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[billpickles]

I just want to point out something I haven't seen addressed yet that may explain why there are some stark differences of opinion on this...

On consoles, the camera locks when running. On PC, you can continue to rotate it. As a console player, the "fire while running" advantage doesn't really exist unless you run straight ahead only.

That said, I'm generally anti-whining more than anything else, so you won't see me starting threads like this. I do find the charge-up acolyte more difficult to use, but hey...I'll either figure out how to make it work or use one of the 40+ other weapons this game has to offer.

And by the way...I was able to kill phantoms for months without ever using the acolyte. It's not a pre-requisite to handling phantoms. They're not SUPPOSED to be the joke that the acolyte makes of them, but they're not invincible either...

[Uh Cold]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Bot019 wrote...

I didn't even know they changed it back.
Tried it just now to confirm my feeling about charging weapons....
IT SUCKS!!!

 

L2P.

[wes60620]

N7Dropout1 wrote...

Seriously, I've come to notice only the top hardcore players and trolls like this change. I think it was a monumentally bad decision to nerf it(and yes, it is a hard nerf).

The excuse about rocket glitching being the factor is so inane and stupid. Yeah, right. Bioware's just mad everyone was using this gun to even the playing field against phantoms, which are their top mary-sue enemy unit.

Thats all it was for them..... An excuse because mostly Vanguard players b#tched and moaned about the chargeless Acolyte.  The gun was a perfect match for the Adept class.   This talk about "learn how to use the weapon" is pure bull from players who were not using it in the first place.

Modifié par wes60620, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[RequiemPrime]

I really don't understand the argument that it is bad for Adepts. Before the "charge" was removed, I used it exclusively on my Asari Justicar with absolutely no problem. Charge, Reave, Shoot. Charge Reave, Shoot, There is no problem whatsoever in an Adept using this gun.

[Uh Cold]

Angelwave wrote...

I really don't understand the argument that it is bad for Adepts.

Because the majority of people that post here have no idea wtf they are talking about.

[TheCandlejack]

Uh Cold wrote...

Angelwave wrote...

I really don't understand the argument that it is bad for Adepts.

Because the majority of people that post here have no idea wtf they are talking about.

This.

[junkgypsy]

Ryan Torant wrote...

 I think the title explains it. WHY THE F**K BIOWARE!!. Hated the Acolyte when it had the charge ****, then they change it, and it was really good for adepts, now they change it again, AND THAT SUCKS!
Come on, is the only gun in the game that dosent fire when you pull the trigger. It gets you kill the charge time!
So yes, really really angry about that! Congratulations Bioware, you managed to f**k up one of the best guns!! Nerfs for everyone!!!!!

I agree with you.  The reason Bioware changed it is because of the people you see posting here that support the change.  They are the same people that b****ed about it being OP.  Bioware always does what the whiners and nerfers want because they outnumber the rest of us.  Simple as that.  Once they get their they come in here and gloat to show their epeen with comments like "learn to use it" and my favorite is saying that it will stop the "noobs" from using it.  They only say these things because thoese are the best reasons that they can come with for the change.  Gotta love the forums. 

[AkuIaTubShark]

Yes, let us cry about teh Acoltye and not notice the 15+ other ways to deal with things that the gun did instead of simply using those ways or switching to the Scerpian.

[Shephard-Commander909]

I never had the chance to use the pre-nerf charging acolyte and i managed to adapt after a couple of games
Although in my first game today i hadnt read the balance changes so i didn't realise it had been changed and i did unfortunately accuse the pug i was duoing with of being a hacker because my gun didn't fire i realised on wave 7 and apologised profusely to the pug.

[TheCandlejack]

junkgypsy wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

 I think the title explains it. WHY THE F**K BIOWARE!!. Hated the Acolyte when it had the charge ****, then they change it, and it was really good for adepts, now they change it again, AND THAT SUCKS!
Come on, is the only gun in the game that dosent fire when you pull the trigger. It gets you kill the charge time!
So yes, really really angry about that! Congratulations Bioware, you managed to f**k up one of the best guns!! Nerfs for everyone!!!!!

