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[Seboist]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

There are no waifus in Mass Effect that have consistent personalities and faces...

Looks like I'll be sticking to Mitsuru Kirijo and Elizabeth of Persona 3 FES then.

Modifié par Seboist, 23 décembre 2012 - 04:32 .

[Steelcan]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

My waifu doesn't even have a face.

Well, unless you count the sh**ty photoshop.

Mine has 10 minutes of screen time and barely any romance specific dialogue.  And you have to fulfill certain requirements to have her survive.

[The Heretic of Time]

Just accept it folks, Liara is the canon waifu, just like Sheploo is the canon Shepard, Soldier the canon class and Synthesis is the canon ending. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 23 décembre 2012 - 04:35 .

[Steelcan]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Just accept it folks, Liara is the canon waifu, just like Sheploo is the canon Shepard and Synthesis is the canon ending. 

x1000^1000

[Dysjong]

Nah, i reject the canon, supporting the choices made by the player.

[The Heretic of Time]

Steelcan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Just accept it folks, Liara is the canon waifu, just like Sheploo is the canon Shepard and Synthesis is the canon ending. 

x1000^1000

Better prepare plenty of empty buckets when ME4 comes out. Everyone will have green eyes and green crap on their skin. Next thing you know, you're playing as secret agent with awesome Synthesis powers and lots of stealth skills. We all know how much of a fan Casey is of Deus Ex. 

[Steelcan]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Just accept it folks, Liara is the canon waifu, just like Sheploo is the canon Shepard and Synthesis is the canon ending. 

x1000^1000

Better prepare plenty of empty buckets when ME4 comes out. Everyone will have green eyes and green crap on their skin. Next thing you know, you're playing as secret agent with awesome Synthesis powers and lots of stealth skills. We all know how much of a fan Casey is of Deus Ex. 

to quote a favorite movie and book of mine.

"The horror, the horror"

[The Heretic of Time]

Steelcan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Just accept it folks, Liara is the canon waifu, just like Sheploo is the canon Shepard and Synthesis is the canon ending. 

x1000^1000

Better prepare plenty of empty buckets when ME4 comes out. Everyone will have green eyes and green crap on their skin. Next thing you know, you're playing as secret agent with awesome Synthesis powers and lots of stealth skills. We all know how much of a fan Casey is of Deus Ex. 

to quote a favorite movie and book of mine.

"The horror, the horror"

Did you know BioWare wanted to make a secret agent stealth game? The idea got shot down by EA however. Good riddance I say.

We might still get the secret agent stealth game though. It will be titled: Mass Effect 4. And you'll be a secret agent with awesome synthetic DNA and synthesis powers.  trololololololol.

[Steelcan]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Did you know BioWare wanted to make a secret agent stealth game? The idea got shot down by EA however. Good riddance I say.

We might still get the secret agent stealth game though. It will be titled: Mass Effect 4. And you'll be a secret agent with awesome synthetic DNA and synthesis powers.  trololololololol.

EA did well.

[d-boy15]

a little of topic but I would like bioware to move on and create a pirates theme RPG with
a naval combat system like AC3 or a secret agent like they had an idea before.

[Bill Casey]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Did you know BioWare wanted to make a secret agent stealth game? The idea got shot down by EA however. Good riddance I say.

So what's the new IP they're working on?

[StayFrosty05]

[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...

That's a load of horsecrap. What gives you the idea that Synthesis removes the freedom of choice? As dor disfigurement. That's just a matter of opinion. Everyone looked quite normal to me. They just got green shiz all over their bodies.[/quote]

The green shiz all over their bodies and through their bodies...synthetic intrusion....is the disfigurement....Force turning someone into half robot is taking away their freedom of choice.

[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Your opinion and headcanon is bullsh*t. Paragon Shepard clearly does not take the roll of a dictator on himself in the Control ending. A Renegade Shepard might.[/quote]

So your suggesting no one ever changes their opinion or outlook?...Paragon Shep will always be a Paragon soul for all eternity?...He can't eventually change his values?...That a hell of a lot of faith in an eternal entity, I certainly wouldn't be so uttely confident.

[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
There is Control and Synthesis to choose. Yet you choose the one and only ending where you commit genocide to end the reaper thread. Again, that isn't Paragon at all. That's a Renegade action.

