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[hostaman]

Schachmatt wrote...

hostaman wrote...

The Acolyte went from meh great to hero noob cannon to meh great again. Just stop messing.

fixed

Oh, to achieve greatness my young aprentice you must learn the ways of holding down the trigger.  This ancient art is only practiced by the most elite of players.

If you dare to think that holding down a trigger is an any way err.....a bit dull... you will hence forth be known only by your low skilled name of noob warrior.

This is similar to the martial art of reload cancelling.  Of course you might suggest that the weapons shouldn't have such a slow annimation in the first place at it takes the fun out of the game, but this would take away the obvious prowess involved in mapping keys and fiddling with powers practiced only by the zen like masters of the game.


Or alternatively....

Just make it fun to play for everyone, and stop messing with it.

[wrexthegrunt]

TheThirdRace wrote...

(taken from my own thread on the Acolyte)
Why not make the Acolyte behave exactly like the Graal? The Graal allows to shoot without charging for base damage, but if you charge it, the damage is "proportional" to the charge time (proven by peddroelmz, corlist or some other renowned guy on these forums, sorry I don't remember which one). So if you charge it for 66% of its max charge time, you get 66% of the max damage. It's not totally "proportional", it works more like steps, but the basics are sound.

Here are the stats of the current Acolyte:

Damage charged = 491
ROF = 60
Clip size = 3
Total ammo = 24
Charge time = 1 second
Charge applies stagger = Yes

And here are the stats I would suggest:

Damage uncharged = 196.4
Damage charged = 491
ROF = 60
Clip size = 6
Total ammo = 36
Charge time = 1 second
Charge applies stagger = Yes
Charge ammo use = 2

There are a couple things to note from my suggestion:

1) The uncharged damage is 2/5 of the current damage

2) The ROF for an uncharged shot is 50% higher than the chargeless Acolyte, meaning that the delay before the reload will be faster

3) The DPS of an uncharged shot is 196.4 damage. For comparison, the chargeless Acolyte had a DPS of 294 damage

4) The damage adds 1/5 damage for every 0.333 seconds of charges up to the full 5/5 (491 damage)

5) A partial or full charged shot 2 bullets, the clip size has been doubled to keep the same effectiveness

6) The total ammo is 50% higher to compensate for the lesser damage of uncharged shot while it also nerf a bit the benefits of partial or full charged shots

7) Stagger doesn't apply for uncharged shots. I'm not sure the stagger is related to force or not, but if that's the case, then the stagger could apply, but at the same proportion as the damage (uncharged shots would be 2/5 the force of a fully charged shot)

This suggestion offers a good compromise for both type of players.

Those that want a chargeless Acolyte will have what they want with a better ROF and delay before reload at the cost of lower damage. The lower damage should keep it in check compared to what it was when the Acolyte was completely chargeless.

Those that want a charging Acolyte will have what they want with the benefit of having a more reliable gun where releasing the trigger before the full charge will still give you sizable damage instead of leaving you dead in the water. They will also benefit from being able to shoot "fast" by not charging when necessary. All that comes at the cost of a lower total ammo count (relatively speaking).

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[R0binME]

HolyAvenger wrote...

The original design was the way it was always meant to be used. They changed to try and curb missile glitching, saw it had no impact, so changed it back to the original design.

Wasn't a nerf.

[Ryan Torant]

up! as i really want people to enter the poll. http://social.biowar...62/polls/42440/

[Tybo]

So some maths:

On a GI with a common spec (TC damage, HM (RoF,accuracy,vision),passive(all dmg)
using a hurricane with both mag mods (using the average amount of shots the heat sink would add) and a ppr with mag/extended barrel

The PPR only catches up to the Hurricane in damage near the very end of the Hurricane's reload. At this point, the Hurricane has output 21235.5 bodyshot damage. The PPR then overtakes the Hurricane for the next 9000 damage, as the PPR can do 30199 bodyshot damage in its clip. It is only within this specific range that the PPR is (slightly) faster. The Hurricane reaches 30199 damage a whole .5 seconds slower(half a second out of over 8 seconds for both, a 6% difference), then can continue outputting damage while the PPR sits through the ~4 second reload. (1 for the ammo to start, another 3 to regen to full)

The PPR is more accurate, but has to deal with a ramp up. They are very close to each other in boss killing.

Modifié par tyhw, 21 décembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[VerySeed]

My 2 cents on the whole thing is that talon GI isn't that good on console because of the annoyingly low sensitivity makes it slow to swap to a new target, which means if you're killing mooks with it, it would be faster on PC. Will post a video link to sort of show what I'm talking about if i find it.

