string3r wrote...
His "mind" is still alive but that's about it. His physical manifestation is gone, so no one is going to know where he is or what happened to him.
jtav wrote...
iakus wrote...
jtav wrote...
Or let's put it another way:
The idea that some part of us lives on after death is a very old one. Control is that idea dressed up in sci-fi clothes.
Most people don't take a journal the dead hero left behind as a literal interpretation that the hero lives though
Even if the journal could create new entries?
In ME they can.clennon8 wrote...
The mind cannot be separated from the flesh. Our mind is a product of the physical arrangement of our brain. You cannot separate the mind fom the flesh. You can only hope to make a digital approximation of it.
His "essence." Bah. More vitalism. The same nonsense that Synthesis relies upon.Olympiclash wrote...
I agree his body is dead and gone but his essence is now, thanks to the crucible, controlling all reapers. I don't see why that's so infeasible.
jtav wrote...
Thoughts and memories. And in my philosophy of the mind, that means that thing is Shepard whether they are stored in data bytes or neurons.
dreman9999 wrote...
In ME they can.clennon8 wrote...
The mind cannot be separated from the flesh. Our mind is a product of the physical arrangement of our brain. You cannot separate the mind fom the flesh. You can only hope to make a digital approximation of it.
This is what the reapers do to organics.
And organics found a way to do it themselvse. http://masseffect.wi...i/Virtual_Alien
This is not even a new concept to sci fi...Look up lawnmower man.
Rifneno wrote...
Olympiclash wrote...
I agree his body is dead and gone but his essence is now, thanks to the crucible, controlling all reapers. I don't see why that's so infeasible.
I do.
You got the entire concept of control wrong. Your made into the new catalyst. Added, youcan control them reguardless of having a reaper heart or brian in the crucible.Rifneno wrote...
Olympiclash wrote...
I agree his body is dead and gone but his essence is now, thanks to the crucible, controlling all reapers. I don't see why that's so infeasible.
I do.
clennon8 wrote...
It just occurred to me that perhaps part of the reason I object to Control and Synthesis is that they're both much more "religious" than Destroy, and I basically think religion is for chumps.
But that isn't a fully formed thought yet. I'll need to dwell on it some more.
The geth prove you wrong.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
jtav wrote...
Thoughts and memories. And in my philosophy of the mind, that means that thing is Shepard whether they are stored in data bytes or neurons.
Except in Mass Effect, that's not how AI's function.
The codex specifically mentions that if you take data (which in our case will be memories) and dump it into a bluebox, the first time you will get personality A. Then say you do it again on a different bluebox. You will most likely not get personality A. Instead, you will most likely get B.
Thus, the chance that the new AI will "be" Shepard is EXTREMELY unlikely.
He/She is dead and gone, and an imposter takes over the Reapers.
clennon8 wrote...
His "essence." Bah. More vitalism. The same nonsense that Synthesis relies upon.Olympiclash wrote...
I agree his body is dead and gone but his essence is now, thanks to the crucible, controlling all reapers. I don't see why that's so infeasible.
Are you saying legion is lying?Rifneno wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
In ME they can.clennon8 wrote...
The mind cannot be separated from the flesh. Our mind is a product of the physical arrangement of our brain. You cannot separate the mind fom the flesh. You can only hope to make a digital approximation of it.
This is what the reapers do to organics.
And organics found a way to do it themselvse. http://masseffect.wi...i/Virtual_Alien
This is not even a new concept to sci fi...Look up lawnmower man.
Holy crap. You actually used Reaperization as an example. I'm at a loss for words.
SeptimusMagistos wrote...
EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
He's dead. His thoughts and memories and are somehow transferred to the reapers, but he's still dead.
But...the thoughts and memories of Shepard is what Shepard is. Everything else is just a bunch of organic matter, not special in any way.
SeptimusMagistos wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Olympiclash wrote...
I agree his body is dead and gone but his essence is now, thanks to the crucible, controlling all reapers. I don't see why that's so infeasible.
I do.
Seriously, writing "A Reaper" is faster than "All The Reapers". Programmers are lazy like that. It's not as big a deal as you seem to imagine.
dreman9999 wrote...
The geth prove you wrong.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
jtav wrote...
Thoughts and memories. And in my philosophy of the mind, that means that thing is Shepard whether they are stored in data bytes or neurons.
Except in Mass Effect, that's not how AI's function.
The codex specifically mentions that if you take data (which in our case will be memories) and dump it into a bluebox, the first time you will get personality A. Then say you do it again on a different bluebox. You will most likely not get personality A. Instead, you will most likely get B.
Thus, the chance that the new AI will "be" Shepard is EXTREMELY unlikely.
He/She is dead and gone, and an imposter takes over the Reapers.
dreman9999 wrote...
The geth prove you wrong.
Dr_Extrem wrote...
are we more than our thoughts?
Dr_Extrem wrote...
thoughts ans memories are one thing. feelings and emotions are inducted by hormones and other massengers. we have impulses.
Dr_Extrem wrote...
we biological units are far more than out thoughts and memories.
dreman9999 wrote...
It repurpused them. Not killed them.
Someone With Mass wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Your missing the causeof the problem.Thecatalyst only did what it did because he was programed to. It is a shackled AI. The Shepard ai has free will.
Right, right.
That's why it killed pretty much everyone it was supposed to protect.
Olympiclash wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Your missing the causeof the problem.Thecatalyst only did what it did because he was programed to. It is a shackled AI. The Shepard ai has free will.
Right, right.
That's why it killed pretty much everyone it was supposed to protect.
When was it ever stated that the catalyst was to keep every single organic alive? It's purpose was to keep organics in general alive. If that meant harvesting a good chunk of them so that they ALL didn't die, so be it. If your leg has gangrene, you have to cut it off to save the body. That's, in my lowly opinion, the catalyst's mentality.
Which is the logic of an AI forced to do what it's programed to do.Someone With Mass wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It repurpused them. Not killed them.
According to that logic, if I put you in a giant mixer, hit the highest setting and then made a hamburger out of the meat, it wouldn't be murder.
And let every one have a voice on their future.iakus wrote...
Olympiclash wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Your missing the causeof the problem.Thecatalyst only did what it did because he was programed to. It is a shackled AI. The Shepard ai has free will.
Right, right.
That's why it killed pretty much everyone it was supposed to protect.
When was it ever stated that the catalyst was to keep every single organic alive? It's purpose was to keep organics in general alive. If that meant harvesting a good chunk of them so that they ALL didn't die, so be it. If your leg has gangrene, you have to cut it off to save the body. That's, in my lowly opinion, the catalyst's mentality.
And the directive of the ShepReaper is to "protect the many"
What would it do to achieve this?
Modifié par dreman9999, 22 décembre 2012 - 12:00 .
Ecept for the fact that's not true and they originally get to being an Ai by sharing thinking work loads...Then they go the modded reaper code and where able to be ai's on their own power....Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The geth prove you wrong.
The Geth don't use blueboxes. They "fake" the AI bit by using tons of smaller processes.
Modifié par dreman9999, 21 décembre 2012 - 11:59 .
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