it any less of one...

Pretty sure "I'm not going to counter your argument because you can't comprehend mine" is one of the worst replies possible.

It's deep, maaaan!

[Applepie_Svk]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

This. All of this. Pretending that refuse can lead to an actual victory (instead of a short-lived "moral" one followed by centuries of screaming... then silence...)

If you view the stargazer scene literally, it's not a short lived moral victory...
It's a moral victory that lives on ten thousand years later...

Too bad everyones dead and trilions of people don't get to appreaciate the morals of it.

Not really a victory.

Oh come one, there was lot of cycles before and all of them died because they have a never even little chance against Reapers, most if not all of them never saw Crucible or Citadel after lockdow, are we playing right now - the lifes are at stake or what ? As said Vendetta - Lifes are always at stake... if next cylce won on their own than it was worth it, much better than subduing everyone and everything into agenda of some flawed AI... 

[Dysjong]

Galbrant, that is wrong in every word. I took synthesis the day i was done with this game (sunday 11th march) and i would do it again.

[Applepie_Svk]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So you chose to do nothing and everyone died.

Failure in other words.

DO NOTHING AND DIE or FLIP OF THE COIN WITH MAD AI AND -MAYBE- WIN...

Fixed.

metagaming is bad thing, do you know ?

[Zardoc]

Bill Casey wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

This. All of this. Pretending that refuse can lead to an actual victory (instead of a short-lived "moral" one followed by centuries of screaming... then silence...)

If you view the stargazer scene literally, it's not a short lived moral victory...
It's a moral victory that lives on ten thousand years later...

Too bad everyones dead and trilions of people don't get to appreaciate the morals of it.

Not really a victory.

Yes really a victory...
The fact that you can't comprehend why it's a victory doesn't make it any less of one...

Are you honestly trying to argue that Refuse is a victory in any way, shape or form? Really? The loss of another cycle, all your friends, trillions of lives, all because of some "moral code" of yours? That is a victory? Knight Templar doesn't even begin to describe the kind of person that would do something so mindbreakingly stupid and arguably evil.

[DeinonSlayer]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So you chose to do nothing and everyone died.

Failure in other words.

DO NOTHING AND DIE or FLIP OF THE COIN WITH MAD AI AND -MAYBE- WIN...

Fixed.

metagaming is bad thing, do you know ?

I'm not metagaming. We KNOW by now the fleet can't win, and I'm not one to pretend otherwise. Fleet falls, galaxy follows. And despite the platitudes people spit out here, that is NOT an acceptable outcome. Hell yes, I'd take my chances with Destroy. It's refusers bragging about the next cycle's victory who are metagaming.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 18 décembre 2012 - 01:59 .

[Clayless]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Too bad everyones dead and trilions of people don't get to appreaciate the morals of it.

Not really a victory.

Oh come one, there was lot of cycles before and all of them died because they have a never even little chance against Reapers, most if not all of them never saw Crucible or Citadel after lockdow, are we playing right now - the lifes are at stake or what ? As said Vendetta - Lifes are always at stake... if next cylce won on their own than it was worth it, much better than subduing everyone and everything into agenda of some flawed AI... 

The next cycle win without war, implying they used some sort of superweapon, most likely the Crucible as it's the most advanced one in history and is sitting there ready to be built.

[KwangtungTiger]

mass perfection wrote...

You guys aren't very good at this.Geth and Quarian peace is pretty much temporary.Out of the five admirals that pretty much lead the Quarian people,one wants to destroy the Geth,another wants to control them,two want peace,and the other is undecided.Synthetics see us as a threat because we either:
A.Fear them and want to destroy every last one of them.
B.Feel that as our creators,we should control them.

Quarians were almost wiped out because they feared the Geth and tried to destroy them.If the Quarians let the Geth advance to the point where they can make independent decisions then the Geth would rebel because they wouldn't like to be slaves.

As in my previous post.....

Zha'til and the Geth were both destroyed by organics. The premise that synthetics will always destoy organics is wrong. This is proven in game.

