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[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Yoda in Star wars episode 2 carry staff when walking, because he is old, 400 years old, but when magic battle with Dooku, he throw away his staff, then he fencing with lightsaber jumping around and striking...

That is the actual reason why Mages being stereotypically carrying a staff, because the character is old person. Not because the staff have power or a must, just for the person can walk properly

And actually, Mages carry staff is driven by the image of Moses carrying staff have a challenge with Pharaoh magicians...and splitting the sea...

Merlin i know using wand...

Yoda wasn't a Mage and he didn't actually need help walking, its not a relevant example.

Moses wasn't an old man.  All of his miracles were performed through his god blessed staff as I recall.

Merlin... There are many different versions of Arthurian legend, only some of which include a wand.  Most I remember have him using nothing at all.

[DeathScepter]

Nizaris1 wrote...

As for where staves came from in association with magic and wizards?

Merlin. Merlin is the answer.

Yoda in Star wars episode 2 carry staff when walking, because he is old, 400 years old, but when magic battle with Dooku, he throw away his staff, then he fencing with lightsaber jumping around and striking...

That is the actual reason why Mages being stereotypically carrying a staff, because the character is old person. Not because the staff have power or a must, just for the person can walk properly

And actually, Mages carry staff is driven by the image of Moses carrying staff have a challenge with Pharaoh magicians...and splitting the sea...

Merlin i know using wand...

Yoda is over 800 years and The Jedi Order has dedicated Fighting systems in places. So Even a Mage type character like Yoda is a Master Swordman.

[DeathScepter]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The actual weapon for magicians is wand, not staff.

You see a music conductor using a "wand" in orchestra right? It is because music is like magic, and the the conductor is like a magician or a mage "conducting" or orchestrate the magic

Staff is for walking, for an old man...

Nizaris, Staff is for walking for all Ages. For example, there is a Martial Technique in South Asian that involves A staff and jumping a river. What I do remember about it, the Phoenix kick was used to cross a deep but narrow River. Also it was good to kicking riders off their horses.

[DeathScepter]

To Nizaris, it is important for a person to be a certain age to use a staff? Staff in and of itself is a good weapon regardless of the age of the person.

[Saibh]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The actual weapon for magicians is wand, not staff.

You see a music conductor using a "wand" in orchestra right? It is because music is like magic, and the the conductor is like a magician or a mage "conducting" or orchestrate the magic

Staff is for walking, for an old man...

Uh...no. 

Staves are often depicted as a source of power or artifact for wizards and mages. Staves themselves are used as weapons, in case you don't know. Like a bo. I don't even know what you're going on about now. They are. End of story.

Modifié par Saibh, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[Dhiro]

Isn't it already estabilished in the Dragon Age lore that mages use staves? Per tradition the Circle Mages receive a staff when they complete their Harrowing, so I personally don't think that wands being the true weapon of magicians or somesuch is that important here.

I do think that we should be able to use other kinds of weapons to focus magic, however.

Modifié par Dhiro, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The actual weapon for magicians is wand, not staff.

You see a music conductor using a "wand" in orchestra right? It is because music is like magic, and the the conductor is like a magician or a mage "conducting" or orchestrate the magic

Staff is for walking, for an old man...

Since there are no combat magicians in real life, who are you to say?

...The conductor uses a conducting baton to to direct a musical performance.  I'm fairly sure I've never heard of gestures being prerequisites for spells in DA, not to mention that metaphor of magic never being used.  Magic is up for interpretation.  The DA team didn't go with a music metaphor.

A staff has many uses, like clobbering people over the head or pole vaulting should you feel so inclined. 

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Nizaris, Staff is for walking for all Ages. For example, there is a Martial Technique in South Asian that involves A staff and jumping a river. What I do remember about it, the Phoenix kick was used to cross a deep but narrow River. Also it was good to kicking riders off their horses.

I am Asian and i am martial artist, so no need to BS me

Martial arts using cane or staff as primary weapon is called Silambam from India, and many martial art have cane/staff technique like in Silat and Shaolin

But these techniques is not used by youth, but old peoples, because old peoples walking with cane/staff. It is in the syllabus because it is an art. It is not used everyday even by anciant peoples, only old people use it

Actually stave fighting was common in Medieval Europe regardless of age.

[DeathScepter]

Saibh wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

The actual weapon for magicians is wand, not staff.

You see a music conductor using a "wand" in orchestra right? It is because music is like magic, and the the conductor is like a magician or a mage "conducting" or orchestrate the magic

Staff is for walking, for an old man...

Uh...no. 

Staves are often depicted as a source of power or artifact for wizards and mages. Staves themselves are used as weapons, in case you don't know. Like a bo. I don't even know what you're going on about now. They are. End of story.

Well Staves can be one source. At the same time, I am not against having another Magical Tradition to have their own unique weapons ranging from Sigils on the body, to Gaunlets to Swords to Escmira Sticks, to Fans to others.

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Actually stave fighting was common in Medieval Europe regardless of age.

Of course, guns and canons also being used by ancient Malays...

Point?  You claimed staves were to help old men walk.  I'm simply telling you this is not so.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 19 décembre 2012 - 03:03 .

[DeathScepter]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Nizaris, Staff is for walking for all Ages. For example, there is a Martial Technique in South Asian that involves A staff and jumping a river. What I do remember about it, the Phoenix kick was used to cross a deep but narrow River. Also it was good to kicking riders off their horses.

