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[fayk_id]

i think Saber was invented to give TGI the chance to snipe

Saber on TGI can be more devastating than Harrier imo

[fayk_id]

also, i can't see how can a pistol be compared to a rifle

Modifié par fayk_id, 18 décembre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Smallpox_Jenkins]

Counter-question: Why are you comparing a pistol to an assault rifle?

[ToaOrka]

1. On classes that weight is irrelevant, Paladin's main strength is diminished.
2. Highest DPS possible for both guns: 1694.2 (Saber), 2475.6 (Paladin)

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Goddammit. The Saber is just better and that's that.

[Titus Thongger]

real men use the saber and brophoon over the harrier

[Sabbatine]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

The stupid thing about the Saber is that, with reload cancelling, the Claymore fires nearly as quickly... and if it's range you want, Widow... (Saber is 80 RPM, Claymore is 64 RPM, and Widow is 70 RPM. The stats sheet actually doesn't mention RPM with reload cancelling)

If we're going to factor in game exploits when weighing the value of weapons it is worth pointing out that you could edit a file and have as much damage, thermal clip capacity, and rate of fire that you want.  The predator pistol could be the superior weapon if you wanted it to be.

Modifié par Sabbatine, 18 décembre 2012 - 05:41 .

[d_nought]

Titus Thongger wrote...

real men use the brophoon

[BjornDaDwarf]

cowwy wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

I prefer the arc pistol over both.

Arc pistol is fairly fantastic, especially since it can one-shot shielded mooks with the right consumables.

I had completely written off the arc pistol because of how terrible it used to be, maybe I need to try it again but that sound it makes just drives me crazy.

The improved Arc Pistol is pretty awesome, but does have the drawback that it's charging, so hitting it's max RoF on a regular basis is less likely.

It does more damage per shot than the Paladin, will one shot quite a few things, is about as easy to headshot with as the Paladin (pellets only have minor spread).  I've been using it more and more to mix things up. 

Oh, and on topic, I've never been a big fan of the Paladin.  It's just not a gun I find very satisfying to use.  So the Saber is quite a bit better than it for me. 

Modifié par BjornDaDwarf, 18 décembre 2012 - 05:51 .

[lightswitch]

cowwy wrote...

DaveT wrote...

I've got to thank the OP. I don't have a Saber, but I do have a Paladin I. I switched out all my casters from their Hurricane/Acolyte combo to the Paladin. It has some serious power to it, and an amazing range. I took out a ravager from across the map.

I've got to research all the good weapons that I don't know about.

Anytime my friend.

Part of the point of this thread was to help people realize that the Saber isn't all it's cracked up to be. I have a Saber VI but I prefer to use my Paladin II just because it works better for me. Anyway the Saber isn't bad, but it should be a lot better for how heavy it is. From this thread I think I'm going to try out the Arc Pistol as well because I haven't used it in a long time.

How many times does is have to be pointed out to you the slightly shorter cooldown you get from the Paladins weight really isn't worth it on most classes? You are vastly overestimating the importance of cooldown.

[cowwy]

lightswitch wrote...

cowwy wrote...

DaveT wrote...

I've got to thank the OP. I don't have a Saber, but I do have a Paladin I. I switched out all my casters from their Hurricane/Acolyte combo to the Paladin. It has some serious power to it, and an amazing range. I took out a ravager from across the map.

I've got to research all the good weapons that I don't know about.

Anytime my friend.

Part of the point of this thread was to help people realize that the Saber isn't all it's cracked up to be. I have a Saber VI but I prefer to use my Paladin II just because it works better for me. Anyway the Saber isn't bad, but it should be a lot better for how heavy it is. From this thread I think I'm going to try out the Arc Pistol as well because I haven't used it in a long time.

How many times does is have to be pointed out to you the slightly shorter cooldown you get from the Paladins weight really isn't worth it on most classes? You are vastly overestimating the importance of cooldown.

Here's the deal, I'm fully aware that cooldown isn't the end all be all. However, I could bring a Paladin and a Wraith for about the same weight as the Saber alone. So what's your point, some classes don't care about cooldown, congrats, you made your point. My point is that if I was going to cost myself the encumbrance of the Saber, why not just bring a PPR?

Smallpox_Jenkins wrote...

Counter-question: Why are you comparing a pistol to an assault rifle?

I've answered this question like 4 times in this thread. I'm not answering it any more. Either go back and read the rest of the thread or don't post.

[cowwy]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Asebstos wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

I prefer the arc pistol over both.

Arc pistol is fairly fantastic, especially since it can one-shot shielded mooks with the right consumables.

I had completely written off the arc pistol because of how terrible it used to be, maybe I need to try it again but that sound it makes just drives me crazy.

The improved Arc Pistol is pretty awesome, but does have the drawback that it's charging, so hitting it's max RoF on a regular basis is less likely.

It does more damage per shot than the Paladin, will one shot quite a few things, is about as easy to headshot with as the Paladin (pellets only have minor spread).  I've been using it more and more to mix things up. 

Oh, and on topic, I've never been a big fan of the Paladin.  It's just not a gun I find very satisfying to use.  So the Saber is quite a bit better than it for me. 

I'm not the biggest fan of the Paladin either, but I just found it to be the most apt comparison of all the guns. I've tried so hard to like the Saber but I just can't, the gun is bad unless used with marksman and it makes me angry because I've gotten it 6 times now with no Harrier... <_<

[Clearly Balkan]

You're comparing Paladin to best variant of sniper &!assault rifle. #LOL

Learn to use Saber.

