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[Titus Thongger]

Cowwy seems to have a personal vendetta against anyone who so much as smiles sheepishly at the saber.

[jrm_ayun]

Titus Thongger wrote...

Cowwy seems to have a personal vendetta against anyone who so much as smiles sheepishly at the saber.

Lol I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe just stressed from the responses. I do agree the Paladin is a better gun and people before have already said that. Just that the thread title and original post are different in views.

[Titus Thongger]

mm I can't ever make the paladin work for me. cant seem to hit the side of a barn house with that thing.

saber though, was tailor made for the TGI. pretty decent on the vanilla Hsol though. never need to reload with Arush

[cowwy]

jrm_ayun wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

Cowwy seems to have a personal vendetta against anyone who so much as smiles sheepishly at the saber.

Lol I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe just stressed from the responses. I do agree the Paladin is a better gun and people before have already said that. Just that the thread title and original post are different in views.

I apologize if I was snippy these last few pages, but I just got tired of seeing the same question 8 times. I'll edit the title tomorrow when I'm at my laptop. That being said I really want to like the Saber but I just can't. It sounds like an anti-tank rifle but hits like a BB gun.

I will admit Titus's post made me lol.

Modifié par cowwy, 18 décembre 2012 - 09:05 .

[lightswitch]

jrm_ayun wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

Cowwy seems to have a personal vendetta against anyone who so much as smiles sheepishly at the saber.

Lol I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe just stressed from the responses. I do agree the Paladin is a better gun and people before have already said that. Just that the thread title and original post are different in views.

But here's the thing: the Paladin is not better. At all. It does less damage per shot, has lower sustained DPS, is less accurate, and has a smaller clip and smaller ammo reserve. The only advantage it has is weight, which on the weapons classes with which the Saber is typically used is not a primary concern. So the OP is just flat wrong. The Saber is a better gun.

A seperate issue might be that the Saber isn't powerful enough for the weight class it is in. I haven't given it a lot of thought lately, but I would think you could make a strong argument this is the case.

[jrm_ayun]

lightswitch wrote...

jrm_ayun wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

Cowwy seems to have a personal vendetta against anyone who so much as smiles sheepishly at the saber.

Lol I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe just stressed from the responses. I do agree the Paladin is a better gun and people before have already said that. Just that the thread title and original post are different in views.

But here's the thing: the Paladin is not better. At all. It does less damage per shot, has lower sustained DPS, is less accurate, and has a smaller clip and smaller ammo reserve. The only advantage it has is weight, which on the weapons classes with which the Saber is typically used is not a primary concern. So the OP is just flat wrong. The Saber is a better gun.

A seperate issue might be that the Saber isn't powerful enough for the weight class it is in. I haven't given it a lot of thought lately, but I would think you could make a strong argument this is the case.

If the numbers posted in N7HQ is right then no the Paladin has higher DPS even at a lower level especially reload cancelled but I do love the Saber and that ooh so sexy sound

[HolyAvenger]

I hate how often you have to reload with the Paladin. It makes missing shots very painful and annoying. I also hate humping ammo boxes (I almost never play with the Harrier, unless its on my Demogirl) so the reserve ammo issue annoys me too. I also find it less accurate than the Saber.

All in all, I much prefer the Saber to the Paladin. No skin off my nose if you don't.

[Ogelia]

i rly like saber with this dont have big ammo trouble and rly love stager effect which have, on other side play with paladin is as play with harrier you must stil running between ammo boxes which i rly rly hate, saber is my 2nd best gun in game after wraith. And paladin is only desing variant of carnifex and saber is original unique desing which is big + too :-)

[Funkybyte4321]

Paladin (HB/Mag) with AP ammo > Saber any mods combo. Headshots are just as easy and faster with Paladin, at least for me. I tried to like the Saber, but its just meh and i have it at IX.

Modifié par Funkybyte4321, 18 décembre 2012 - 09:37 .

[shanghai lu]

true, got a few friends that use the saber to snipe, and they do very well.

[Oggy666]

Why people think saber is good? Because it is good, very good.
Comparing to paladin which functions similarly? No, you cannot compare damage, or DPS in any way.

