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[Kataigida]

And before you say anything, just because a character is an Adept/Vanguard, doesn't mean they are a 'Biotic.' I have seen no valid arguement as to why a Geth can't have biotic-like abilities, and most of the time I just see people saying 'Biotics. Bio-Tics. Bio means living. Geth aren't living. Duh, stupid.'

All a Geth would need to have biotic-like abilities is to have a small eezo core inside of it. Run the right electrical charge through it and it would be able to create mass effect fields. The most common form of this technology is already in ships, but there are other things that use mass effect fields. Most of the weapons on ships have some kind of mass-effect-field technology, and hell even Traynor's old toothbrush had the ability to generate miniature mass effect fields (to break up plaque), so why can't a Geth do it?

Let me hit a few key points I have seen before.

"The electrical buildup of the eezo core would overload the Geth."
-- This counter-arguement is kind of strange in my opinion. At the very least, Geth are exposed to high-electric situations all the time (energy drain, overload) but you don't see them dropping like flies. As it stand, Geth are at least smart enough to ground their electronic components, or are able to re-direct harmful electrical pulses. Even under conditions that would normally destroy our own shields, they have thrived (Haelstrom). Also, if the geth were to build an eezo-equipped platform, it would obviously be designed to prevent overflow to other systems.

"A Geth can't handle controlling an eezo core and fighting on a battlefield."
-- Physical Geth are only a mobil combat platform. True Geth are just programs, and as we have seen from ME2, you can have over 1,000 programs in a single platform. There are easily enough programs to manage every part of the platform, eezo core and all.

"An eezo core would take up too much room in a Geth."
-- The biotic nodes in asari and humans (and any other race) are microscopic in scale, and yet look at how much they can do. Are you telling me that even at say ten, twenty, or even thirty times the size of what organics have, it cannot be artificially created? Even at thirty times the size, the eezo cores would be small, and unlike organics, the Geth would have the ability to constantly update, manage, change, or remove their cores, giving them more versatility, greater control, and maybe even more powerful mass effect fields and singularities.


If anyone has any good reasons why there shouldn't be any Geth Adepts/Vanguards, I'm up for an intellectual debate or discussion. But so far I haven't seen too many good reasons. 

[LoonySpectre]

From the, um, lore point of view - if geth haven't developed any substitutes for biotic powers in 300 years despite having all necessary information, they probably just didn't feel the need.

[Clayless]

Because they don't read the codex.

[Uchimura]

What's the purpose?

[d_nought]

Because we already have Protheans for new biotic classes

[Equi_nox]

Listen to yourself. You're indoctrinated!

[doozerdude]

Because we need hanar first

[Kataigida]

LoonySpectre wrote...

From the, um, lore point of view - if geth haven't developed any substitutes for biotic powers in 300 years despite having all necessary information, they probably just didn't feel the need.

While true, it's not like the Geth have been fighting for all 300 of those years. Besides the initial rebellion, the geth would almost never leave the Veil except for recon. The only other time the Geth truly went into combat was during ME1 when the Heretics came out of the Veil for Soveriegn.

I would think that the Geth haven't really bothered with augmenting themselves in such a way because even if they were preparing for war with the Quarians or whatnot, most of their resources would be for their ships, since it seems like very little ground-side fighting would actually be involved except in key locations.

With the Reaper threat though, all possible forces should be put out, including new platform designs, or even prototypes.

[WildHog70]

LoonySpectre wrote...

From the, um, lore point of view - if geth haven't developed any substitutes for biotic powers in 300 years despite having all necessary information, they probably just didn't feel the need.

A counter argument: The geth have a new interest in organics, first seen by the creation of Legion to better understand organics. Of course, now the geth are actively working with organics, so they may see biotics effectiveness and want to emulate biotics somehow.

I can see an expansion of the lore to include geth having biotic-like abilities, but an MP DLC probably isn't the venue for introducing it.

[someone else]

...don't tell me, let me guess. You chose synthesis, you li'l devil.

[xsdob]

It could work, but there is the question of why it hasn't been implemented before by the geth? Basically, this is the volus arguments all over again, just with different words but the same determination to deny it's even possible, when in reality it could very feasibly be done.

[treydeeze]

You have to an organic to use biotics. Geth are machines simple and plain. I dont understand why you guys wrap yourselves in all this unnecessary what if lore scenarios. C'mon Son!!!