I agree with you.  The reason Bioware changed it is because of the people you see posting here that support the change.  They are the same people that b****ed about it being OP.  Bioware always does what the whiners and nerfers want because they outnumber the rest of us.  Simple as that.  Once they get their they come in here and gloat to show their epeen with comments like "learn to use it" and my favorite is saying that it will stop the "noobs" from using it.  They only say these things because thoese are the best reasons that they can come with for the change.  Gotta love the forums. 

So, you support the OP for coming to the forums to whine like a baby because they changed the gun from easy mode to the original state because others asked for it? Makes sense. /sarcasm

[regack]

Ryan Torant wrote...

regack wrote...

I'm happy the acolyte is back to the way it was. I haven't taken it out yet, since I was busy yesterday bowling with the volus and sniping with the drell. I'm sure I'll have to re-re-learn how to use it again, but I am MORE than happy to do so. Sorry if you consider it a nerf, but I'm sooooo happy to have it back to how it was.

Please explaing me why are you happy about it. Please, i just cant find a reason.

Sure, I'll explain why I'm happy.  I primarily used it with 2 kits, the Fury and the Shadow.  I've taken it on vanguards and the human adepts too, but I usually opt for something else.  I try to play the Fury aggressively, I used to love how well the charged Acolyte synergized with sprinting from spawn to spawn... can charge the weapon and start sprinting, and release the round without having to stop.   The round would travel just in front of you, hit & stagger & apply ammo effects... just before you get in range with Annihilation Field so you can set off a BE.  After they took away the charge, you have to stop sprinting, fire a round, then start sprinting again.  Completely ruined the flow.  Sure, I still made it work, but it was a lot more cumbersome. 

With the Shadow, it was similar.  I could charge the weapon, hit TC, and ShadowStrike... the gun would fire automatically at that point, the round travelling just ahead of me, stagger the enemy and apply ammo effects just as I slip behind and kill them to death.  The stagger would usually last just long enough to escape or target something else.   Removing the charge totally messed with this.  Sure, you could shoot, TC, SS, but the timing wasn't as good.

I suppose the last reason is that learning how to use the original Acolyte is what taught me how to really use soft cover, and for that, I'll be forever grateful.

[LoboFH]

I didn't like the charge feature when this gun was released, to be honest, so I didn't use it too much. When they removed the charge I tried it with my Slayer and I found it a fun and effective weapon.

Yesterday I tested the change and with some practice you get used to it, just learn to keep the gun charged all the time and run around this way. The long reload time was worse, the charge is ok.

Adapt or shut up, don't go always on the easy route.

Modifié par LoboFH, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:55 .

[Enhanced]

junkgypsy wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

 I think the title explains it. WHY THE F**K BIOWARE!!. Hated the Acolyte when it had the charge ****, then they change it, and it was really good for adepts, now they change it again, AND THAT SUCKS!
Come on, is the only gun in the game that dosent fire when you pull the trigger. It gets you kill the charge time!
So yes, really really angry about that! Congratulations Bioware, you managed to f**k up one of the best guns!! Nerfs for everyone!!!!!

I agree with you.  The reason Bioware changed it is because of the people you see posting here that support the change.  They are the same people that b****ed about it being OP.  Bioware always does what the whiners and nerfers want because they outnumber the rest of us.  Simple as that.  Once they get their they come in here and gloat to show their epeen with comments like "learn to use it" and my favorite is saying that it will stop the "noobs" from using it.  They only say these things because thoese are the best reasons that they can come with for the change.  Gotta love the forums. 

They balance weapons based on stats, such as how often a weapon is used.  The whiners don't have that much power.

Modifié par Enhanced, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:56 .

[N7Dropout1]

It was changed because a lot of players used it(due to its ease of use) to negate the bull**** mary-sue difficulty of phantoms. Had nothing to do with rocket glitching or other nonsense like that.

Bioware doesn't care what the tiny minority of hardcores on this board think. They have data available from the entire playerbase at their fingertips and it obviously showed too many players were using the acolyte.

[Kel Riever]

I'm fine with it going back to the way it was. Sure, it is easier to use without the charge up, but it never changed my game greatly. 