Saberis assault rifle meant to be main source of damage, you simly do not use it on characters where you can consider a Paladin - most of adepts and vanguards.

Most of the other classes are better with saber. Saber is more accurate, larger clip size, has
great stopping power (at least I think it staggers mooks) - meant in CC you can deal with numbers of enemies like hunters, marauders etc., even phantom better than with Paladin (probable death).
Saber takes bosses down faster. The accuracy, stagger and mag size speak clearly for Saber.

Lets take mods which I would put most of the times on:

Saber - magazine and EB, AP ammo III
Paladin - mag + HVB, AP ammo III

On classes like HSo, TSo, Destroyer, TGI will saber be significantly better.
TSe, FQE, N7 Paladin...well most of Eng, Soldier, Sentinel classes, Inf., some vang. and adepts will Saber be better for me.

Only classes I would prefer Paladin on over saber are Asari adepts, Fury, both HAdepts, Slayer, Phoenix chars etc. (And in those cases I am better with Hurricane, CSMG, Talon, Scorpion or Acolyte).

PS: I see no reason to take Paladin as a secondary weapon to anything except reegar, and again there are better options.

Summary: Paladin can be personal preference, but generally it is not even slightly superior to Saber. (And I use both of them a little, most of the time I take harrier, PPR, typhoon, hurricane, CSMG, Talon, Scorpion, Acolyte over these weapons).

[Deerber]

[quote]tyhw wrote...

[quote]Deerber wrote...

Reload-cancelled Claymore shoots once every two seconds, give or take a tenth. Saber fires more than twice as fast.
[/quote]

Actually, it''s once a second if you reload cancel properly. Saber shoots just a bit faster. But that doesn't mean much, as it's its bad side and you should try to work on that with RoF-boosting abilities. Which won't work as well on a Claymore.

Not even mentioning the fact that you can get headshots 2 kms farther than claymore can get 1 pellet on the body...
[/quote]

No, 2 seconds is right.  You have to wait for the RoF (64) before the reload starts.  Try hand timing yourself and you'll see getting better than 2 seconds is very good.   Also, use the wraith, acolyte, or krysae to better see this effect.

[/quote]

My bad.

Sorry about that. I didn't know you have to add the RoF to the reload time and I saw 1 sec in Cyonan's sheet  Well, you might call me stupid, but I like the fact that after a while of being here, I still have loads of things to learn :happy:

So, is that the mechanism by which if I have a RoF boosting ability that will cut down my reload time as well?

Oh and thanks for pointing that out, sorry Aedolon 

[quote]jrm_ayun wrote...

If the numbers posted in N7HQ is right then no the Paladin has higher DPS even at a lower level especially reload cancelled but I do love the Saber and that ooh so sexy sound

[/quote]

No clue if they're accurate, but I'm sure that these https://docs.google....put=html&gid=10 are more accurate. And the Saber has got better multi-clip DPS than the Paladin, along with better accuracy and lots of other advantages.

[quote]cowwy wrote...

Here's the deal, I'm fully aware that cooldown isn't the end all be all. However, I could bring a Paladin and a Wraith for about the same weight as the Saber alone. So what's your point, some classes don't care about cooldown, congrats, you made your point. My point is that if I was going to cost myself the encumbrance of the Saber, why not just bring a PPR?

[/quote]

Please, tell me you're joking. This argument started off as one of the few around here with a sense. Still wrong in my opinion, but I could see your points and see what your thoughts were and why. But please stop doing stupid comparisons like this, cause they will only make people think it's better not to argue anymore and just tell you that you're wrong.

[Deerber]

[quote]tyhw wrote...

[quote]Deerber wrote...

Actually, it''s once a second if you reload cancel properly. Saber shoots just a bit faster. But that doesn't mean much, as it's its bad side and you should try to work on that with RoF-boosting abilities. Which won't work as well on a Claymore.

Not even mentioning the fact that you can get headshots 2 kms farther than claymore can get 1 pellet on the body...
[/quote]

No, 2 seconds is right.  You have to wait for the RoF (64) before the reload starts.  Try hand timing yourself and you'll see getting better than 2 seconds is very good.   Also, use the wraith, acolyte, or krysae to better see this effect.