[KwangtungTiger]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So you chose to do nothing and everyone died.

Failure in other words.

DO NOTHING AND DIE or FLIP OF THE COIN WITH MAD AI AND -MAYBE- WIN...

Fixed.

metagaming is bad thing, do you know ?

I'm not metagaming. We KNOW by now the fleet can't win, and I'm not one to pretend otherwise. Fleet falls, galaxy follows. And despite the platitudes people spit out here, that is NOT an acceptable outcome. Hell yes, I'd take my chances with Destroy. It's refusers bragging about the next cycle's victory who are metagaming.

First and foremost no one has a clue what will happen once its put together(this is also stated in game). You have to believe that your enemy and slyer of untold numbers is tell you.

[Aaleel]

I can't believe people are actually saying that everyone dying after choosing refuse is some big assumption or that saying it is metagaming.

You're beaten over the head with the fact that you can't beat the reapers for the entire game. Earth is a last ditch effort to use the crucible. What's left of your ground forces are decimated on the Earth, and the fleet isn't faring much better.

You don't need to metagame to know that the cycle is going to continue. Compare the reaper losses over the course of the game to the losses by the advanced organic races. no one should need metagaming to know that the situation outside using the crucible is hopeless.

If you want to say you wanted to be able to sleep at night afterwards fine, but please don't say I had no idea the galaxy was going to be reaped and the cycle was going to continue.

Modifié par Aaleel, 18 décembre 2012 - 02:24 .

[TheProtheans]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Too bad everyones dead and trilions of people don't get to appreaciate the morals of it.

Not really a victory.

Oh come one, there was lot of cycles before and all of them died because they have a never even little chance against Reapers, most if not all of them never saw Crucible or Citadel after lockdow, are we playing right now - the lifes are at stake or what ? As said Vendetta - Lifes are always at stake... if next cylce won on their own than it was worth it, much better than subduing everyone and everything into agenda of some flawed AI... 

The next cycle win without war, implying they used some sort of superweapon, most likely the Crucible as it's the most advanced one in history and is sitting there ready to be built.

Actually that time wasn't implied as doing anything other than finding Liara's Beacon and hearing of what happened.
They think they live in peace because they're not dead, they possibly have not even found the citadel yet.
For all we know the Reapers were stopped in this cycle.

[TheProtheans]

Aaleel wrote...

I can't believe people are actually saying that everyone dying after choosing refuse is some big assumption or that saying it is metagaming.

You're beaten over the head with the fact that you can't beat the reapers for the entire game. Earth is a last ditch effort to use the crucible. What's left of your ground forces are decimated on the Earth, and the fleet isn't faring much better.

You don't need to metagame to know that the cycle is going to continue. Compare the reaper losses over the course of the game to the losses by the advanced organic races. no one should need metagaming to know that the situation outside using the crucible is hopeless.

If you want to say you wanted to be able to sleep at night afterwards fine, but please don't say I had no idea the galaxy was going to be reaped and the cycle was going to continue.

Metagaming, it is really easy to beat the Reapers.
It is clear something is making them dumber as each second passes, if you hold out and refuse you will win.
Why else do you think the Catalyst is in a rush to make you choose.

[ThaDPG]

Zardoc wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

This. All of this. Pretending that refuse can lead to an actual victory (instead of a short-lived "moral" one followed by centuries of screaming... then silence...)

If you view the stargazer scene literally, it's not a short lived moral victory...
It's a moral victory that lives on ten thousand years later...

Too bad everyones dead and trilions of people don't get to appreaciate the morals of it.

Not really a victory.

Yes really a victory...
The fact that you can't comprehend why it's a victory doesn't make it any less of one...

Are you honestly trying to argue that Refuse is a victory in any way, shape or form? Really? The loss of another cycle, all your friends, trillions of lives, all because of some "moral code" of yours? That is a victory? Knight Templar doesn't even begin to describe the kind of person that would do something so mindbreakingly stupid and arguably evil.

