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[DeathScepter]

Nizaris1 wrote...

A Ninja trains with all weapons regardless if there is another weapon in it. I do know that Ninjas are not like ones in the movies. Ninjutsu Philosophy is about adapting to the situation. And Understanding how to use all weapons very well is important. Many Ninjas are often used as Spies and Inflirators first and foremost. And a good roleplay a Ninja like Character within DAO, DAO:A, and DA2 is pick Rogue(a Full invested one) and then Specialize in Shadow Fully.

in anyway, staff is not a common weapon in Japan, only Ninjas who is situational using it and old men, like in many part of the world, only old men using staff.

Mages depicted using staff in DA world is because Bioware rigidness and misconception of "Mage class"

every "Mage class" in Bioware games using this same identity, carrying a staff

just because you know that Old men use Staves. It doesn't limited other people from using it.


And keep in mind. there are a lot of idiots in the world. So a young Person can learn the staff and be excellent while an old man masters the Swords.

Age or gender shouldn't limited what weapons you use.

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

in anyway, staff is not a common weapon in Japan, only Ninjas who is situational using it and old men, like in many part of the world, only old men using staff.

Mages depicted using staff in DA world is because Bioware rigidness and misconception of "Mage class"

every "Mage class" in Bioware games using this same identity, carrying a staff

Except it is demonstratably untrue.  Like I said, staves were a common weapon in Europe, especially amongst travelers.  They aren't just for old men.

Misconception?  How so?  Staffs have been used by mages since the dawn of the modern fantasy genre.

What other games in recent memory have a Mage class?

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

that is not the issue, the issue is THE IDENTITY

of course anyone can use staff and maybe better with it, but do they carry staff in ancient time? Only old men carry staff, and even young men can use staff better because learn it he never use it because he never carry a staff until he get old

As I mentioned numerous times, your just flat out wrong about old men being the only ones with staffs.

Staffs have been the choice of travelers for thousands of years, largely because they can be used for a variety of purposes, combat being one of them.

[DeathScepter]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

that is not the issue, the issue is THE IDENTITY

of course anyone can use staff and maybe better with it, but do they carry staff in ancient time? Only old men carry staff, and even young men can use staff better because learn it he never use it because he never carry a staff until he get old

As I mentioned numerous times, your just flat out wrong about old men being the only ones with staffs.

Staffs have been the choice of travelers for thousands of years, largely because they can be used for a variety of purposes, combat being one of them.

  
you are right and Many Shaolin Monks often preferred the Staff due to their philosophy in their travels. But Many Shaolin Monks did train with other weapons including the Chinese DAO and Hooking Swords.

[DeathScepter]

in the end of the day, the staff is a versatile tool.

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

yeah...whatever...

they also going fishing with a staff...

Is that a bad thing?

[DeathScepter]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

yeah...whatever...

they also going fishing with a staff...

Is that a bad thing?

no

[Swagger7]

Nizaris1 wrote...

that is not the issue, the issue is THE IDENTITY

of course anyone can use staff and maybe better with it, but do they carry staff in ancient time? Only old men carry staff, and even young men can use staff better because learn it he never use it because he never carry a staff until he get old

As an Asian martial artist, it probably annoys you whenever ignorant Westerners start making silly comments about your martial arts and history.  Please stop doing the same thing to us.

Read this:
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Quarterstaff

[DeathScepter]

Swagger7 wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

that is not the issue, the issue is THE IDENTITY

of course anyone can use staff and maybe better with it, but do they carry staff in ancient time? Only old men carry staff, and even young men can use staff better because learn it he never use it because he never carry a staff until he get old

As an Asian martial artist, it probably annoys you whenever ignorant Westerners start making silly comments about your martial arts and history.  Please stop doing the same thing to us.

Read this:
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Quarterstaff

thank you.

[Heimdall]

More to the point on why staves are associated with Mages, a staff as a symbol is often associated with experience and wisdom, which does probably arise from its association with elders. A Mage presumably possesses much knowledge and experience beyond normal people. Additionally, many Mage staffs fall more into the realm of Sceptres, being symbols of power and authority. Mages certainly have power.

[Tatinger]

Saibh wrote...


1. Mages have used staves in fantasy long before DA. Whatever the reason for it was, they often represent magical power in fiction.

