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[TheCandlejack]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

I'm still yet to find a reasonable argument about why it is bad if the gun is noob-friendly in this game. I understand it in a PVP, for example, i hate in World of Tanks when some noob in my team with a kv-2 belives hes/shes invisible with the derp and dies in the first minute.

Because the Falcon and the Scorpion. 

I find RoF or DPS isn't as important and generally lackluster on these explosive weapons, they generally fulfil a utility role by staggering, applying ammo and damaging multiple enemies. To keep them staggered timing is more important. 
As such the increased DPS of the Scorpion holds little to the better ammo application and ease of use of the Acolyte. Meanwhile the Falcon is outclassed in everything, but AoE.

The main thing the Falcon has going for it is it's reliable stagger, good use of Ammo types and AoE. It has very lackluster damage and RoF.

[Omnifarious Nef]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

Facts: I dont know the guy, English is not my natural language.
Anyway, it it was sarcasm, i take it partialy back. I'm still yet to find a reasonable argument about why it is bad if the gun is noob-friendly in this game. I understand it in a PVP, for example, i hate in World of Tanks when some noob in my team with a kv-2 belives hes/shes invisible with the derp and dies in the first minute.

When everyone plays the same class, fights the same enemies on the same maps using the same weapons the game gets boring very quickly.

All rare weapons should be competitive with one another in terms of usefulness & utility because it promotes variety. What's the point of having all of these different guns when one is objectively better than the rest in it's class? The Acolyte without the charge function was incredibly easy to use and the kind of power/utility that comes with the Acolyte should have some drawback... like the charge feature. Without a drawback, the gun becomes hilariously unbalanced in comparision to other weapons.

Next you'll post a thread asking for the removal of the PPR's charge up time, and 600 base spare ammo capacity for the Harrier.

Not to mention, if Biower sees, "33% of all players use the Acolyte" we can expect a nerf, and a rather sever one at that.

[Ryan Torant]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

Facts: I dont know the guy, English is not my natural language.
Anyway, it it was sarcasm, i take it partialy back. I'm still yet to find a reasonable argument about why it is bad if the gun is noob-friendly in this game. I understand it in a PVP, for example, i hate in World of Tanks when some noob in my team with a kv-2 belives hes/shes invisible with the derp and dies in the first minute.

When everyone plays the same class, fights the same enemies on the same maps using the same weapons the game gets boring very quickly.

All rare weapons should be competitive with one another in terms of usefulness & utility because it promotes variety. What's the point of having all of these different guns when one is objectively better than the rest in it's class? The Acolyte without the charge function was incredibly easy to use and the kind of power/utility that comes with the Acolyte should have some drawback... like the charge feature. Without a drawback, the gun becomes hilariously unbalanced in comparision to other weapons.

Next you'll post a thread asking for the removal of the PPR's charge up time, and 600 base spare ammo capacity for the Harrier.

It had small clip and slow rof. It was a support gun, nothing ese.
I do enjoy a challange, i just dont like that delay, is just it. I wouldnt mind if it had one bullet in the clip, and 5 spare, with the rof decreased twice if i was just able to shoot when i wanted. I just used it for that. Shoot, then power.

[Ashen One]

Ryan Torant wrote...

It had small clip and slow rof. It was a support gun, nothing ese.

It was a utility weapon that was often times objectively better than the other rare pistols.

When a weapon brings that much utility to the table as opposed to the alternatives it should be harder to use, or come with a disadvantage.

Another example of that is the Particle Rifle vs the Harrier. In overcharge mode, it makes a joke of the Harrier but the charge up time keeps it in check. Both are good weapons, but a reasonable argument can be made for using either weapon over the other.

tl;dr deal with it.

[Ashen One]

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

Facts: I dont know the guy, English is not my natural language.
Anyway, it it was sarcasm, i take it partialy back. I'm still yet to find a reasonable argument about why it is bad if the gun is noob-friendly in this game. I understand it in a PVP, for example, i hate in World of Tanks when some noob in my team with a kv-2 belives hes/shes invisible with the derp and dies in the first minute.