Whining doesn't really help.

[Leonia]

Titus Thongger wrote...

real men use the saber and brophoon over the harrier

And women! There are moments when I will resort to the Harrier but why bother when I can get more headshots at longer range with the Saber or Typhoon without having to hit an ammo crate every other minute or waste heaps of thermal clips? Being able to snipe with my TGI has made me feel less lame for playing him so often and the Typhoon's god-status is already universally recognised.

[cowwy]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

You're comparing Paladin to best variant of sniper &!assault rifle. #LOL

Learn to use Saber.

Whining doesn't really help.

I really hope this is a joke. Otherwise your post is bad and you should feel bad.

[MeLlamoDante]

I never really liked the Saber. Got it at X though so I guess I'll give it a try again since it received a buff not too long ago.

[chefcook90]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Magazine size. That's pretty much why I prefer the Saber to the Paladin.

This.
Three shot magazine on a heavy pistol? Maybe you should be comparing the Paladin to the Black Widow instead of the Saber.

[Javo2357]

Well, like others pointed out, the Saber's mag capacity is an advantage it has over the Paladin.

I don't remember if it was already mentioned but if you take a Paladin, you will not be able to take any of the other pistols, such as the Scorpion or Acolyte.

Modifié par Javo2357, 18 décembre 2012 - 08:29 .

[jrm_ayun]

 As the thread title says "Why do people think the saber is good?" Well because it IS GOOD but you're comparing it to the Paladin which you think is better and discrediting the Saber which is a good gun. Maybe a better thread title would've been "Why the paladin is better than the Saber?" Just because the Paladin is better doesn't make the Saber a bad gun.

[cowwy]

Javo2357 wrote...

Well, like others pointed out, the Saber's mag capacity is an advantage it has over the Paladin.

I don't remember if it was already mentioned but if you take a Paladin, you will not be able to take any of the other pistols, such as the Scorpion or Acolyte.

And if you take the Saber you can't take a Harrier, Mattock, PPR, or Typhoon. Your point?

[cowwy]

jrm_ayun wrote...

 As the thread title says "Why do people think the saber is good?" Well because it IS GOOD but you're comparing it to the Paladin which you think is better and discrediting the Saber which is a good gun. Maybe a better thread title would've been "Why the paladin is better than the Saber?" Just because the Paladin is better doesn't make the Saber a bad gun.

Would you prefer the thread title to be "Why isn't the Saber better than the Paladin when it is double the weight and has worse mods?" Because that just rolls right off the tongue.

[Javo2357]

cowwy wrote...

Javo2357 wrote...

Well, like others pointed out, the Saber's mag capacity is an advantage it has over the Paladin.

I don't remember if it was already mentioned but if you take a Paladin, you will not be able to take any of the other pistols, such as the Scorpion or Acolyte.

And if you take the Saber you can't take a Harrier, Mattock, PPR, or Typhoon. Your point?

My point is it depends on what you want your primary method of killing enemies to be. If you want run a character that can one-shot/headshot mooks the Saber does a great job. Taking the Paladin as your primary weapon, won't be as effective if this is your goal because you have to reload every 3 shots unless you equip the Pisto Mag Mod. Also, Saber has more reserve ammo.

Another thing that most people overlook about the Saber is that it reliably staggers most mooks with bodyshots, much more so than the Paladin.

[jrm_ayun]

cowwy wrote...

jrm_ayun wrote...

 As the thread title says "Why do people think the saber is good?" Well because it IS GOOD but you're comparing it to the Paladin which you think is better and discrediting the Saber which is a good gun. Maybe a better thread title would've been "Why the paladin is better than the Saber?" Just because the Paladin is better doesn't make the Saber a bad gun.

Would you prefer the thread title to be "Why isn't the Saber better than the Paladin when it is double the weight and has worse mods?" Because that just rolls right off the tongue.

Oh go ahead OP. Cause you're title is misleading

[Leonia]

cowwy wrote...

Javo2357 wrote...

Well, like others pointed out, the Saber's mag capacity is an advantage it has over the Paladin.

I
don't remember if it was already mentioned but if you take a Paladin,
you will not be able to take any of the other pistols, such as the
Scorpion or Acolyte.

And if you take the Saber you can't take a Harrier, Mattock, PPR, or Typhoon. Your point?

Because an Acolyte/Scorpion is totally comparable to other run of the mill ARs.. seriously? If you're going to take a sidearm to compliment your main weapon (in this case, the Saber), why would you bring the Paladin? The other pistols offer a utility function that the Paladin does not. You might not need an AR to compliment a pistol but then you wouldn't use a pistol the same way as you'd use an AR, right?

Modifié par leonia42, 18 décembre 2012 - 08:48 .

[GunWraith]

Paladin

- 3 shot clip/33 reserve with AP mod
- 5 shot clip/33 reserve with Mag mod
- Due to the sight pattern on the Paladin it is harder to double tap successfully at long range
- Weight is only an issue on certain classes and I find the Acolyte works better on most of those classes

Saber

- 8 shot clip/40 reserve with AP mod
- 14 shot clip/56 reserve with Mag mod
- Far better accuracy at range due to tighter sight pattern


To sum up, I've had both at X for a long time and I have never liked the way the Paladin works at long range. It is great at short to mid range, but realistically it is replaceable by rare pistols in that role and bested easily by the Talon.