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[Shampoohorn]

stefbomb wrote...

Dat Saber sound....

[ISHYGDDT]

I think the main reason, aside from personal preference, is magazine size. With the mag-size upgrade, you can get 14 rounds per clip with the saber, as opposed to 5 with the paladin. Personally I don't like it, but I've seen it on someone who can really use it and it was beautiful and slightly terrifying.

[AppealToReason]

Because most of the AR's suck so when there is a not sucking one its awesome.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

The stupid thing about the Saber is that, with reload cancelling, the Claymore fires nearly as quickly... and if it's range you want, Widow...

Stupid thing about the Saber is its inability to one-shot enemies to the same capability as either of these two weapons.

Anything that you need to use (stunning powers) to make Saber servicable, the Paladin is better with. Faster recharge, headshot mod, heavy barrel...

Ok I'll make a short vid of the Saber when I get back my Internet to compare the Saber and the Paladin. 

IMO, Saber wins.

[xcrunr1647]

Because it is.

[Deerber]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

I think the main reason, aside from personal preference, is magazine size. With the mag-size upgrade, you can get 14 rounds per clip with the saber, as opposed to 5 with the paladin. Personally I don't like it, but I've seen it on someone who can really use it and it was beautiful and slightly terrifying.

Uhm... Was I in that match as well, and did the someone you're talking about disconnect after a couple of waves? 

[Neizd]

you know that you compare AR to pistol and that some classed have different bonuses right? Also soome of the gear is different.

[smith056]

I suppose, you could pop a scope on an arc pistol, and be done with it. Less Weight, more damage etc.

[lightswitch]

 Saber aiming reticule from a supported firing position:



Paladin aiming reticule from a supported firing position:



Saber aiming reticule from an unsupported firing position:



Paladin aiming reticule from an unsupported firing position:



See the difference? It's small, but I definitely notice it affects my accuracy at long ranges, and if I'm not shooting enemies at long range I may as well have brought a Harrier. Actually I probably should have brought one anyways but that is neither here nor there. Also, the Saber has much more spare ammo.

Edited to add: Plus I don't really care that much about weight anymore. Cooldown is vastly overrated on most builds.

Modifié par lightswitch, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:08 .

[DarklighterFreak]

Get fired up wrote...

While you might have a point, OP, I just find the feel of the saber to be way out of the paladin's league. The amazing look of that AR that is almost as big as the character you play and most of all, that SOUND, makes the saber what it is. Big guns are always a big plus (at least for most people).

this, exactly my thoughts

[Jamesui]

Mahrac wrote...

KATHUNK. Head asplode.

This. Good onomatopoeia, by the way. 

[ThatOddGuy]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

The stupid thing about the Saber is that, with reload cancelling, the Claymore fires nearly as quickly... and if it's range you want, Widow...

Stupid thing about the Saber is its inability to one-shot enemies to the same capability as either of these two weapons.

Anything that you need to use (stunning powers) to make Saber servicable, the Paladin is better with. Faster recharge, headshot mod, heavy barrel...

Ok I'll make a short vid of the Saber when I get back my Internet to compare the Saber and the Paladin. 

IMO, Saber wins.

That's entirely relative to your skill with either weapon. My Paladin is I, and my Saber VIII. I'm more efficient using the Paladin...

And I am even more efficient with a Claymore as far as slow-firing weapons go. Throw a smart choke on there and it can cross-map equally as effective.


The point with the saber is do have high-damage shots that kill targets without having to stay out of cover too long. This is the point with all slow-firing weapons. The thing is that there are so many weapons that do it better. Many of them are easier to max.

Even the Crusader is comparable to Saber. I dislike both of these weapons equally.

[ISHYGDDT]

Deerber wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

I think the main reason, aside from personal preference, is magazine size. With the mag-size upgrade, you can get 14 rounds per clip with the saber, as opposed to 5 with the paladin. Personally I don't like it, but I've seen it on someone who can really use it and it was beautiful and slightly terrifying.

Uhm... Was I in that match as well, and did the someone you're talking about disconnect after a couple of waves? 

Actually it was the next match (after you left), but yeah, same person .

[stinekandts]

1. Saber holds more ammo
2. Better anti-armor capability
3. When used with player with fire rate increases, I find it is more of a reliable headshotter off of the hip than the Paladin. As long as you are used to dealing with the muzzle climb. The Paladin has a slight delay in its accuracy for headshots while its reticle gets smaller.

[lightswitch]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

And I am even more efficient with a Claymore as far as slow-firing weapons go. Throw a smart choke on there and it can cross-map equally as effective.

I have seen a lot of people express this sentiment but that has not been my experience. Am I doing something wrong? I mean, I can get the Claymore to work out to a pretty decent range with a smart choke, but there's a certain distance beyond which it feels pretty ineffectual to me. Certainly not anywhere close to my effective range with a Saber.

[lightswitch]

stinekandts wrote...

1. Saber holds more ammo
2. Better anti-armor capability
3. When used with player with fire rate increases, I find it is more of a reliable headshotter off of the hip than the Paladin. As long as you are used to dealing with the muzzle climb. The Paladin has a slight delay in its accuracy for headshots while its reticle gets smaller.

Saber doesn't have any innate armor piercing capability. I don't know where this rumor started but it's wrong.

Modifié par lightswitch, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:16 .

[cowwy]

DarklighterFreak wrote...

Get fired up wrote...

While you might have a point, OP, I just find the feel of the saber to be way out of the paladin's league. The amazing look of that AR that is almost as big as the character you play and most of all, that SOUND, makes the saber what it is. Big guns are always a big plus (at least for most people).

this, exactly my thoughts

I guess I have to quote the first sentence in the OP...

cowwy wrote...

