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[greengroove]

MR_PN wrote...

okay after reading all your choices i gotta say your a dick... sorry not trying to be rude or anything just saying

Heh, I'd say all my choices made sense. Wars aren't won by nice people

[NoForgiveness]

greengroove wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

okay after reading all your choices i gotta say your a dick... sorry not trying to be rude or anything just saying

Heh, I'd say all my choices made sense. Wars aren't won by nice people

sorry maybe i should rephrase that.. you used your head above your heart... i think this is the wrong way to go especially since its war

[DeinonSlayer]

MR_PN wrote...

greengroove wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

okay after reading all your choices i gotta say your a dick... sorry not trying to be rude or anything just saying

Heh, I'd say all my choices made sense. Wars aren't won by nice people

sorry maybe i should rephrase that.. you used your head above your heart... i think this is the wrong way to go especially since its war

How exactly do you think war works? In Mogadishu, during the Black Hawk Down incident, there were gunmen lying belly-down in the street shooting at US Army Rangers with civilians voluntarily sitting on their backs as human shields. No choice. The Rangers had to shoot back.

It's an ugly, ugly business. In real life, holding back out of sentimentality can get people killed. You can't Paragon your way out of everything.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 18 décembre 2012 - 08:20 .

[Dysjong]

Genophage is cured.
Made peace between the geth and quarians.
Persuade Ashley to believe in me, saving her life and saving me from a headache.
Synthesis.

[SpamBot2000]

greengroove wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

So OP, did you happen to play the Wii U version?

Nope. What makes you think that?

Just asking because of the timing, seeing as the Wii U version was released late last month. I'm a little curious to hear the impressions. Or indeed to hear if anyone bought it for the Wii U.

[Olopi]

Cured
Saved Ash
Peace
Destroy....

[NoForgiveness]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

greengroove wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

okay after reading all your choices i gotta say your a dick... sorry not trying to be rude or anything just saying

Heh, I'd say all my choices made sense. Wars aren't won by nice people

sorry maybe i should rephrase that.. you used your head above your heart... i think this is the wrong way to go especially since its war

How exactly do you think war works? In Mogadishu, during the Black Hawk Down incident, there were gunmen lying belly-down in the street shooting at US Army Rangers with civilians voluntarily sitting on their backs as human shields. No choice. The Rangers had to shoot back.

It's an ugly, ugly business. In real life, holding back out of sentimentality can get people killed. You can't Paragon your way out of everything.

this is a bad example id say kill them all since its voluntarily but say... civil war grants strategy was to use numbers alone just throw in troops to be mowed down.. and this is wrong victory is not who wins the battle but who saves the most

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Freed the Queen
Killed Wrex
Rescued Kaidan
Romance Liara
Saved the Destiny Ascension
Retained Spectre
Destroyed Cure
Killed Maelon
Tali not exiled
David to Grissom
Blew up Heretics
No Casualties on SM
EMP Base
LotSB ... romance Liara
Faked Cure/Mordin Lived
Kaidan becomes XO on Normandy and is Shepard's best friend.
romance Liara
Made Peace
MEHEM -- yet to be played.... otherwise refuse.

I agree Ashley can be really a pain, especially if Thane died in ME2. That happened on one play where I chose Ash on Virmire, and romanced Thane, had an unloyal Legion, and an unloyal Miranda during the SM. Thane got taken by a seeker swarm. I had romanced him. This makes Ash even more mistrustful of Shepard.

If you paragon her she thinks your a wuss, and will lose even more respect for you. I'll tell you that right now. Renegade appeals to her warrior honor, but with Thane dead she will still keep going and going. When you visit her in the hospital, buy her Tennyson, and use the renegade conversation. She's a warrior. Paragon? It makes that intimidate/persuade very difficult @ Udina. I tried being "nice" earlier and ended up taking the renegade interrupt and shot her. I was playing femShep. It is easier with Sheploo since she's a romance option.

Kaidan is much easier with femShep.

[Galbrant]

Cured the Genophage
Save Kaiden
Made peace between the Quarians and Geth though I agree with you on this matter OP I might just change my mind.
Don't have a PC so can't get a real ending like MEHEM so,,,, refuse. Thanks Bioware Mass Effect 3 is a great place to start if you don't give a rats ass about a coherent story line.