There is nothing wrong with Destroy though. It's a valid choice with a very valid Renegade train of reasoning behind it.[/quote]

Control and Synthesis are fools choices and do not end the Reaper threat....so long as the Reapers exist they are a threat....Paragon Shep is naive and too idealistic in many cases yes, but he isn't completely stupid....he still knows when his back is against the wall.

[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
StayFrosty wrote: As for the Reapers and Heretic Geth, there's an old saying I feel fits perfectly here..."I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees"....


Heretic Hanar wrote: That's a nice way of justificing the RENEGADE decisions. Destroy the Heretic Geth is the Renegade option, that's just a fact. There is no arguing about that. Arguably the Destroy ending is also the Renegade option.[/quote]

To be honest, I do have to concede here....it is according to BW anyway....and is why I play Paragade, not Paragon



[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
No I don't. The Paragon ideals are live and let-live. The Paragon always tries to take the moral highground and tries to end things with the least amount of casualties. "We do this the clean way, not the quick way." is a quote from Paragon Shepard.[/quote]

That is the ideal...not always possible, but is the main objective...but it's not always an option.


[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
It is. That doesn't make it the Paragon choice though. Paragon choices aren't always the best choices. Sometimes Renegade choices are the best choices.[/quote]

I concede to this also....Both extreme Paragon and extreme Renegade are as ridiculous and as the other...something in between makes a whole lot more sense.[/quote]


[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
StayFrosty wrote: Then again I do think BW didn't know what they were talking about half the time either.....
Heretic Hanar wrote: So you claim to know it better than the devs themselves? LMAO! [/quote]

Yes, I do in fact....They develop Games, they are not great Philosophers in life....neither am I, but I at least have a passionate interest in the subject of the Philosophy of Ethics...they obviously do not and it shows glaringly.



[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
StayFrosty wrote: I don't see it as a Paragon choice to force survival on others at the cost of their own freedom of choice, that sounds a whole lot more like fascism and dictatorship to me.

Heretic Hanar wrote: Luckily there is on such option in the game.[/quote]

Yes it is, that comes under Synthesis.


[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Choosing the Control ending is also a chance needing to be taken from a Paragon perspective. It ends the reaper thread and it keeps everyone alive. Yes, there is a chance the choice might backfire, but it's either that or genocide. And we just established that taking chances to avoid nasty atrocities like genocide is the Paragon thing to do. That doesn't all of the sudden change at the ending.[/quote]

Control does not end the Reaper threat...the Reapers remain a threat so long as they continue to exist....The Reapers are a whole lot more of a threat than a few Colonists or a big bug will ever be.


[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
LMAO!  There is no forward planning. There is only this far you need to plan ahead:

You stop Sovereign as fast as possible with as many ships as possible, or Sovereign opens the Citadel gate, warps in all their reapers and you're doomed. DOOMED. PERIOD.


Focussing on Sovereign is the smart thing to do. It's also the Renegade thing to do. You condemn thousands of lives to prevent possible billions of casualties. Of course Paragon Shepard doesn't feel comfortable with the idea of sacrificing lives to up the chances to take down Sovereign. Paragon is about looking good and being able to look at himself in the mirror with a straight face. "We do this clean, not quick."
A Paragon is willing to risk the entire galaxy for that. That's the Paragon way.[/quote]

Personally I don't give a flying sh*t about the Council members themselves....but if Sovereign fails to open the gate way at that point, the Reapers are still apparently on their way in another fashion anyway...wiping out the Council is not a smart move, the last thing you want is a fractured galaxy when the Reapers arrive....Who knows, maybe it's more of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.


[quote]Heretic_Hanar wrote...
But we're not talking about real world ethics, we're talking about Paragon v.s Renegade, the binary system BioWare created and and what it represents.
[/quote]

And its a very flawed system and so thus will always lead to flawed arguments full of holes and ridiculous conclusions with a ridiculously small margin of choices.

[Vilyn117]

I chose control for various reasons.

[StayFrosty05]

Bill Casey wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Refuse is the only Paragon option...
Everything else is completely monstrous...

No. Allowing everyone in the galaxy to be wiped out just so that you can preserve your honour and ideals is monstrous, something that only the most craven individual would do.

We'll fight and win without it...
I won't let fear compromise who I am...

That's ridiculous....your happy to kill everyone off for that?........Honor/Integrity are one thing, total Ego mania trip is another, your confusing the two.

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 23 décembre 2012 - 05:42 .