Lord Aesir wrote...

More to the point on why staves are associated with Mages, a staff as a symbol is often associated with
experience and wisdom, which does probably arise from its association with elders. A Mage presumably possesses much knowledge and experience beyond normal people. Additionally, many Mage staffs fall more into the realm of Sceptres, being symbols of power and authority. Mages certainly have power.

It's because of Moses.  His staff was the original "magic walking stick".  Supposedly, it derived its magical powers from being taken from the Tree of Life.  In fact, Moses was probably the archetype for the old man wizard character that we commonly associate with fantasy.  Circe, of Odyssey fame, also had a magic stick (in this case a wand) which she used to transform Odysseus' sailors into pigs.

Anywho...

We now return you to your "Staff on the Back" Dragon Age 3: Inquisition general discussion...

Modifié par Tatinger, 19 décembre 2012 - 07:13 .

[Swagger7]

DeathScepter wrote...

Swagger7 wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

that is not the issue, the issue is THE IDENTITY

of course anyone can use staff and maybe better with it, but do they carry staff in ancient time? Only old men carry staff, and even young men can use staff better because learn it he never use it because he never carry a staff until he get old

As an Asian martial artist, it probably annoys you whenever ignorant Westerners start making silly comments about your martial arts and history.  Please stop doing the same thing to us.

Read this:
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Quarterstaff

thank you.

You are quite welcome.

[Arppis]

Captain Crash wrote...

Actually until recently I thought there was a universal acceptance of of them being on your back. I personally think it looks pretty good. When Skyrim never did it I thought it was the biggest oversight ever.  Turns out a lot of people were happy with it.  Seemed odd to me, but like you said everyone has their own preference. I was just a little surprised I was a bit oblivious to it.

Also reading my initial post again, that came off a little snappy which wasn't my intention.  I think I have some pent up issues with Skyrim not having it still.

Your smiley made sure that you don't seem snappy. No harm done, mate.

[Wulfram]

Personally, I kind of wish we'd just go back to having weapons disappear when they aren't being used. At least, unless we get some sort of proper sheathes.

[Arppis]

Wulfram wrote...

Personally, I kind of wish we'd just go back to having weapons disappear when they aren't being used. At least, unless we get some sort of proper sheathes.

Well, I hope the swords wouldn't do that. I wish the characters would carry the shields on their arms when you are not in the city.

[Saibh]

Arppis wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Personally, I kind of wish we'd just go back to having weapons disappear when they aren't being used. At least, unless we get some sort of proper sheathes.

Well, I hope the swords wouldn't do that. I wish the characters would carry the shields on their arms when you are not in the city.

It would look goofy during animations and while your character was sprinting along.

[Wulfram]

Arppis wrote...

Well, I hope the swords wouldn't do that. I wish the characters would carry the shields on their arms when you are not in the city.

Swords mystically floating on the back bother me.

[Uccio]

The thing that hold both staffs and weapons in the characters back is called hover technology.A ancient Tevinter invention. You might have seen it in Back to the Future series.

Ps. I'd rather keep me a possibility to be a mage without staff. Makes it more believable to blend in the crowd expecially when you are a apostate blood mage. In Origins you could be without the staff, why not in DA2? It seems these new innovative steps seem to take the game backwards.

[Dhiro]

Nizaris1 wrote...

look like everyone want to dodge the obvious...

there in the picture....not only Hawke obviously look like a Mage, wearing robe and carrying staff, she also using magical attacks in front of Cullen...and Cullen don't give a ****, and he complaining about Mages, the whole Cullen dialogue up to the end of the quest is dialogue for non-Mage characters

I don't think anyone is ignoring anything. We're talking about staves in DA and how they're usually linked to mages, ways to make it not to look goofy when holstered and alternative weapons for mages.

You're the one who decided to shift the conversation to Cullen and how he ignores a mage PC.

[Wulfram]

Ukki wrote...

Ps. I'd rather keep me a possibility to be a mage without staff. Makes it more believable to blend in the crowd expecially when you are a apostate blood mage. In Origins you could be without the staff, why not in DA2? It seems these new innovative steps seem to take the game backwards.

IIRC, they said they didn't want mages to be able to ignore getting new weapons while fighters and rogues would be dependant on their gear.