[NoForgiveness]

Galbrant wrote...

Cured the Genophage
Save Kaiden
Made peace between the Quarians and Geth though I agree with you on this matter OP I might just change my mind.
Don't have a PC so can't get a real ending like MEHEM so,,,, refuse. Thanks Bioware Mass Effect 3 is a great place to start if you don't give a rats ass about a coherent story line.

omg i love your sig

[DeinonSlayer]

MR_PN wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...



How exactly do you think war works? In Mogadishu, during the Black Hawk Down incident, there were gunmen lying belly-down in the street shooting at US Army Rangers with civilians voluntarily sitting on their backs as human shields. No choice. The Rangers had to shoot back.

It's an ugly, ugly business. In real life, holding back out of sentimentality can get people killed. You can't Paragon your way out of everything.

this is a bad example id say kill them all since its voluntarily but say... civil war grants strategy was to use numbers alone just throw in troops to be mowed down.. and this is wrong victory is not who wins the battle but who saves the most

That would be an example of using neither your heart nor your head. The technology of war changed, and it took a while for the generals to wrap their heads around the idea that tactics needed to adapt with the times. The old rules no longer applied. Sort of like how our approach in Iraq had to change to counter an insurgency.

And I'm sorry. Your definition of victory is just plain wrong. The Soviets lost around 15% of their population in WW2. They treated their soldiers like cannon fodder. But you can't deny that they beat Germany.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 18 décembre 2012 - 08:48 .

[3DandBeyond]

iakus wrote...

Cured the genophage (with Wrex +Eve)
Talked down Ash (was my LI)
Made peace
MEHEM

I cured
made peace
encouraged love between Joker and EDI
saved Ashley, Liara as LI

Refused to play through the ending more than a few times for information
Am working on a MEHEM ending now

Overall was left disappointed and disgusted by BW, heartened by those that worked on the MEHEM

[NoForgiveness]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...



How exactly do you think war works? In Mogadishu, during the Black Hawk Down incident, there were gunmen lying belly-down in the street shooting at US Army Rangers with civilians voluntarily sitting on their backs as human shields. No choice. The Rangers had to shoot back.

It's an ugly, ugly business. In real life, holding back out of sentimentality can get people killed. You can't Paragon your way out of everything.

this is a bad example id say kill them all since its voluntarily but say... civil war grants strategy was to use numbers alone just throw in troops to be mowed down.. and this is wrong victory is not who wins the battle but who saves the most

That would be an example of using neither your heart nor your head. The technology of war changed, and it took a while for the generals to wrap their heads around the idea that tactics needed to adapt with the times. The old rules no longer applied. Sort of like how our approach in Iraq had to change to counter an insurgency.

back on topic..  you would kill the geth instead of giving them life? reaper tech or not they deserve life aside from taking the reapers deal when the quarians attacked (which theyre forced to do) theyve never done anything wrong

[3DandBeyond]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
That would be an example of using neither your heart nor your head. The technology of war changed, and it took a while for the generals to wrap their heads around the idea that tactics needed to adapt with the times. The old rules no longer applied. Sort of like how our approach in Iraq had to change to counter an insurgency.

And I'm sorry. Your definition of victory is just plain wrong. The Soviets lost around 15% of their population in WW2. They treated their soldiers like cannon fodder. But you can't deny that they beat Germany.

Not really a good example of what to do.

However, it is one thing to be forced into shooting back.  It is another to do so merely to end things with little understanding of what you just did.

If you just go through and try to explain exactly what that whole description of destroy means, you will see the problems with it.  It makes no real sense.

War is tragic, but that does not mean it's no holds barred and anything is acceptable in order to just get it over.  If that were the case, then forget about ever trying diplomacy, forget about civilians altogether, forget about anyone's idea of morals, let alone mine, and when conflicts erupt just do whatever it takes to get it over.  Someone takes hostages, frack them. bomb the place and kill everyone inside, hostages too.  So what, who cares.

The reality is that in the past this was the mentality.  But at least we attempt to be a bit more cautious than that.  We don't decide we need to win wars now and nuke our foes.  But neither are airstrikes surgical and without collateral damage.  By the same token it's highly unlikely that some people would drop nukes on their own large cities in order to appease the enemy rather than choose to stand together and fight back, even if futile.  I imagine there are societies that would do so, but I can't imagine that being done where I live.  If that's the case then maybe the world should end this week.  I look and see what's happening in the world today and what has always happened.  People decide they will fight for self-determination, even if they will die or lose.  They reached a tipping point and realized that life was not worth living as it was and freedom on their terms was worth dying for.