[StayFrosty05]

Steelcan wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Just accept it folks, Liara is the canon waifu, just like Sheploo is the canon Shepard and Synthesis is the canon ending. 

x1000^1000

Seconded.

[felipejiraya]

Control is the only acceptable ending for my Shepard and I'm happy with it.

[Versus Omnibus]

I didn't pick Control because I wanted to free the galaxy from the Reapers' reign, not start a new one.

[Eterna]

Steelcan wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Synthesis is for sure the ideal ending as determined by BW. They address the "problem" unlike destroy and control.

There is no "problem" there is a delusional AI who needs to be shut down, nothing more

No there actually is a problem. You making peace one time doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist. 

[Ieldra]

Steelcan wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Refuse is the only Paragon option...
Everything else is completely monstrous...

No. Allowing everyone in the galaxy to be wiped out just so that you can preserve your honour and ideals is monstrous, something that only the most craven individual would do.

We'll fight and win without it...
I won't let fear compromise who I am...

I bet the innocents who were harvested by the Reapers took comfort that your Shepard lacked balls

"Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. The silence is your answer."
Nowhere becomes the truth of this more obvious as in Refuse.

[SpamBot2000]

AlanC9 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

I'm so damn sick of arguing about this crap. Why the hell can I not have an ending that doesn't drag things into this abyss for my damn space adventure? Why is that, huh?

If you're so sick of arguing, why are you always here arguing?

Well, one of the reasons would be to try to explain why many people, including myself, find the conclusion to Mass Effect such a moral black hole. This in the hope of making some other people see that our reaction is not some conspiracy of 'hatred', and has some genuine reasons behind it. 

Obviously it can have no effect on someone who is just picking apart attempts to articulate it for sport.

And Ieldra, using Javik's arguments now? Somehow didn't picture you sharing his PoV.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 23 décembre 2012 - 10:45 .

[andy6915]

Got to say, this thread has legs. 51 pages in 4 days? Impressive. Not as impressive as the ME: Deception thread though.

[ghost9191]

Vigilant111 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

1) I have always said Control is the most morally right out of the choices. but does not make it right

I don't agree

At best, it is morally grey, like every other option, if not worse

If the reapers do turn out to be sentient beings, the enthronement of Shepard would mean a continuation of enslavement of the reapers

eh simply i was talking to the OP .  had a conversation like this a few months back with Ieldra. what is in the OP were the case then control would be the most morally right choice . "IF"

the rest , 2-4 were pretty much how i felt . and tehn put that even if it were right " there is doing the right thing and there is doing something right" 

i was mainly talking about a earlier conversation . with (1)      not my view,  i agree with it . was mainly talking about if you take it at face value and believe all would be alright with someone becoming a omnipotent dictator . which it is a dictator google the f*cking word if you don't think so

Modifié par ghost9191, 23 décembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[Ieldra]

SpamBot2000 wrote...
And Ieldra, using Javik's arguments now? Somehow didn't picture you sharing his PoV.

Lack of diffentiation again. I can share his viewpoints on honor without sharing his viewpoints on synthetics.

It's mind-boggling how stubbornly people assume that just because I like one thing a character says, I have to like everything he says. Association fallacies have to be the most prevalent debating flaw on BSN.

[T-Raks]

Because it is foolish to think that when you take control over the Reapers, that no one else can do it. The Reapers are even with Shepbrat controlled by an AI, that can be overwritten once again. So when you take control, you take the gamble, that you can keep control of them forever. The risk is a return of the Reapers, while when you choose destroy, you solve that problem - the problem you were out there to solve - once and for all.

I can see though why some Shepards would choose control though, because it seems like the best short-term solution with the least damage. The downside of the Reapers returning as a tool under another galaxy threatening agenda is just too big for my Shep to take. It is still number 2 on my list of the endings and could make for a good sequel.

Modifié par T-Raks, 23 décembre 2012 - 11:18 .

[SpamBot2000]

Ieldra2 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...
And Ieldra, using Javik's arguments now? Somehow didn't picture you sharing his PoV.

Lack of diffentiation again. I can share his viewpoints on honor without sharing his viewpoints on synthetics.

It's mind-boggling how stubbornly people assume that just because I like one thing a character says, I have to like everything he says. Association fallacies have to be the most prevalent debating flaw on BSN.

Not that that's not a valid point, but that specific line was made in advocating a course of action you are specifically arguing against in this thread you made. 

Still, something to bear in mind I suppose.