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[RasenRebirth]

Eterna5 wrote...

I think the endings are brilliant and I'm a writer.

You must now consider my opinion more valid than your own.

I'm a writer to and a few friends of mine I keep in contact with to colab, and we disagree with it.

[Eterna]

RasenRebirth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I think the endings are brilliant and I'm a writer.

You must now consider my opinion more valid than your own.

I'm a writer to and a few friends of mine I keep in contact with to colab, and we disagree with it.

Yeah but I'm a better writer. 

[Reth Shepherd]

Eterna5 wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I think the endings are brilliant and I'm a writer.

You must now consider my opinion more valid than your own.

I'm a writer to and a few friends of mine I keep in contact with to colab, and we disagree with it.

Yeah but I'm a better writer. 

Hi Casey. How's the weather in Canada today?

[AndroLeonidas]

I'm a writer too. I even have two published Sci-fi books. I have a Yahoo Group with all four complete books in my current Sci-fi/Fantasy series as well as first 25 Chapter of fifth Book.

My opinion is not more valid than others, but based on what I have learned over the course of becoming a better writer in the last dozen years, the ending og ME3 and the attempt to fix it with the EC was woefully inept and completely ignored the resonance of the entire series. But that is just my opinion.

I don't care about another Mass Effect game because I believe Bioware will do the same thign they did with the first three... build you up and then smash you down. Too many writers outside the walls of Bioware have written far better endings to this game for it to just be a fluke or a vocal minority. And I wouldn't trust anything Chris says now.

Ah well. I have moved on to other things now. If and when they fix it, which they won't, then I will come back.

[Eterna]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I think the endings are brilliant and I'm a writer.

You must now consider my opinion more valid than your own.

I'm a writer to and a few friends of mine I keep in contact with to colab, and we disagree with it.

Yeah but I'm a better writer. 

Hi Casey. How's the weather in Canada today?

Pretty ****. 

[KevShep]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Ah well. I have moved on to other things now. If and when they fix it, which they won't, then I will come back.

This^

[Arxduke]

Yes please. If not. Just have Miranda pull another Lazerus Project thing. She'll know what to do this time. Shepard can never die. >

[Seboist]

garrusfan1 wrote...

 I hope

Sorry bro, you better stick with the vaseline and fan fiction cause your waifu ain't gonna be there for you.

[Daniel_N7]

garrusfan1 wrote...

 I hope

I still believe we haven't seen the end of Shepard and I don't care what anybody says. We know that the next DLC is "all hands on deck" with over 8 writers involved. We know there's an extended soundtrack by Sam Hulick with a "high potential for tears". Well, for heaven's sake, Mass Effect 3 had me crying the entire year but I don't mind to cry one more time for my Shepards if that brings them back to life. So yeah, hope without garantees, I'm on board.

Shepard... Wake up!

[garrusfan1]

Daniel N7 well said

[RocketManSR2]

Daniel_N7 wrote...

I still believe we haven't seen the end of Shepard and I don't care what anybody says. We know that the next DLC is "all hands on deck" with over 8 writers involved. We know there's an extended soundtrack by Sam Hulick with a "high potential for tears". Well, for heaven's sake, Mass Effect 3 had me crying the entire year but I don't mind to cry one more time for my Shepards if that brings them back to life. So yeah, hope without garantees, I'm on board.

Shepard... Wake up!

I saw that info, too. It's the only reason I'm here again after 5 months. Hope.

[FreshRevenge]

I still can't wrap my head around the ending of ME3. I mean everything was great until that last moment. I mean even with EC it still feels wrong. Like the ending doesn't fit with the universe of Mass Effect.

If they would release a prologue or something that fixes the ending than I would be satisfied. I also don't think they should kill Shepard. I mean Shepard dies at the beginning ME2, so I don't know why they thought killing Shepard would make the ending so much better? The ending still makes me feel sick because all my choices just seem irrelevant at the end.

[Krunjar]

Look guys it's about time you faced reality. Shepard is not dead because he is in fact a fictional character. And mass effect is just a game. Like star wars was just a movie. I mean it's cool and all that people love these kind of franchises but that's all they are. Only reason people are annoyed at the ending is because it was actually clever not a "hero saves the day/use the force Luke" generic pos that catered to their own fantasies. Mass effect is still an extremely uplifting series. And a blast to play through but, like star wars and star trek it is pulp sci-fi NOT quality sci-fi and it has never been even since the first installment. I can understand people being narked off because well sometimes your just in the mood for cheese and the series did kind of throw clever at you as a curve ball at the end. But that's a perfectly valid creative choice and no one has any "right" to demand anything else.

I would just like to make it clear that i wont be buying any more ME games but that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the endings. It has to do with their being dramatically less exploration and side content in the second two games. I like exploring an expansive universe like they did in ME1. ME2 was nerfed in that regard but still just about passable. Me3 is just too horribly linear.

[Maniccc]

We have very different definitions of "clever". I define ME3's starchild and Crucible the following way: deus ex machina born out of a total collapse of narrative in ME2. ME2 did not drive the Reaper story forward and offered no solution to the problem, not even a solid hint (no, I don't consider a very brief mention of "dark energy" a solid hint, especially since nothing more was developed in ME2 beyond that brief mention). Therefore, they had to toss in a jarring out of nowhere magic solution in ME3. Then they proceeded to violate all sense of narrative cohesion and believability by having a homicidal maniac preach to us a bunch of incoherent nonsense we knew to be false, but were forced to believe because they deprived us of any choice beyond buttons 1,2,3.