[/quote]

My bad.

Sorry about that. I didn't know you have to add the RoF to the reload time and I saw 1 sec in Cyonan's sheet  Well, you might call me stupid, but I like the fact that after a while of being here, I still have loads of things to learn :happy:

So, is that the mechanism by which if I have a RoF boosting ability that will cut down my reload time as well?

Oh and thanks for pointing that out, sorry Aedolon 

[quote]jrm_ayun wrote...

If the numbers posted in N7HQ is right then no the Paladin has higher DPS even at a lower level especially reload cancelled but I do love the Saber and that ooh so sexy sound

[/quote]

No clue if they're accurate, but I'm sure that these https://docs.google....put=html&gid=10 are more accurate. And the Saber has got better multi-clip DPS than the Paladin, along with better accuracy and lots of other advantages.

[quote]cowwy wrote...

Here's the deal, I'm fully aware that cooldown isn't the end all be all. However, I could bring a Paladin and a Wraith for about the same weight as the Saber alone. So what's your point, some classes don't care about cooldown, congrats, you made your point. My point is that if I was going to cost myself the encumbrance of the Saber, why not just bring a PPR?

[/quote]

Please, tell me you're joking. This argument started off as one of the few around here with a sense. Still wrong in my opinion, but I could see your points and see what your thoughts were and why. But please stop doing stupid comparisons like this, cause they will only make people think it's better not to argue anymore and just tell you that you're wrong.[/quote]

Modifié par Deerber, 18 décembre 2012 - 11:40 .

[Acyl]

Oggy666 wrote...

Why people think saber is good? Because it is good, very good.
Comparing to paladin which functions similarly? No, you cannot compare damage, or DPS in any way.

Plenty of folks have already said this, but it's worth repeating. This is very true. You can't compare the two weapons in a vacuum.

The Paladin's good on some characters and some builds. The Saber's good on others. It really depends what else you have going down. It's relative. A straight number-to-number comparison like cowwy's been doing doesn't tell the full story.

I much prefer the Paladin, but I use the Saber on some characters. Because for those characters it is a better choice than the Paladin. It's all in the context.

You don't have to accept that the Saber is flat out better. But it's silly not to acknowledge that there are certain cases where it's a better choice than the Paladin. Not in all cases. Just in some.

Modifié par Acyl, 18 décembre 2012 - 12:02 .

[Krakefer.ch]

The Saber is the weapon of choice for classes that use weapons as 1st source of damage : human soldier (AR), toldier (marksman), TGI with his AR boost... For those, there is no reason to use the Paladin.

For casters, Paladin, hands down.

[Oggy666]

Acyl wrote...

Oggy666 wrote...

Why people think saber is good? Because it is good, very good.
Comparing to paladin which functions similarly? No, you cannot compare damage, or DPS in any way.

Plenty of folks have already said this, but it's worth repeating. This is very true. You can't compare the two weapons in a vacuum.

The Paladin's good on some characters and some builds. The Saber's good on others. It really depends what else you have going down. It's relative. A straight number-to-number comparison like cowwy's been doing doesn't tell the full story.

I much prefer the Paladin, but I use the Saber on some characters. Because for those characters it is a better choice than the Paladin. It's all in the context.

You don't have to accept that the Saber is flat out better. But it's silly not to acknowledge that there are certain cases where it's a better choice than the Paladin. Not in all cases. Just in some.

That was my point, on some characters Paladin fits better on the others is the Saber.
Its obvious which one you take on human or turian soldier or TGI, and which on fury or human sentinel or phoenix.

But generally there are more characters suited better for the saber.
And purely as weapon: accuracy, stopping power and mag size = saber is better at dealing with enemies.
Weight is not significant factor to say which weapon is better when you are not considering cooldowns,
as only few characters benefit from spamming powers more frequently than every 3-4 seconds.

Some random question in my mind (not that its a proper way, but..):
When any character gets seeker-swarmed ---- which gun will be better?
That could answer which one is overall better, in any other cases you must consider certain character and enemy.