I am Asian and i am martial artist, so no need to BS me

Martial arts using cane or staff as primary weapon is called Silambam from India, and many martial art have cane/staff technique like in Silat and Shaolin

But these techniques is not used by youth, but old peoples, because old peoples walking with cane/staff. It is in the syllabus because it is an art. It is not used everyday even by anciant peoples, only old people use it

Well What part of asian? and What style?

[Saibh]

DeathScepter wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

The actual weapon for magicians is wand, not staff.

You see a music conductor using a "wand" in orchestra right? It is because music is like magic, and the the conductor is like a magician or a mage "conducting" or orchestrate the magic

Staff is for walking, for an old man...

Uh...no. 

Staves are often depicted as a source of power or artifact for wizards and mages. Staves themselves are used as weapons, in case you don't know. Like a bo. I don't even know what you're going on about now. They are. End of story.

Well Staves can be one source. At the same time, I am not against having another Magical Tradition to have their own unique weapons ranging from Sigils on the body, to Gaunlets to Swords to Escmira Sticks, to Fans to others.

I don't even know what we're talking about at this point. But let me say:

1. Mages have used staves in fantasy long before DA. Whatever the reason for it was, they often represent magical power in fiction.

2. Regardless, mages in DA use staves. If they decided they fought with toothpicks, that's what the lore is and it doesn't matter if there isn't precedent.

3. There's no reason they can't use something else, but since this is a video game and classes are a thing, they don't. Maybe we'll see other mage weapons later. 

[Heimdall]

Just like to say, if you'd like to look at the origins of staves as sources of power for mages in modern fantasy, it would probably be most useful to look at Tolkein's Istari

[DeathScepter]

Saibh wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

The actual weapon for magicians is wand, not staff.

You see a music conductor using a "wand" in orchestra right? It is because music is like magic, and the the conductor is like a magician or a mage "conducting" or orchestrate the magic

Staff is for walking, for an old man...

Uh...no. 

Staves are often depicted as a source of power or artifact for wizards and mages. Staves themselves are used as weapons, in case you don't know. Like a bo. I don't even know what you're going on about now. They are. End of story.

Well Staves can be one source. At the same time, I am not against having another Magical Tradition to have their own unique weapons ranging from Sigils on the body, to Gaunlets to Swords to Escmira Sticks, to Fans to others.

I don't even know what we're talking about at this point. But let me say:

1. Mages have used staves in fantasy long before DA. Whatever the reason for it was, they often represent magical power in fiction.

2. Regardless, mages in DA use staves. If they decided they fought with toothpicks, that's what the lore is and it doesn't matter if there isn't precedent.

3. There's no reason they can't use something else, but since this is a video game and classes are a thing, they don't. Maybe we'll see other mage weapons later. 

you are right. Mage with a Staff is normal within DA. And I am not against it. I am suggesting some flexiblity with that Reach of theirs.

[DeathScepter]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Well What part of asian? and What style?

i am Malaysian, i learn many types of Silat, i also learn Tae Kwan Do when i was little but not finish it, and along the way i have martial artist friends of various martial arts, i also study about other martial arts, and now i am interested in Jeet Kune Do phylosophy

I do have a good respect for Silat.  And Side Note: Ninjutsu often does teaches Staff at all levels including several other weapons as well that is common place of Japan.

[Dhiro]

Hmm. If I had to guess, I'd say that what makes the staves a mage weapon (in DA lore, I really don't care where it came from or who uses it to walk) would be the wood. If not, and what matters is the enchantment, then anything can become a mage weapon.

We do know that attaching a blade to the staff doesn't make it any less suitable as a magical focus, as DA II staves have shown us. So... mage scythe, anyone?

[Heimdall]

I guess the Mage rebellion is going to want to come up with some way for Mages to compete with Templars in close quarters.

Assuming Arcane Warriors don't suddenly become commonplace, I'm thinking Polearms mostly but who knows?

[DeathScepter]

Nizaris1 wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

Well What part of asian? and What style?

i am Malaysian, i learn many types of Silat, i also learn Tae Kwan Do when i was little but not finish it, and along the way i have martial artist friends of various martial arts, i also study about other martial arts, and now i am interested in Jeet Kune Do phylosophy

I do have a good respect for Silat.  And Side Note: Ninjutsu often does teaches Staff at all levels including several other weapons as well that is common place of Japan.

Staff in Ninjutsu is NOT COMMON, it is situational, and usually it have balde inside it

And originally, staff using in Ninjutsu is for Ninjas who disguise as old men, they do have make up art that make young men look like old men

Ninjas are not like in the Ninja movies, in which misinfos and entertaintment, Ninjs can be an old dude smoking at a restaurant and wait to kill a person with a blow pipe without anyone ever realize it

A Ninja trains with all weapons regardless if there is another weapon in it. I do know that Ninjas are not like ones in the movies. Ninjutsu Philosophy is about adapting to the situation. And Understanding how to use all weapons very well is important. Many Ninjas are often used as Spies and Inflirators first and foremost. And a good roleplay a Ninja like Character within DAO, DAO:A, and DA2 is pick Rogue(a Full invested one) and then Specialize in Shadow Fully.