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[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Destroy you get to head cannon shep surviving, synthesis you get to keep edi and the geth, refusal you get to feel like a...something.

I actually really like control though.

There's no "headcanon" to it.  Shepard survive high EMS destroy.  You keep nothing in synthesis.  You've successfully genetic raped the entire galaxy in one fell swoop.  Way to be WORSE than the Reapers.

Two things I wonder...
1. Which people wouldn't accept a small amount of genetic alteration in order to prevent genocide?
2. For those sufficiently selfish to refuse, why should I care?

But I can avoid both fates with Control, so it works out.

1. It's hilarious that you consider synthesis "a small amount of genetic alteration."
2. Who the **** are you to make that call to begin with?  Who made you God?  You have no right to decide how every living being in the galaxy should be, Meredith.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Xilizhra wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Destroy you get to head cannon shep surviving, synthesis you get to keep edi and the geth, refusal you get to feel like a...something.

I actually really like control though.

There's no "headcanon" to it.  Shepard survive high EMS destroy.  You keep nothing in synthesis.  You've successfully genetic raped the entire galaxy in one fell swoop.  Way to be WORSE than the Reapers.

Two things I wonder...
1. Which people wouldn't accept a small amount of genetic alteration in order to prevent genocide?
2. For those sufficiently selfish to refuse, why should I care?

But I can avoid both fates with Control, so it works out.

Small? How is fusing all organic life in the galaxy with synthetics a small amount of genetic alteration? 

[GethPrimeMKII]

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

Destroy you get to head cannon shep surviving, synthesis you get to keep edi and the geth, refusal you get to feel like a...something.

I actually really like control though.

There's no "headcanon" to it.  Shepard survive high EMS destroy.  You keep nothing in synthesis.  You've successfully genetic raped the entire galaxy in one fell swoop.  Way to be WORSE than the Reapers.

Two things I wonder...
1. Which people wouldn't accept a small amount of genetic alteration in order to prevent genocide?
2. For those sufficiently selfish to refuse, why should I care?

But I can avoid both fates with Control, so it works out.

1. It's hilarious that you consider synthesis "a small amount of genetic alteration."
2. Who the **** are you to make that call to begin with?  Who made you God?  You have no right to decide how every living being in the galaxy should be, Meredith.

Pretty much everything I wanted to say but with more bark. This badger's not afraid to call it how he sees it. 

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 22 décembre 2012 - 01:04 .

[Reorte]

Rifneno wrote...

You know as little about medicine as you do about... well, anything else.  You're pretty well ignorant of everything from what I've seen.  Anyway, the contents of End03_Shepard_Alive clearly show an inhale, not an exhale.  The infamous "last breath" sound, ask any doctor or nurse that tends to hear it a lot such as ones at nursing homes, is an exhale.  The sudden audible inhale such as what hear here, is generally when someone is brought back after a period of not breathing.  Oh, and BW's official collector's guide states the Shepard survives EMS destroy.  "Shepard lives."  Now go rob a train or something.

So why not make it a bit clearer, instead of in a situation that says "Sure, he's alive know but for how much longer?" FWIW I'm of the opinion that the intention is clearly to show an alive Shepard, it's just done in a really unsatisfying, pointlessly cliffhanger style for no good reason.

[GethPrimeMKII]

A cliffhanger would imply there's more to come later.

[Xilizhra]

1. It's hilarious that you consider synthesis "a small amount of genetic alteration."
2. Who the **** are you to make that call to begin with? Who made you God? You have no right to decide how every living being in the galaxy should be, Meredith.

The closest thing to a god of the galaxy has effectively chosen me, given me the right to make it (and I'm not saying that said god isn't a heinous mass murderer and utterly inimical to life in general; that's a trait, after all, of many gods IRL, definitely including the Abrahamic one). Simply put, I have the right to make some kind of call here because I'm literally the only person in the universe who can make it and somehow stop the Reapers, because I'm the only one there. And I have to act godlike in some manner (slaughter, power, alteration or abandonment). Personally I choose to simply take power, because it changes the least and seems safest.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

1. It's hilarious that you consider synthesis "a small amount of genetic alteration."
2. Who the **** are you to make that call to begin with? Who made you God? You have no right to decide how every living being in the galaxy should be, Meredith.

The closest thing to a god of the galaxy has effectively chosen me, given me the right to make it (and I'm not saying that said god isn't a heinous mass murderer and utterly inimical to life in general; that's a trait, after all, of many gods IRL, definitely including the Abrahamic one). Simply put, I have the right to make some kind of call here because I'm literally the only person in the universe who can make it and somehow stop the Reapers, because I'm the only one there. And I have to act godlike in some manner (slaughter, power, alteration or abandonment). Personally I choose to simply take power, because it changes the least and seems safest.