So basically, I suspect your definition of "clever" is this: massive, rampant and gross incompetence.

[tg0618]

I really hope they do.

[Reth Shepherd]

Krunjar wrote...

Look guys it's about time you faced reality. Shepard is not dead because he is in fact a fictional character. And mass effect is just a game. Like star wars was just a movie. I mean it's cool and all that people love these kind of franchises but that's all they are. Only reason people are annoyed at the ending is because it was actually clever not a "hero saves the day/use the force Luke" generic pos that catered to their own fantasies. Mass effect is still an extremely uplifting series. And a blast to play through but, like star wars and star trek it is pulp sci-fi NOT quality sci-fi and it has never been even since the first installment. I can understand people being narked off because well sometimes your just in the mood for cheese and the series did kind of throw clever at you as a curve ball at the end. But that's a perfectly valid creative choice and no one has any "right" to demand anything else.

I would just like to make it clear that i wont be buying any more ME games but that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the endings. It has to do with their being dramatically less exploration and side content in the second two games. I like exploring an expansive universe like they did in ME1. ME2 was nerfed in that regard but still just about passable. Me3 is just too horribly linear.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on the ending being "clever", as I don't call plagiarism clever. So far as I'm concerned, Bioware lost the right to call the endings "clever" when they ripped off the ending to Deus Ex. Let me say now that I'm aware of the truth of the saying, "there's nothing new under the sun", and that I'm aware that ALL stories told by humanity are derivative to some extent or other. That said, both games feature three choices given to you at the very end by a computer, and in both cases the endings are Merge, Control, or Destroy. As if that wasn't enough, the scene in the Decision Chambers at the end features conversations so similar that it is possible to swap out dialogue from one game for the other's and still have a semi-coherent conversation. (What makes me truly sad is that some of the themes mentioned by the Deus Ex computer work better for the Mass Effect universe than what was actually written in the game. Example: evolution and chaos.)

[dorktainian]

FreshRevenge wrote...
The ending still makes me feel sick because all my choices just seem irrelevant at the end.

  

yep...thats the ME3 ending for you.  too many choices at the end just confuses the hell out of everyone.  that was their point you know?  personally i would like to see the 4th option expanded on, but it'll probably never happen.  To me the 4th option is the only one that makes any sense whatsoever.  throw away the decision wheel and choose for yourself.

break the cycle.

[Krunjar]

Look it's very simple the actual content of the Me3 ending and how realistic it is is secondary to the question it asks. It makes you make a very tough and very insightful moral decision with extremely heavy consequences. The sheer depth of the arguments in favor of particular endings only re-enforces the poignancy of the moral schism forced on the player at the end. The player through the game built up an idea of who there Shepard is and for everyone that idea is probably different and colored by their own perceptions, choices and beliefs. The choice is such that there are good and bad points to each. So in that situation what does Shepard choose? It's about both the morality of the player and the conflict of that morality with the logic that an indifferent universe demands of those who wish to survive.

The question is so good that it spawned mammoth threads either defending one ending or debunking another. In the supreme irony there is actually no greater testament to the cleverness of the Me3 ending than the BSN itself.

Personally I can't speak for the ending of Deus Ex because I never got round to playing that series. But if the ending IS that similar it is a bit sus il grant you. I can only say I liked Me's ending and understood it. Weither or not it's a ripoff or not is a matter for copyright lawyers though and I won't be drawn into a debate on that  

Modifié par Krunjar, 22 décembre 2012 - 09:11 .

[StElmo]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

This was worth a thread.

I agree. It was.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Download mehem mod then

[StElmo]

Eterna5 wrote...

RasenRebirth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I think the endings are brilliant and I'm a writer.

You must now consider my opinion more valid than your own.

I'm a writer to and a few friends of mine I keep in contact with to colab, and we disagree with it.

Yeah but I'm a better writer. 

Have you read mckee? just curious.

[StElmo]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Download mehem mod then

Maybe one day. It cuts the whole starkid thing though doesn't it? I don't have a problem with starkid since leviathan, just a few lore issues. But I'd love an official bit of closure from BW, all tying up loose ends and the lore and all that

Modifié par StElmo, 23 décembre 2012 - 05:54 .

[Reth Shepherd]

StElmo wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Download mehem mod then

Maybe one day. It cuts the whole starkid thing though doesn't it? I don't have a problem with starkid since leviathan, just a few lore issues. But I'd love an official bit of closure from BW, all tying up loose ends and the lore and all that

Perhaps MEEM would be more up your alley, then? It doesn't have the ending MEHEM does, but it keeps Starbrat, albeit heavily modified to make more sense.

[ElitePinecone]

Nope.

[AlanC9]

dorktainian wrote...
yep...thats the ME3 ending for you.  too many choices at the end just confuses the hell out of everyone.  that was their point you know?  personally i would like to see the 4th option expanded on, but it'll probably never happen.  To me the 4th option is the only one that makes any sense whatsoever.  throw away the decision wheel and choose for yourself.

break the cycle.

Actually, the 4th option continues the cycle.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 décembre 2012 - 05:01 .