[fayk_id]

there can be no debate. what you describe is possible and lore-friendly.

it does not say anywhere that you have to be organic to generate and manipulate ME field. that would be ridiculous

[Clayless]

treydeeze wrote...

You have to an organic to use biotics. Geth are machines simple and plain. I dont understand why you guys wrap yourselves in all this unnecessary what if lore scenarios. C'mon Son!!!

No you don't.

Seriously does no one read the codex.

[Kataigida]

treydeeze wrote...

You have to an organic to use biotics. Geth are machines simple and plain. I dont understand why you guys wrap yourselves in all this unnecessary what if lore scenarios. C'mon Son!!!

Did you....not even read the first thing I said in the OP?

Kataigida wrote...

And before you say anything, just because a character is an Adept/Vanguard, doesn't mean they are a 'Biotic.' I have seen no valid arguement as to why a Geth can't have biotic-like abilities, and most of the time I just see people saying 'Biotics. Bio-Tics. Bio means living. Geth aren't living. Duh, stupid.' 

[Soja57]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

treydeeze wrote...

You have to an organic to use biotics. Geth are machines simple and plain. I dont understand why you guys wrap yourselves in all this unnecessary what if lore scenarios. C'mon Son!!!

No you don't.

Seriously does no one read the codex.

Many people throw the codex out the window when it comes to MP.

Modifié par Soja57, 18 décembre 2012 - 05:05 .

[lazuli]

I don't want another character with Hunter Mode. It hurts my eyes and makes my xbox crash more than any other power.

[xsdob]

treydeeze wrote...

You have to an organic to use biotics. Geth are machines simple and plain. I dont understand why you guys wrap yourselves in all this unnecessary what if lore scenarios. C'mon Son!!!

Lack of reading skills detected.

[LoonySpectre]

Is it ever clarified how exactly long is the time between the resolution of geth/quarian conflict and final battle on Earth? If Thessia, Horizon and Cerberus base attack happen, say, in a couple of months of time, it might be feasible for geth to try some new features. If in a week or even few days - not so.

[Soja57]

lazuli wrote...

I don't want another character with Hunter Mode. It hurts my eyes and makes my xbox crash more than any other power.

OP didn't say anything about Hunter Mode. Don't know where you pulled this out from.

[xsdob]

LoonySpectre wrote...

Is it ever clarified how exactly long is the time between the resolution of geth/quarian conflict and final battle on Earth? If Thessia, Horizon and Cerberus base attack happen, say, in a couple of months of time, it might be feasible for geth to try some new features. If in a week or even few days - not so.

What if the reapers were working on prototyping the geth biotics and didn't finish them when the geth were set free? They have shown an in-depth understanding of biotics before, it would be entirly possible that they worked on modifying the geth to use them as well.

[Soja57]

LoonySpectre wrote...

Is it ever clarified how exactly long is the time between the resolution of geth/quarian conflict and final battle on Earth? If Thessia, Horizon and Cerberus base attack happen, say, in a couple of months of time, it might be feasible for geth to try some new features. If in a week or even few days - not so.

Most likely between a month to a few months worth of time. And remember, geth can process information many times faster than organics, therefore it seems likely that they could learn to use "biotics" quickly if the need ever arises.

[xxHarbinger]

someone else wrote...

...don't tell me, let me guess. You chose synthesis, you li'l devil.

Considering that, now it's quite possible

[Kataigida]

LoonySpectre wrote...

Is it ever clarified how exactly long is the time between the resolution of geth/quarian conflict and final battle on Earth? If Thessia, Horizon and Cerberus base attack happen, say, in a couple of months of time, it might be feasible for geth to try some new features. If in a week or even few days - not so.

In the game in a few certain dialouges characters will talk about how it has been at least a few months since the start of the invasion. I can't remember exactly which ones, but I would say it's a minimum of 3 months from the begining of the invasion to Earth, but probably more.

[FlowCytometry]

Robiotic Charge

Smash your opponents while encased in this biotic barrier, leveling your 200 health Geth platform to make the enemy say 'wtf is with this wind?'.

jk, I wouldn't mind a Geth biotic- but then again I'm always up for more playable Geth, so I'm not the best person to ask :|