[DeinonSlayer]

I never said it was no-holds barred. The Soviet strategy won, but it was abhorrent. The point I'm trying to make is that using your heart and using your head aren't mutually exclusive. Lots of times, when a side in a war won through mass casualties, it was unnecessary - but not every time.

Sometimes you'll lose 20,000 men in a bloody slog today, and in so doing save 120,000 tomorrow.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 18 décembre 2012 - 09:23 .

[DeinonSlayer]

MR_PN wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

That would be an example of using neither your heart nor your head. The technology of war changed, and it took a while for the generals to wrap their heads around the idea that tactics needed to adapt with the times. The old rules no longer applied. Sort of like how our approach in Iraq had to change to counter an insurgency.

back on topic..  you would kill the geth instead of giving them life? reaper tech or not they deserve life aside from taking the reapers deal when the quarians attacked (which theyre forced to do) theyve never done anything wrong

The Geth VI gives you no choice. It will only help you if you let it kill the Quarians, and it is completely remorseless about doing so. Even if I did trust the Geth (who, let me remind you, sided with the Reapers and lie to you multiple times), after what happened with the IFF, I'd trust that Reaper code about as far as I can throw Heretic Station. And I call bull**** on that last point. They systematically exterminated over 99% of the Quarian population in the span of a year. Given the attitude of the VI (Legion's perspective didn't exist two years ago), this behavior comes as absolutely no surprise to me. It's pretty naive to accept everything they tell you in the server mission as both fact, and the COMPLETE truth - they have a vested interest in getting Shepard's sympathy, and they're in control of EVERYTHING Shepard sees in there.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 18 décembre 2012 - 09:32 .

[NoForgiveness]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

That would be an example of using neither your heart nor your head. The technology of war changed, and it took a while for the generals to wrap their heads around the idea that tactics needed to adapt with the times. The old rules no longer applied. Sort of like how our approach in Iraq had to change to counter an insurgency.

back on topic..  you would kill the geth instead of giving them life? reaper tech or not they deserve life aside from taking the reapers deal when the quarians attacked (which theyre forced to do) theyve never done anything wrong

The Geth VI gives you no choice. It will only help you if you let it kill the Quarians, and it is completely remorseless about doing so. Even if I did trust the Geth (who, let me remind you, sided with the Reapers and lie to you multiple times), after what happened with the IFF, I'd trust that Reaper code about as far as I can throw Heretic Station. And I call bull**** on that last point. They systematically exterminated over 99% of the Quarian population in the span of a year. Given the attitude of the VI (Legion's perspective didn't exist two years ago), this behavior comes as absolutely no surprise to me.

the vi sounds bad i always have legion so i wouldn't know... but the geth were slaves and were attacked first. and they protected quarians with there lives during the martial law and if they wanted to exterminate the quarians they couldve chased them and done that. but they didnt they stayed and made graves/memorials or something for the ones they killed

[DeinonSlayer]

MR_PN wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
The Geth VI gives you no choice. It will only help you if you let it kill the Quarians, and it is completely remorseless about doing so. Even if I did trust the Geth (who, let me remind you, sided with the Reapers and lie to you multiple times), after what happened with the IFF, I'd trust that Reaper code about as far as I can throw Heretic Station. And I call bull**** on that last point. They systematically exterminated over 99% of the Quarian population in the span of a year. Given the attitude of the VI (Legion's perspective didn't exist two years ago), this behavior comes as absolutely no surprise to me.

the vi sounds bad i always have legion so i wouldn't know... but the geth were slaves and were attacked first. and they protected quarians with there lives during the martial law and if they wanted to exterminate the quarians they couldve chased them and done that. but they didnt they stayed and made graves/memorials or something for the ones they killed

Yes, the "it's not genocide if I let a handful live" argument. I really hate to Godwin this topic, but Hitler "pardoned" his Jewish family doctor.