Modifié par Kel Riever, 19 décembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[junkgypsy]

TheCandlejack wrote...

junkgypsy wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

 I think the title explains it. WHY THE F**K BIOWARE!!. Hated the Acolyte when it had the charge ****, then they change it, and it was really good for adepts, now they change it again, AND THAT SUCKS!
Come on, is the only gun in the game that dosent fire when you pull the trigger. It gets you kill the charge time!
So yes, really really angry about that! Congratulations Bioware, you managed to f**k up one of the best guns!! Nerfs for everyone!!!!!

I agree with you.  The reason Bioware changed it is because of the people you see posting here that support the change.  They are the same people that b****ed about it being OP.  Bioware always does what the whiners and nerfers want because they outnumber the rest of us.  Simple as that.  Once they get their they come in here and gloat to show their epeen with comments like "learn to use it" and my favorite is saying that it will stop the "noobs" from using it.  They only say these things because thoese are the best reasons that they can come with for the change.  Gotta love the forums. 

So, you support the OP for coming to the forums to whine like a baby because they changed the gun from easy mode to the original state because others asked for it? Makes sense. /sarcasm

Makes just as much sense as you guys to want it back.  What's the difference?  How do you think it got changed in the first place?  People wanted it changed on the forums back then.  Now apparently a new group of people are posting here and a lot of the original posters have left so their voice is heard now.

[Homey C-Dawg]

It's much better if you get use to it. The charge puts the delay before the shot instead of after, allowing you to get a shot off then quickly switch weapons, use a power, reload, etc.

[TheCandlejack]

junkgypsy wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

junkgypsy wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

 I think the title explains it. WHY THE F**K BIOWARE!!. Hated the Acolyte when it had the charge ****, then they change it, and it was really good for adepts, now they change it again, AND THAT SUCKS!
Come on, is the only gun in the game that dosent fire when you pull the trigger. It gets you kill the charge time!
So yes, really really angry about that! Congratulations Bioware, you managed to f**k up one of the best guns!! Nerfs for everyone!!!!!

I agree with you.  The reason Bioware changed it is because of the people you see posting here that support the change.  They are the same people that b****ed about it being OP.  Bioware always does what the whiners and nerfers want because they outnumber the rest of us.  Simple as that.  Once they get their they come in here and gloat to show their epeen with comments like "learn to use it" and my favorite is saying that it will stop the "noobs" from using it.  They only say these things because thoese are the best reasons that they can come with for the change.  Gotta love the forums. 

So, you support the OP for coming to the forums to whine like a baby because they changed the gun from easy mode to the original state because others asked for it? Makes sense. /sarcasm

Makes just as much sense as you guys to want it back.  What's the difference?  How do you think it got changed in the first place?  People wanted it changed on the forums back then.  Now apparently a new group of people are posting here and a lot of the original posters have left so their voice is heard now.

Still doesn't change the fact that the OP sounds like a whiny little b*tch crying on the forums. They initially changed it because they wanted to counter missile glitching. Then Fagnan asked if people wanted it back to charge because it did jack sh*t to counter missile glitching, so they put it back.

[BridgeBurner]

The acolyte was awesome before, and now its back to being awesome.

[Ryan Torant]

I didnt know they had asked before making the change. I edited my first post.
I still belive is better chargeless.

Modifié par Ryan Torant, 19 décembre 2012 - 06:08 .

[junkgypsy]

TheCandlejack wrote...

junkgypsy wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

junkgypsy wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

 I think the title explains it. WHY THE F**K BIOWARE!!. Hated the Acolyte when it had the charge ****, then they change it, and it was really good for adepts, now they change it again, AND THAT SUCKS!
Come on, is the only gun in the game that dosent fire when you pull the trigger. It gets you kill the charge time!
So yes, really really angry about that! Congratulations Bioware, you managed to f**k up one of the best guns!! Nerfs for everyone!!!!!

I agree with you.  The reason Bioware changed it is because of the people you see posting here that support the change.  They are the same people that b****ed about it being OP.  Bioware always does what the whiners and nerfers want because they outnumber the rest of us.  Simple as that.  Once they get their they come in here and gloat to show their epeen with comments like "learn to use it" and my favorite is saying that it will stop the "noobs" from using it.  They only say these things because thoese are the best reasons that they can come with for the change.  Gotta love the forums. 