I wonder if Ser Alrik would've given a villain speech like that if I let him.  Hope I'll never know.

[Xilizhra]

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

1. It's hilarious that you consider synthesis "a small amount of genetic alteration."
2. Who the **** are you to make that call to begin with? Who made you God? You have no right to decide how every living being in the galaxy should be, Meredith.

The closest thing to a god of the galaxy has effectively chosen me, given me the right to make it (and I'm not saying that said god isn't a heinous mass murderer and utterly inimical to life in general; that's a trait, after all, of many gods IRL, definitely including the Abrahamic one). Simply put, I have the right to make some kind of call here because I'm literally the only person in the universe who can make it and somehow stop the Reapers, because I'm the only one there. And I have to act godlike in some manner (slaughter, power, alteration or abandonment). Personally I choose to simply take power, because it changes the least and seems safest.

I wonder if Ser Alrik would've given a villain speech like that if I let him.  Hope I'll never know.

May I point out the irony of someone who committed double genocide talking about villain speeches in a negative manner?

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

1. It's hilarious that you consider synthesis "a small amount of genetic alteration."
2. Who the **** are you to make that call to begin with? Who made you God? You have no right to decide how every living being in the galaxy should be, Meredith.

The closest thing to a god of the galaxy has effectively chosen me, given me the right to make it (and I'm not saying that said god isn't a heinous mass murderer and utterly inimical to life in general; that's a trait, after all, of many gods IRL, definitely including the Abrahamic one). Simply put, I have the right to make some kind of call here because I'm literally the only person in the universe who can make it and somehow stop the Reapers, because I'm the only one there. And I have to act godlike in some manner (slaughter, power, alteration or abandonment). Personally I choose to simply take power, because it changes the least and seems safest.

I wonder if Ser Alrik would've given a villain speech like that if I let him.  Hope I'll never know.

May I point out the irony of someone who committed double genocide talking about villain speeches in a negative manner?

May I point out the irony of someone who genetically raped every living thing in existance complaining about genocide?  Wanna talk genocide?  Organics no longer exist because of you.  Good goin', chief.

[Xilizhra]

May I point out the irony of someone who genetically raped every living thing in existance complaining about genocide? Wanna talk genocide? Organics no longer exist because of you. Good goin', chief.

Firstly, I chose Control, not Synthesis. Secondly, is there really that much irony in someone taking an action not involving killing, being upset about an action that did involve killing?

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

May I point out the irony of someone who genetically raped every living thing in existance complaining about genocide? Wanna talk genocide? Organics no longer exist because of you. Good goin', chief.

Firstly, I chose Control, not Synthesis. Secondly, is there really that much irony in someone taking an action not involving killing, being upset about an action that did involve killing?

A leopard can't change its spots.  And yes.  I really have no respect for anyone who sympathizes with the Reapers.

[Xilizhra]

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

May I point out the irony of someone who genetically raped every living thing in existance complaining about genocide? Wanna talk genocide? Organics no longer exist because of you. Good goin', chief.

Firstly, I chose Control, not Synthesis. Secondly, is there really that much irony in someone taking an action not involving killing, being upset about an action that did involve killing?

A leopard can't change its spots.  And yes.  I really have no respect for anyone who sympathizes with the Reapers.

Well, if you want.

[Reorte]

Rifneno wrote...

A leopard can't change its spots.  And yes.  I really have no respect for anyone who sympathizes with the Reapers.

I can understand sympathy towards the people who went up to making the Reaper, not that there's any reason to believe that there's anything left of them other than a record. I've no respect for people who let that cloud their judgment though.

[Xilizhra]

Reorte wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

A leopard can't change its spots.  And yes.  I really have no respect for anyone who sympathizes with the Reapers.

I can understand sympathy towards the people who went up to making the Reaper, not that there's any reason to believe that there's anything left of them other than a record. I've no respect for people who let that cloud their judgment though.

The Reapers themselves, too, were merely mind controlled into all of this; they lack any volition.

[SpamBot2000]

Their 'lack of volition' dates back to precisely the ME3 endings. A big reason some consider the ending an ill-fitting disaster.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 22 décembre 2012 - 01:44 .

[Xilizhra]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Their 'lack of volition' dates back to precisely the ME3 endings. A big reason some consider the ending an ill-fitting disaster.