The Geth are not innocent, and Legion is the first to say so (both in ME2 and ME3). At some point in the war (when the majority of public opinion shifted against the Geth, if Legion's wording is any indication) the Geth ceased to discriminate who they targeted - they used enough chemical weapons to make a three-hundred year ecological restoration effort necessary. Against a population composed mostly of civilians, this is not an act of self-defense. With Legion's perspective mixed in, the Geth are eager to atone for killing so many. The VI's geth are eager to finish the job.

I'd rather not hijack this thread. Hit me up via PM if you want to keep discussing this.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 18 décembre 2012 - 09:59 .

[marte.kvamme]

Cure genophage with Wrex and Eve, make peace between quarians and geth, romance Garrus, blow up station. Everyone lives... well, except Ashley.

Also this, unfortunately.

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Most of the time I just eject the disc when Anderson dies.

[blueumi]

Cured the Genophage,
talked sense in to Kaidan since is my li
made peace
destroyed the reapers

[NoForgiveness]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
The Geth VI gives you no choice. It will only help you if you let it kill the Quarians, and it is completely remorseless about doing so. Even if I did trust the Geth (who, let me remind you, sided with the Reapers and lie to you multiple times), after what happened with the IFF, I'd trust that Reaper code about as far as I can throw Heretic Station. And I call bull**** on that last point. They systematically exterminated over 99% of the Quarian population in the span of a year. Given the attitude of the VI (Legion's perspective didn't exist two years ago), this behavior comes as absolutely no surprise to me.

the vi sounds bad i always have legion so i wouldn't know... but the geth were slaves and were attacked first. and they protected quarians with there lives during the martial law and if they wanted to exterminate the quarians they couldve chased them and done that. but they didnt they stayed and made graves/memorials or something for the ones they killed

Yes, the "it's not genocide if I let a handful live" argument. I really hate to Godwin this topic, but Hitler "pardoned" his Jewish family doctor.

The Geth are not innocent, and Legion is the first to say so (both in ME2 and ME3). At some point in the war (when the majority of public opinion shifted against the Geth, if Legion's wording is any indication) the Geth ceased to discriminate who they targeted - they used enough chemical weapons to make a three-hundred year ecological restoration effort necessary. Against a population composed mostly of civilians, this is not an act of self-defense. With Legion's perspective mixed in, the Geth are eager to atone for killing so many. The VI's geth are eager to finish the job.

actually i may side with the quarians if i had vi he sounds like a complete dbag.. but i love legion and he believes the geth can and will atone and everyone deserves that chance

[DeinonSlayer]

MR_PN wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Yes, the "it's not genocide if I let a handful live" argument. I really hate to Godwin this topic, but Hitler "pardoned" his Jewish family doctor.

The Geth are not innocent, and Legion is the first to say so (both in ME2 and ME3). At some point in the war (when the majority of public opinion shifted against the Geth, if Legion's wording is any indication) the Geth ceased to discriminate who they targeted - they used enough chemical weapons to make a three-hundred year ecological restoration effort necessary. Against a population composed mostly of civilians, this is not an act of self-defense. With Legion's perspective mixed in, the Geth are eager to atone for killing so many. The VI's geth are eager to finish the job.

actually i may side with the quarians if i had vi he sounds like a complete dbag.. but i love legion and he believes the geth can and will atone and everyone deserves that chance

Recall the part where EDI "chooses to be a good person," which catches Joker off-guard. This is essentially what happens if Legion returns to the Geth Collective. The Geth are immortal, with the blood of billions on their hands. Legion, I view as a reformed killer. The VI is an unrepentant one (it doesn't "honor" or even acknowledge the Quarians who died defending Geth in its own footage). I want to see the Geth acknowledge what they did, and act to redeem themselves. But ignoring all uncertainties around the trustworthiness of the Reaper code itself, if I can't make peace, I'll side with the Quarians every single time.

[Jadebaby]

Destroy used to be the best imo.

But now that we know the Leviathans are still around. It's pretty much a certainty that it will all happen again.

[Neizd]

Cured
Saved
Made peace
refused because my Shepard believes in his own hard work, not some unknown machine controlled by some evil reaper AI.

[DeinonSlayer]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Destroy used to be the best imo.

But now that we know the Leviathans are still around. It's pretty much a certainty that it will all happen again.

They don't exist in my canon. I didn't blow up the Alpha Relay either.