So, you support the OP for coming to the forums to whine like a baby because they changed the gun from easy mode to the original state because others asked for it? Makes sense. /sarcasm

Makes just as much sense as you guys to want it back.  What's the difference?  How do you think it got changed in the first place?  People wanted it changed on the forums back then.  Now apparently a new group of people are posting here and a lot of the original posters have left so their voice is heard now.

Still doesn't change the fact that the OP sounds like a whiny little b*tch crying on the forums. They initially changed it because they wanted to counter missile glitching. Then Fagnan asked if people wanted it back to charge because it did jack sh*t to counter missile glitching, so they put it back.

Well I guess you missed the threads about getting rid of the charge.  All it is, is when one group gets their way they call the opposing group whiners and b***ers .  That is all I find it very amusing that anytime you disagree with the majority, then you are whiner.  Only one opinoin is acceptable apparently.  There arejust as many people who didn"t want it changed, but we are not as mouthy.

[Kenadian]

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

I preferred it with the charge anyway. Along with the Graal, the Acolyte is the only gun that you can charge and fire from the hip without breaking your sprint. Worked great on the Fury before they changed it.

GPS says hai.

[drmoose00]

they did revert the acolyte....

[TheCandlejack]

junkgypsy wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

junkgypsy wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

junkgypsy wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

 I think the title explains it. WHY THE F**K BIOWARE!!. Hated the Acolyte when it had the charge ****, then they change it, and it was really good for adepts, now they change it again, AND THAT SUCKS!
Come on, is the only gun in the game that dosent fire when you pull the trigger. It gets you kill the charge time!
So yes, really really angry about that! Congratulations Bioware, you managed to f**k up one of the best guns!! Nerfs for everyone!!!!!

I agree with you.  The reason Bioware changed it is because of the people you see posting here that support the change.  They are the same people that b****ed about it being OP.  Bioware always does what the whiners and nerfers want because they outnumber the rest of us.  Simple as that.  Once they get their they come in here and gloat to show their epeen with comments like "learn to use it" and my favorite is saying that it will stop the "noobs" from using it.  They only say these things because thoese are the best reasons that they can come with for the change.  Gotta love the forums. 

So, you support the OP for coming to the forums to whine like a baby because they changed the gun from easy mode to the original state because others asked for it? Makes sense. /sarcasm

Makes just as much sense as you guys to want it back.  What's the difference?  How do you think it got changed in the first place?  People wanted it changed on the forums back then.  Now apparently a new group of people are posting here and a lot of the original posters have left so their voice is heard now.

Still doesn't change the fact that the OP sounds like a whiny little b*tch crying on the forums. They initially changed it because they wanted to counter missile glitching. Then Fagnan asked if people wanted it back to charge because it did jack sh*t to counter missile glitching, so they put it back.

Well I guess you missed the threads about getting rid of the charge. All it is, is when one group gets their way they call the opposing group whiners and b***ers. That is all I find it very amusing that anytime you disagree with the majority, then you are a whiner. Only one opinion is acceptable apparently. There are just as many people who didn't want it changed, but we are not as mouthy.

Let me ask you this, because the Acolyte got changed, did the OP REALLY need to make a thread about it? By the way, I fixed your post.

Modifié par TheCandlejack, 19 décembre 2012 - 06:27 .

[MetalDeggial]

N7Dropout1 wrote...

Why did some people prefer it with a charge mechanic? What is the reasoning?

There are two reasons for this my good fella:

1) PC master race.

2) People complaining about the Acolyte becoming a n00b-friendly gun (n00b-tube if you must) that "all the scrubs were using", ruining their games or something, simply because it lost its charge mechanic.

People got mad and called the removal of the charge mechanic a nerf because they simply couldn't shoot it while running, which is horrendous on consoles btw, and they couldn't charge, cloak, then release it when using infitlrators. And of course, the n00b-tube argument, which in my case was never a problem when creating lobbies on Xbox. I preferred it without the charge mechanic, simply because the controls for this game suck major loads of ass on consoles and firing it instantly when getting ambushed by a Phantom was a blessing. Who cares if people used it so much? If that was a real reason for reverting the change, then Biower should nerf the Harrier because that gun is present 100% of the time in my lobbies.

tl;dr: the elitist bunch believe the Acolyte should be used only by people that learned how to play, I.E. them.