[Papa5murf]

1) You need to reload the Paladin TWICE before it will put out the same number of shots as the Saber in one clip.
2) Paladin takes up the slot reserved for Acolyte.
3) Some characters have skill trees that boost AR damage, but there are no skill trees that do this for pistols.
4) Firing the Paladin sounds like a pea shooter. Firing the Saber sounds like a flippin cannon!
Conclusion: Saber > Paladin

Modifié par Papa5murf, 18 décembre 2012 - 12:50 .

[Cole Jones]

Papa5murf wrote...

1) You need to reload the Paladin TWICE before it will put out the same number of shots as the Saber in one clip.
2) Paladin takes up the slot reserved for Acolyte.
3) Some characters have skill trees that boost AR damage, but there are no skill trees that do this for pistols.
4) Firing the Paladin sounds like a pea shooter. Firing the Saber sounds like a flippin cannon!
Conclusion: Saber > Paladin

Sounds like a cash register with Bass, Not a cannon, I've heard real Cannon's

[LemurFromTheId]

Deerber wrote...

Sorry about that. I didn't know you have to add the RoF to the reload time and I saw 1 sec in Cyonan's sheet  Well, you might call me stupid, but I like the fact that after a while of being here, I still have loads of things to learn :happy:

So, is that the mechanism by which if I have a RoF boosting ability that will cut down my reload time as well?

Yes, ROF boosts shorten the ROF delay that's applied after every shot (not just between shots), so reloading begins earlier. As far as I know they won't affect the additional reload duration. Therefore, single-shot weapons benefit from ROF boosts, only not nearly as much as weapons with larger clip size.

Deerber wrote...
Oh and thanks for pointing that out, sorry Aedolon 

No problem. I learn new things every day.

[elconejito75]

cowwy wrote...

I apologize if I was snippy these last few pages, but I just got tired of seeing the same question 8 times. I'll edit the title tomorrow when I'm at my laptop. That being said I really want to like the Saber but I just can't. It sounds like an anti-tank rifle but hits like a BB gun.

I think it depends not only on your character but your playstyle. To paraphrase Apple "you're holding it wrong" <- j/k lol.

I only have the Saber 1 and don't have the Paladin to compare, but I like to use the Saber on a couple of classes in particular as it suits the character and the way I like to play with them. The TGI, the salarian engineer, the turian sentinel are the ones I use it on the most. I slap a scope and either barrel or mag mods on it. I tend to use it almost like a sniper rifle with a very large clip. In fact, the other comparable weapon I have (I am FAR from a maxxed manifest) is the Valiant which has a 3 round mag and doesn't give me *that* much more damage at the expense of having a much smaller clip.

Here's how I use it. The 3 characters I mentioned all have overload/energy drain which will stun a crowd of mooks+ and then I can scope in and tap, tap , tap. I can usually hit at least 3 enemies before the initial stun wears off. There is a certain rythm to the Saber that I really like, it's approx one shot per second which gives the crosshairs time to settle and if the recoil jerked the aim upwards it gives you a chance to bring it back down again. For me that usually means 3 seconds = 3 shots = stun time is over = use power again (recharge is ready) = repeat. If I'm not panicked I try to get mostly headshots. I can down a pretty decent size mob of mooks very quickly this way due to the mag size without reloading.

For bosses, since they're larger it's usually pretty easy to headshot which means you can do a fair bit of damage. And the TSent & SE have good debuff powers in warp & incinerate for the bosses, while the TGI has TC & stim packs to give each shot a crazy amount of damage where it doesn't even need a debuff.

I will say that I don't think it's very good at shielded/barriered enemies. It doesn't feel like it takes the shields down as fast as say a full-auto and it means instead of one-shotting an enemy it turns into 2-3 shots. That's another reason why I use it on the 3 classes I mentioned because those have a reliable way to drop shields/barriers leaving only health/armor for the Saber.

[ochadd]

Magazine size.

[Steppdaddy2]

Thermal Scope + EB on SI or Ghost. If you quick scope on consoles, it's hard to not have 170k+ game.

[ryanshowseason3]

Because it sounds like ballistic intercourse.