And one of the things I liked by far the most about it.

[Wulfram]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Reapers themselves, too, were merely mind controlled into all of this; they lack any volition.

Yet they exhibit distinct personalities, that show contempt for the people they are destroying.  Sovereign is a different person from Harbinger.

Modifié par Wulfram, 22 décembre 2012 - 01:58 .

[SpamBot2000]

Xilizhra wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Their 'lack of volition' dates back to precisely the ME3 endings. A big reason some consider the ending an ill-fitting disaster.

And one of the things I liked by far the most about it.

Personally I prefer the 99% of Mass Effect the ending contradicted. But then, I'm a Mass Effect fan. Or was.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 22 décembre 2012 - 01:59 .

[Xilizhra]

Wulfram wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Reapers themselves, too, were merely mind controlled into all of this; they lack any volition.

Yet they exhibit distinct personalities, that show contempt for the people they are destroying.  Sovereign is a different person from Harbinger.

They do have distinct personalities; the main purpose of the control is to make them want to continue the harvest.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Their 'lack of volition' dates back to precisely the ME3 endings. A big reason some consider the ending an ill-fitting disaster.

And one of the things I liked by far the most about it.

Well as long as we know you're not just desperately clinging to some excuse to absolve the space monsters so you can "save" them.  I'm sure the rest of the galaxy won't have to pay for your naivety or anything.

[Xilizhra]

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Their 'lack of volition' dates back to precisely the ME3 endings. A big reason some consider the ending an ill-fitting disaster.

And one of the things I liked by far the most about it.

Well as long as we know you're not just desperately clinging to some excuse to absolve the space monsters so you can "save" them.  I'm sure the rest of the galaxy won't have to pay for your naivety or anything.

Certainly it never has before.

[Ieldra]

SpamBot2000 wrote...
Let's look at the external policies of Cyrus the Great, via Wikipedia:

"Cyrus built his empire by conquering first the Median Empire, then the Lydian Empire and eventually the Neo-Babylonian Empire. Either before or after Babylon, he led an expedition into central Asia, which resulted in major campaigns that were described as having brought "into subjection every nation without exception".[10] Cyrus did not venture into Egypt, as he himself died in battle, fighting the Massagetae along the Syr Darya in December 530 BC.[11][12]"

Clearly someone to emulate. Dude just wasn't having the whole "someone living not under my rule" crap.

Read on, SpamBot. He started as a rebel againt the Medean empire, so this was a coup, not a war of aggression and the war with the Lydians was started by them. The full story of the conquest of Babylon isn't known.

I won't judge any war where we only know the end result and not the way it started.

[SpamBot2000]

Ieldra2 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...
Let's look at the external policies of Cyrus the Great, via Wikipedia:

"Cyrus built his empire by conquering first the Median Empire, then the Lydian Empire and eventually the Neo-Babylonian Empire. Either before or after Babylon, he led an expedition into central Asia, which resulted in major campaigns that were described as having brought "into subjection every nation without exception".[10] Cyrus did not venture into Egypt, as he himself died in battle, fighting the Massagetae along the Syr Darya in December 530 BC.[11][12]"

Clearly someone to emulate. Dude just wasn't having the whole "someone living not under my rule" crap.

Read on, SpamBot. He started as a rebel againt the Medean empire, so this was a coup, not a war of aggression and the war with the Lydians was started by them. The full story of the conquest of Babylon isn't known.

I won't judge any war where we only know the end result and not the way it started.

Surely there's a point to be made about someone who waged constant wars until dying in battle as a model for a peaceful autocracy, the merits of which are supposedly so morally superior it is not even sane to argue against them.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 22 décembre 2012 - 02:39 .

[Ieldra]

SpamBot2000 wrote...
Another thing some of the keener investigators have noticed is that the Shepard speech in the Control ending is not chosen by the player. Your agency stops at electrocution. It's not 'your' Shepard in the Citadel computer. It's another entity altogether. You have no say in what it will do over the next Eternity.

Insignicant. Lots of autodialogue in the rest of the same as well. Even in ME2. Apart form that, you always only choose the general direction of your response, and if you get the Paragon version, you did that by your choices in the games.

[Ieldra]

@Spambot:
I started this in response to your claim that anyone with lots of power ended up a tyrant. Well, his man by all accounts wasn't a tyrant. He was known, among other thing, by contributions to human rights and religious tolerance. As for the "constant wars", count the wars waged by the US in the last 40 years. Looked at from some distance, you could think it was constant war when it actually wasn't.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 décembre 2012 - 02:43 .