When everyone plays the same class, fights the same enemies on the same maps using the same weapons the game gets boring very quickly.

All rare weapons should be competitive with one another in terms of usefulness & utility because it promotes variety. What's the point of having all of these different guns when one is objectively better than the rest in it's class? The Acolyte without the charge function was incredibly easy to use and the kind of power/utility that comes with the Acolyte should have some drawback... like the charge feature. Without a drawback, the gun becomes hilariously unbalanced in comparision to other weapons.

Next you'll post a thread asking for the removal of the PPR's charge up time, and 600 base spare ammo capacity for the Harrier.

Not to mention, if Biower sees, "33% of all players use the Acolyte" we can expect a nerf, and a rather sever one at that.

R.I.P. Krysae, Hunter Mode wallhack, Sabotage, Typhoon, and pre-nerf TC

[Ryan Torant]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

It had small clip and slow rof. It was a support gun, nothing ese.

It was a utility weapon that was often times objectively better than the other rare pistols.

When a weapon brings that much utility to the table as opposed to the alternatives it should be harder to use, or come with a disadvantage.

Another example of that is the Particle Rifle vs the Harrier. In overcharge mode, it makes a joke of the Harrier but the charge up time keeps it in check. Both are good weapons, but a reasonable argument can be made for using either weapon over the other.

tl;dr deal with it.

For what i see, this thread  is pointles. Yes, i do agree it was a bit OP, but they could have decreased rof, decreased clip size, anything.

[Ryan Torant]

Ashen Earth wrote...

NeferiusX3 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

Facts: I dont know the guy, English is not my natural language.
Anyway, it it was sarcasm, i take it partialy back. I'm still yet to find a reasonable argument about why it is bad if the gun is noob-friendly in this game. I understand it in a PVP, for example, i hate in World of Tanks when some noob in my team with a kv-2 belives hes/shes invisible with the derp and dies in the first minute.

When everyone plays the same class, fights the same enemies on the same maps using the same weapons the game gets boring very quickly.

All rare weapons should be competitive with one another in terms of usefulness & utility because it promotes variety. What's the point of having all of these different guns when one is objectively better than the rest in it's class? The Acolyte without the charge function was incredibly easy to use and the kind of power/utility that comes with the Acolyte should have some drawback... like the charge feature. Without a drawback, the gun becomes hilariously unbalanced in comparision to other weapons.

Next you'll post a thread asking for the removal of the PPR's charge up time, and 600 base spare ammo capacity for the Harrier.

Not to mention, if Biower sees, "33% of all players use the Acolyte" we can expect a nerf, and a rather sever one at that.

R.I.P. Krysae, Hunter Mode wallhack, Sabotage, Typhoon, and pre-nerf TC

While we have been "fighting" each other all day, i do agree with you and miss them. Created a post about the krysae a while back, but it was pointles. Bioware will never bring it to 1/10 of it glory.

[regack]

Ryan Torant wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

It had small clip and slow rof. It was a support gun, nothing ese.

It was a utility weapon that was often times objectively better than the other rare pistols.

When a weapon brings that much utility to the table as opposed to the alternatives it should be harder to use, or come with a disadvantage.

Another example of that is the Particle Rifle vs the Harrier. In overcharge mode, it makes a joke of the Harrier but the charge up time keeps it in check. Both are good weapons, but a reasonable argument can be made for using either weapon over the other.

tl;dr deal with it.

For what i see, this thread  is pointles. Yes, i do agree it was a bit OP, but they could have decreased rof, decreased clip size, anything.

Sure, decrease the ROF even more and remove more shots... make it even LESS useful for the casters, while not really doing any significant harm to the weapons users.

[Poison_Berrie]

Ryan Torant wrote...

For what i see, this thread  is pointles. Yes, i do agree it was a bit OP, but they could have decreased rof, decreased clip size, anything.

RoF was already at 40 with a minimum refire rate of 1 second. Going further would severly hamper reloading.
They would have probably dropped the damage some more as well as a few other things.

[Eriseley]

Ryan Torant wrote...

If you want challange, dont use it. Simple as that.