Modifié par VerySeed, 21 décembre 2012 - 02:55 .

[Ashen One]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

BUT THE DEE PEE ESSS IS EVERYTHING!!1!1!1!!!!ONE

18%? lol, you're going to have to post your calculations for that one because a Particle Rifle running the equipment I listed along with all of the GI's weapon damage buffs is going to be doing a hell of a lot more than 18% more damage than the Hurricane.

Piranha and Raider laugh at the Hurricane's damage output.

But we're just going to ignore the fact that the BW can OSK mooks from across the map, the BW, Harrier, Raider and Piranha all reliably stagger enemies more frequently than the Hurricane, none of them aside from the Harrier require the player to dry hump an ammo crate like the Hurricane does, the Harrier is more accurate than the Hurricane, among other things I can't be bothered to list.

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Now for the Talon? Poor accuracy? Maybe if you can't aim worth a damn.

Don't be stupid, having good aim won't magically tighten a shotgun's pellet spread. You may have EZ mode headshots, but you're not going to spawn snipe Phantoms on Firebase Hydra with a Talon unless you're using a scope and the accuracy bonus in HM.

Lord_Sirian wrote...

The best PC players find them extremely good, easily on the same level as the PPR.

One of the best console players is posting in this thread about how they're "vastly inferior" to the PPR. 

Yet it's totally not about them being harder to use properly on console. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie] If that's the case the only other explanation is that you suck at using them. Sorry.

• I never claimed that the Hurricane and Talon are not extremely good. They are, but there are better weapon choices available to a character that blatantly disregards weapon weight as a factor when choosing what weapon to use.
• A GI using a Talon or Hurricane will not outdamage my GI running PPR with AR amp V, rail III, Incendiary IV. Fact.

The PPR being superior to the Talon and Hurricane in the hands of the Geth Infiltrator has nothing to do with me supposedly sucking with the Talon and Hurricane, and everything to do with the ludicrous difference in damage output a GI using the setup I posted is capable of as opposed to using a weapon that does less damage.

So really it doesn't have anything to do with pc or console.

[Titus Thongger]

why dont you guys just use the brophoon and call it a day

[Titus Thongger]

*double post

Modifié par Titus Thongger, 21 décembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[Valmar]

Even though "Make it like the Arc Pistol" is an option some people still vote for "leave it as is"... Wow, some people are such a-holes.

[iloveexplosives]

R0binME wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

The original design was the way it was always meant to be used. They changed to try and curb missile glitching, saw it had no impact, so changed it back to the original design.

Wasn't a nerf.

blame the missile glichers it's their falt

[Ashen One]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Ok Ashen, nice troll. 9/10.

... 

You are trolling, right? 

Nope.

Unless Cyonan's spreadsheet is horribly wrong, a Raider X with RC makes a joke of a Hurricane X and the already significant difference in damage output grows when you factor in PM, Hunter Mode, TC, gear and consumables.  The Piranha can also out damage the Hurricane to a lesser degree.

[UnknownMercenary]

Titus Thongger wrote...

why dont you guys just use the brophoon and call it a day

+1

[Ashen One]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

>Accuses someone else of thinking "DPS is everything"
>Uses theoretical DPS as an argument the very same post
>You can't explain that

Theoretical DPS is only one aspect, but there are others I didn't mention... like the fact that the Raider can OSK any non boss enemy, which makes all of the theoretical DPS talk pretty irrelevant when dealing with anything smaller than an Atlas.

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Also, maybe this is why you guys had so much trouble with the 1 million point challenge, if you were all using Piranhas while we were using Hurricanes and Talons then that would explain why it took you guys so many attempts.

0/10

We would have had it on our first attempt, but someone wasn't paying attention and finished the wave 3 objective 4 minutes too early. Not sure what the other 3 guys were using, but I used a Particle Rifle and scored around 350k

But this thread isn't about unchallenging challenges, it's about complaining that the Acolyte got buffed. So I'm not going to derail it further.

[Ashen One]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

manbearpig654 wrote...

How the heck did this turn into a PPR vs everything thread?

 

Because Ashen loves the PPR more than Geth love stunlock.

This is true.

[Amnesiotic]

N7-Commander wrote...

Even though "Make it like the Arc Pistol" is an option some people still vote for "leave it as is"... Wow, some people are such a-holes.

I must've gotten on Santa's good side this year because all these delicious tears are the greatest Christmas gift I've ever recieved.

My sweetest nectar cup runneth over.

[TheCandlejack]

Amazed this is still going.

[Ryan Torant]

Ryan Torant wrote...

up! as i really want people to enter the poll. http://social.biowar...62/polls/42440/