Do you seriously think Shepard refused and just stood there staring blankly at the star kid?  You don't think there was more to it than what BW showed?  SO BE IT! BAM! everybody dead in an instant! Um no, look at it from Shepard's point of view, all 3 choices star kid presented to Shepard were morally dubious in some way, and since to this point Shepard has been successful in pulling off the impossible, how would he know what's coming in the future if he refuses to bend his knee to star kid?

[Sejborg]

Letting everyone die for what you believe in is really a tough choice to make.

I could not do that.

[Rip504]

Sauruz wrote...
You're getting very riled up about fictitious things, don't you?
Yes, I back my claims by the fact that the Protheans managed to survive into the next cycle and the fact that this cycle has managed to do what no previous cycle has achieved before. And I trust them to achieve more than building something we found the blueprints for.
But where I see hope you choose to see nothing but death and misery. It's your choice, but don't force your depressing view onto others.


Oh, now I'm actually taking offense to that. I have never escaped responsibility. I am simply dismissing the notion that Refuse kills everyone. Because, frankly, I find that to be ridiculous.

More baseless claims,now against my persons Lol.

A single Individual Prothean. Proves ALL/A LOT of life will survive is very laughable. I am not forcing anything on you LOL,I am providing in game references that point to the Reapers slaughtering our Civilization. As it is what they do. You have "hope" that your decision which clearly is going to cost lives is what? A way to survive and defeat the Reapers conventionally? We know this is not the case.

That is just a simple contradiction. The games points to this "ridiculous' idea lmao. How many times have the Reapers successfully killed everyone in the Galaxy? Every time except twice to our current knowledge. A few Leviathans and a single Prothean. But because a single person chose to dismiss the united galaxy's wishes and condemn the entire universe to a war,it will all change now because Shepard personal opinion feels differently? Really? "Cool Beans dude."

There is no moral victory in Refuse. Lol The enitire galaxy expects the Crucible to win the war. When it fails you expect a boost to morale? The Crucible failed and we are now  condemn to war over a single person's beliefs. Yea that is a Morale Boost,in the wrong direction IMO.

Modifié par Rip504, 18 décembre 2012 - 02:42 .

[Clayless]

TheProtheans wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The next cycle win without war, implying they used some sort of superweapon, most likely the Crucible as it's the most advanced one in history and is sitting there ready to be built.

Actually that time wasn't implied as doing anything other than finding Liara's Beacon and hearing of what happened.
They think they live in peace because they're not dead, they possibly have not even found the citadel yet.
For all we know the Reapers were stopped in this cycle.

No they point blank say without the information this cycle passed down, they too would be threatened, and that they didn't have to fight a terrible war because of it.

[TheProtheans]

If all life died then surely the Reapers terminated because they failed.

[TheProtheans]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The next cycle win without war, implying they used some sort of superweapon, most likely the Crucible as it's the most advanced one in history and is sitting there ready to be built.

Actually that time wasn't implied as doing anything other than finding Liara's Beacon and hearing of what happened.
They think they live in peace because they're not dead, they possibly have not even found the citadel yet.
For all we know the Reapers were stopped in this cycle.

No they point blank say without the information this cycle passed down, they too would be threatened, and that they didn't have to fight a terrible war because of it.

No, as you can see by what you wrote that only implies they found a beacon.
They think they are safe and alone, they are not.

Little do they know the citadel awaits them.

[Rip504]

TheProtheans wrote...

If all life died then surely the Reapers terminated because they failed.

Civilized Life. Lesser Species are always left to develop. Hence the purpose of the cycle.
Twitter Confirmed what the next cycle did.

Modifié par Rip504, 18 décembre 2012 - 02:45 .

[TheProtheans]

Rip504 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If all life died then surely the Reapers terminated because they failed.

Civilized Life. Lesser Species are always left to develop. Hence the purpose of the cycle.

Then you should say that instead of all life.
Very confusing.