This has been recycled a million times. I remind you that you yourself mentioned it's coop with team-based challenges, you suggest ditching people and teams to avoid specific combos, I suggest playing Borderlands for press any key to get loot. Ultimately BioWare seems to want a game, yes a coop game, wherein the team based challenges aren't rendered moot by items, classes and team mates. I like that design, it holds my interest and Borderlands does not. You maybe don't, that's fine.

[elamo73]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

Facts: I dont know the guy, English is not my natural language.
Anyway, it it was sarcasm, i take it partialy back. I'm still yet to find a reasonable argument about why it is bad if the gun is noob-friendly in this game. I understand it in a PVP, for example, i hate in World of Tanks when some noob in my team with a kv-2 belives hes/shes invisible with the derp and dies in the first minute.

When everyone plays the same class, fights the same enemies on the same maps using the same weapons the game gets boring very quickly.

All rare weapons should be competitive with one another in terms of usefulness & utility because it promotes variety. What's the point of having all of these different guns when one is objectively better than the rest in it's class? The Acolyte without the charge function was incredibly easy to use and the kind of power/utility that comes with the Acolyte should have some drawback... like the charge feature. Without a drawback, the gun becomes hilariously unbalanced in comparision to other weapons.

Next you'll post a thread asking for the removal of the PPR's charge up time, and 600 base spare ammo capacity for the Harrier.

Agree with your point, I dont mind the charge when playin with heavy hitters or techs, I actually don't really care, but It feels as if they nerfd the Asari adepts.  Why whould you play with an adept to focus on using a weapon? there's the variety.  Perhaps a solution would be that main biotic characters didn't need to charge the acolyte.  After all, the gun was made specially for them.

[Eriseley]

I'm confused how the change specifically affects asari adepts.

[Ryan Torant]

Eriseley wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

If you want challange, dont use it. Simple as that.

This has been recycled a million times. I remind you that you yourself mentioned it's coop with team-based challenges, you suggest ditching people and teams to avoid specific combos, I suggest playing Borderlands for press any key to get loot. Ultimately BioWare seems to want a game, yes a coop game, wherein the team based challenges aren't rendered moot by items, classes and team mates. I like that design, it holds my interest and Borderlands does not. You maybe don't, that's fine.

FYI, i do play borederlands, but in sp.
Anyway, i do agree, its and overused comment.

[Ryan Torant]

elamo73 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

Facts: I dont know the guy, English is not my natural language.
Anyway, it it was sarcasm, i take it partialy back. I'm still yet to find a reasonable argument about why it is bad if the gun is noob-friendly in this game. I understand it in a PVP, for example, i hate in World of Tanks when some noob in my team with a kv-2 belives hes/shes invisible with the derp and dies in the first minute.

When everyone plays the same class, fights the same enemies on the same maps using the same weapons the game gets boring very quickly.

All rare weapons should be competitive with one another in terms of usefulness & utility because it promotes variety. What's the point of having all of these different guns when one is objectively better than the rest in it's class? The Acolyte without the charge function was incredibly easy to use and the kind of power/utility that comes with the Acolyte should have some drawback... like the charge feature. Without a drawback, the gun becomes hilariously unbalanced in comparision to other weapons.

Next you'll post a thread asking for the removal of the PPR's charge up time, and 600 base spare ammo capacity for the Harrier.

Agree with your point, I dont mind the charge when playin with heavy hitters or techs, I actually don't really care, but It feels as if they nerfd the Asari adepts.  Why whould you play with an adept to focus on using a weapon? there's the variety.  Perhaps a solution would be that main biotic characters didn't need to charge the acolyte.  After all, the gun was made specially for them.

Thats it! It would be great, but i dont see that happening. The ROF dosnt matter in a caster, you shoot, cast,cast, explosion, shoot, cast,cast,explosion.I dont get much casese were you need to fire two bullets.

[Ashen One]

regack wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

It had small clip and slow rof. It was a support gun, nothing ese.

It was a utility weapon that was often times objectively better than the other rare pistols.

When a weapon brings that much utility to the table as opposed to the alternatives it should be harder to use, or come with a disadvantage.