Now let me preface this by saying that if
you like the gun just because you like using different guns or you like
the way the gun sounds, then that's fine, and this rant isn't directed
towards you.

[Deerber]

lightswitch wrote...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

And I am even more efficient with a Claymore as far as slow-firing weapons go. Throw a smart choke on there and it can cross-map equally as effective.

I have seen a lot of people express this sentiment but that has not been my experience. Am I doing something wrong? I mean, I can get the Claymore to work out to a pretty decent range with a smart choke, but there's a certain distance beyond which it feels pretty ineffectual to me. Certainly not anywhere close to my effective range with a Saber.

No Light, you're not doing it wrong. It's people using hyperboles. Happens all the times on forums 

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Deerber wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

I think the main reason, aside from personal preference, is magazine size. With the mag-size upgrade, you can get 14 rounds per clip with the saber, as opposed to 5 with the paladin. Personally I don't like it, but I've seen it on someone who can really use it and it was beautiful and slightly terrifying.

Uhm... Was I in that match as well, and did the someone you're talking about disconnect after a couple of waves? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Actually it was the next match (after you left), but yeah, same person [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie].

I've been trying the Saber on the Quarian Marksman quite a lot after that match. Obviously, results were on a completely different planet, but I've been getting better with it and that makes me hope that maybe, someday, I'll be able to use it half as good as someone does :happy:

Modifié par Deerber, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:19 .

[Blitzkrieg_33]

DAT SOUND

[ISHYGDDT]

lightswitch wrote...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

And I am even more efficient with a Claymore as far as slow-firing weapons go. Throw a smart choke on there and it can cross-map equally as effective.

I have seen a lot of people express this sentiment but that has not been my experience. Am I doing something wrong? I mean, I can get the Claymore to work out to a pretty decent range with a smart choke, but there's a certain distance beyond which it feels pretty ineffectual to me. Certainly not anywhere close to my effective range with a Saber.

Most people who say this, are either using an accuracy increasing class like the Geth Infiltrator or stacking enough damage boosts that they can oneshot enemies even if only ~1/2 the pellets hit the head (not that hard to do even with a non-weapon class.)

[jakenou]

I just like it. It feels like a really powerful staple gun.

[cowwy]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

The stupid thing about the Saber is that, with reload cancelling, the Claymore fires nearly as quickly... and if it's range you want, Widow...

Stupid thing about the Saber is its inability to one-shot enemies to the same capability as either of these two weapons.

Anything that you need to use (stunning powers) to make Saber servicable, the Paladin is better with. Faster recharge, headshot mod, heavy barrel...

Ok I'll make a short vid of the Saber when I get back my Internet to compare the Saber and the Paladin. 

IMO, Saber wins.

You don't count, you're a robot so it's already an unfair test.  I understand what you're saying, but I just don't think that the extra rounds in the clip justify the massive increase in weight. I also don't think the Claymore fires nearly as quickly as what ThatOddGuy was saying but in that case the weight is justified on that weapon as it hits significantly harder than any comparable weapon. The difference between the Saber and the Paladin is too minute to be worth the extra weight IMO.

[Deerber]

cowwy wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

The stupid thing about the Saber is that, with reload cancelling, the Claymore fires nearly as quickly... and if it's range you want, Widow...

Stupid thing about the Saber is its inability to one-shot enemies to the same capability as either of these two weapons.

Anything that you need to use (stunning powers) to make Saber servicable, the Paladin is better with. Faster recharge, headshot mod, heavy barrel...

Ok I'll make a short vid of the Saber when I get back my Internet to compare the Saber and the Paladin. 

IMO, Saber wins.

You don't count, you're a robot so it's already an unfair test.  I understand what you're saying, but I just don't think that the extra rounds in the clip justify the massive increase in weight. I also don't think the Claymore fires nearly as quickly as what ThatOddGuy was saying but in that case the weight is justified on that weapon as it hits significantly harder than any comparable weapon. The difference between the Saber and the Paladin is too minute to be worth the extra weight IMO.

It always depends on what class you put it on. Some classes don't care much about the added weight, while if that weapon is their main mean of damage having a clip 3 times as big is a huge advantage, and you get higher accuracy as well.

Also, cooldowns are overrated.

Modifié par Deerber, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:25 .

[LemurFromTheId]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

The stupid thing about the Saber is that, with reload cancelling, the Claymore fires nearly as quickly... and if it's range you want, Widow... (Saber is 80 RPM, Claymore is 64 RPM, and Widow is 70 RPM. The stats sheet actually doesn't mention RPM with reload cancelling)

Reload-cancelled Claymore shoots once every two seconds, give or take a tenth. Saber fires more than twice as fast.

[ThatOddGuy]

To clarify my Claymore claims, cross map is a slight hyperbole, but only because very few maps can actually be fired all the way across. What's important is the greater distances that you tend to encounter (Dagger is a good example. The distance from the array down to the platform where enemies spawn is considered long range). One-shotting enemies over those ranges is extremely easy.

Obviously Rio and Hydra are exceptions to this, but on any other map, if you see it, you can kill it.

But as my first post would indicate, I also compared the Saber to the Widow, which can take full advantage of those maps as well. And if you're work your salt, close range widow is no harder than close range Saber.

On top of that, there are the Crusader and Paladin that are directly comparable to the Saber. It's hard to say if the Crusader is better than the Saber... but the Paladin certainly is. SLIGHTLY less accurate, but much lighter. At lvl X, it's half the weight.