Cypher_CS wrote...
Err... no.
The Crucible doesn't hack anything. Yes, it forces the Catalyst to show his cards, but more in the sense of being faced with an impasse. Not hacked by it.
Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 18 décembre 2012 - 06:36 .
How is it supposed to be able to do that though? I wouldn't put it past ME3 for that to be what's supposed to have happened but it's not a plausible explanation.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Cypher_CS wrote...
Err... no.
The Crucible doesn't hack anything. Yes, it forces the Catalyst to show his cards, but more in the sense of being faced with an impasse. Not hacked by it.
"The Crucible changed me... created... new possibilities. But I can't make them happen." -The Catalyst
The Crucible changed the programming of the Catalyst against its will. I'd say that fits the definition of 'hacking'.
Reorte wrote...
How is it supposed to be able to do that though? I wouldn't put it past ME3 for that to be what's supposed to have happened but it's not a plausible explanation.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Cypher_CS wrote...
Err... no.
The Crucible doesn't hack anything. Yes, it forces the Catalyst to show his cards, but more in the sense of being faced with an impasse. Not hacked by it.
"The Crucible changed me... created... new possibilities. But I can't make them happen." -The Catalyst
The Crucible changed the programming of the Catalyst against its will. I'd say that fits the definition of 'hacking'.
Modifié par Pyk, 18 décembre 2012 - 07:27 .
Modifié par Seival, 18 décembre 2012 - 07:31 .
David7204 wrote...
Look at you. Are you proud to argue like a clown, using childish terms like 'derp' and 'buttplug' in every post?
David7204 wrote...
Nobody is hacked. The Crucible is nothing but a power source. The Catalyst hands the choice over to Shepard because he recognizes that Shepard knows or understands something he doesn't.
Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 18 décembre 2012 - 07:30 .
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Nobody is hacked. The Crucible is nothing but a power source. The Catalyst hands the choice over to Shepard because he recognizes that Shepard knows or understands something he doesn't.
"The Crucible changed me... created... new possibilities. But I can't make them happen." -The Catalyst
It doesn't get more obvious than that. I rest my case.
David7204 wrote...
A childish game with childish writing that you're perfectly willing to spend hours discussing? Tell me, what does that say about you?
Seival wrote...
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
David7204 wrote...
Nobody is hacked. The Crucible is nothing but a power source. The Catalyst hands the choice over to Shepard because he recognizes that Shepard knows or understands something he doesn't.
"The Crucible changed me... created... new possibilities. But I can't make them happen." -The Catalyst
It doesn't get more obvious than that. I rest my case.
Opinion change occurs not only because of hacking attempts
Shepard's actions convinced the Catalyst that Cycled Harvests solution is obsolete. That's why Catalyst helps Shepard in the end. The Catalyst wasn't hacked, because battery is not a hacking device, and because Catalyst just can't be hacked.
andy69156915 wrote...
"Edit: That said, I don't agree with the idea of a "mental connection" between Shepard and the Crucible though. That just doesn't make any sense and sounds closer to fanfiction than an actual explanation of the nonsensical Catalyst drivel that we get in ME3."
Maybe. I do think though that seeing as the Catalyst and Crucible are linked by that point, that rejecting the Crucible by rejecting the options listed by the hacked-Catalyst is what shuts it off. The catalyst doesn't shut it off, it he could do that himself, he would on low EMS (if the only option is destroy and... Destroy, no way would he even give you a chance to use it at all). That's how I know that Shepard is the one that shuts it down with rejection. The mind link thing is just my idea of HOW Shepard turns it off. The question isn't who shuts it off in refuse, it's Shepard and it's obvious. What the question actually is, is how exactly does the it happen in the case of Shepard rejecting all the Crucible options.
Still, there is another explanation. If the Catalyst and Crucible are linked, which they are, then the Catalyst would be the ears of the Crucible too and not just a mouthpiece. Which is to say, the Crucible was listening to Shepard through the Catalyst, so when you tell it to shove off, the Crucible does exactly what it heard you tell it to do audibly. Same with shooting, shooting the Catalyst was seen as a rejection to all options, at which point it just shuts down because there's no point in staying on.
Think of the Catalyst as the eyes, ears, and mouth for the Crucible. Tell it no, and it obeys and shuts off. Shooting it is also a rejection, as it reads into your motives as that being your decision in the event you do that.
Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:41 .
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