Another example of that is the Particle Rifle vs the Harrier. In overcharge mode, it makes a joke of the Harrier but the charge up time keeps it in check. Both are good weapons, but a reasonable argument can be made for using either weapon over the other.

tl;dr deal with it.

For what i see, this thread  is pointles. Yes, i do agree it was a bit OP, but they could have decreased rof, decreased clip size, anything.

Sure, decrease the ROF even more and remove more shots... make it even LESS useful for the casters, while not really doing any significant harm to the weapons users.

This is a pretty silly argument seeing as there were always better options for weapon experts to begin with.

Or maybe I'm wrong in not immediately thinking of the Acolyte when brainstorming the most hilariously OP setups to use with my Geth Infiltrator.

[Ryan Torant]

regack wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ryan Torant wrote...

It had small clip and slow rof. It was a support gun, nothing ese.

It was a utility weapon that was often times objectively better than the other rare pistols.

When a weapon brings that much utility to the table as opposed to the alternatives it should be harder to use, or come with a disadvantage.

Another example of that is the Particle Rifle vs the Harrier. In overcharge mode, it makes a joke of the Harrier but the charge up time keeps it in check. Both are good weapons, but a reasonable argument can be made for using either weapon over the other.

tl;dr deal with it.

For what i see, this thread  is pointles. Yes, i do agree it was a bit OP, but they could have decreased rof, decreased clip size, anything.

Sure, decrease the ROF even more and remove more shots... make it even LESS useful for the casters, while not really doing any significant harm to the weapons users.

See the post above. RoF dosnt matter really. Shoot, power,power, explosion. Thats the way i use it at least.

Modifié par Ryan Torant, 20 décembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Ashen One]

elamo73 wrote...

Why whould you play with an adept to focus on using a weapon?

For me it doesn't really require any conscious effort because the weapons in this game are braindead easy to use. This isn't BF3.

It's an airburst projectile ffs. Hold the trigger, and then release it while pointing the weapon in the general direction of your enemy. Simple as.

[Ryan Torant]

Ashen Earth wrote...

elamo73 wrote...

Why whould you play with an adept to focus on using a weapon?

For me it doesn't really require any conscious effort because the weapons in this game are braindead easy to use. This isn't BF3.

It's an airburst projectile ffs. Hold the trigger, and then release it while pointing the weapon in the general direction of your enemy. Simple as.

BF3 in quite braindead easy to use too. If you want something more "realistic" try sniper elite v2.

[anokie]

I cant always hear when its charged in the heat of battle its a bit lardyderpadooply noglopply hurp hurp a derply doop

[Ashen One]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Gonna be posting an all Acolyte GI run (probably tomorrow).

Don't hate on my build you elitist DB. It's beastly.

I'll just be over here with my Javelin, Piranha, Harrier, Particle Rifle, Claymore, Raider, and Black Widow

[elamo73]

Eriseley wrote...

I'm confused how the change specifically affects asari adepts.

I like having the choice of ranking my adepts depending on the way I use their powers, for example love the justicar's Pull then Reave combo, in gold and platinum games if you find yourself without team support and being rushed by shielded enemies you're best choice would be to run, making the Asari adepts too dependant.  Not to mention doing solo gold and platinum games, I like my character to be able to give and take in a straight up fight, but you can't do that from cover.

[Tybo]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Gonna be posting an all Acolyte GI run (probably tomorrow).

Don't hate on my build you elitist DB. It's beastly.

I'll just be over here with my Javelin, Piranha, Harrier, Particle Rifle, Claymore, Raider, and Black Widow

You forgot the Hurricane and the Talon.

[TheCandlejack]

Ryan Torant wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

elamo73 wrote...

Why whould you play with an adept to focus on using a weapon?

For me it doesn't really require any conscious effort because the weapons in this game are braindead easy to use. This isn't BF3.

It's an airburst projectile ffs. Hold the trigger, and then release it while pointing the weapon in the general direction of your enemy. Simple as.

BF3 in quite braindead easy to use too. If you want something more "realistic" try sniper elite v2.

Nope ArmA 1 & 2.