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[Celene II]

You get them both and enjoy them separate without comparing them to each other.

They are different beasts entirely

[Lotion Soronarr]

I prefer DA's world and backstory - the PE setting with it's soul power really kinda rubs me the wrong way.
But other than that, PE looks superior in every gameplay way.

[AlexanderCousland]

All I know is If DA3's experience doesnt make me want to invest myself in similar fashion to what DA:O's experience did, then I'm going to be extremely dissapointed. DA2 was like a bad dream to me, Like an awful Fade creature, that game. Smh

[Rawgrim]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I prefer DA's world and backstory - the PE setting with it's soul power really kinda rubs me the wrong way.
But other than that, PE looks superior in every gameplay way.

I agree. the soul power stuff gave me a bad vibe too, to be honest.

[TheRealJayDee]

I backed PE with more money than I'd likely pay for DA:I CE on preorder plus all coming DLCs. And I've never even been much of fan of the old Infinity engine games. Only played Planescape: Torment this year (loved it very much!), and for the nth time failed to get into Baldur's Gate (something just doesn't click). The names behind PE still got me very excited, and I hope it will be a good game.

As other have said, PE and DA:I are very different projects, and I hope they both do well. I really can't say which I will enjoy more in the end, depending on which direction DA:I is taking and how Obsidian manages the execution of their ambitions. What I do know is that I won't preorder DA:I and will likely wait until some of the inevitable DLC is released before I consider getting it. DA2 still stings.

The game that is probably most to my personal liking in it's mix of mechanics, scale, presentation and setting is still DA:O, which brought me to Bioware and more or less back into PC gaming in general.

[Little Princess Peach]

the Art style dose not bother me I just don't want bioware to derail from origins, I like having dragon age being and rpg but so far they seem to be taking those rpg elements out.

[Plato]

Why is this even being discussed? You can play both and like both can you not?
Or is it going to be another Harry Potter vs Lotr where you apparently can only like one of them?

[Darth Krytie]

Billiem wrote...

Why is this even being discussed? You can play both and like both can you not?
Or is it going to be another Harry Potter vs Lotr where you apparently can only like one of them?

MTE

I wonder why it's so important to some people to have this either/or mentality.

I say as many good games as can be should exist.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I prefer DA's world and backstory - the PE setting with it's soul power really kinda rubs me the wrong way.
But other than that, PE looks superior in every gameplay way.

The soul concept is what gave me hope. Another generic fantasy setting is exactly what i didn't want to see. Something with ethereal and meta physical overtones like Planescape Torment is honestly the absolute ideal setting for this new game imo.

[SpunkyMonkey]

I'm surprised at how many people seem to have it in for the OP just because he was curious about something. If you're not interested or don't think the question is relevant then don't reply to the thread. Surely the best thing to do if you feel the thread is irrelevant/pointless/stupid etc. is not bump it up with a response? Replying complaining about the OP or thread is like buying Beatle's records just to burn them - it's a course of action that promotes the very thing that person is complaining about.

On the comparison itself I actually think that the key point in all this is the timing of it.

PE is something which gamers have been crying out for. BW's inch by inch watering down of RPGs seems to have picked up momentum over the past few games, and PE will provide a suitable alternative for those who aren't happy with the direction BW are taking.

If BW fails in converting the masses to RPG's as they appear to be aiming to do, and also upset enough fans with DA:3 the way that DA:2 did, then it could spell trouble for them.

Non-RPG COD fans could well stay non-RPG COD fans, and RPG fans wanting games more BG & DA:O than DA:2 could "convert"* to those publishing the likes of PE. It's a worrying scenario.

*And by "convert" I mean where you spend your dollar first. It could make quite a difference for those who have to watch their game-spend.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 20 décembre 2012 - 01:22 .

[Rawgrim]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I'm surprised at how many people seem to have it in for the OP just because he was curious about something. If you're not interested or don't think the question is relevant then don't reply to the thread. Surely the best thing to do if you feel the thread is irrelevant/pointless/stupid etc. is not bump it up with a response? Replying complaining about the OP or thread is like buying Beatle's records just to burn them - it's a course of action that promotes the very thing that person is complaining about.

On the comparison itself I actually think that the key point in all this is the timing of it.

PE is something which gamers have been crying out for. BW's inch by inch watering down of RPGs seems to have picked up momentum over the past few games, and PE will provide a suitable alternative for those who aren't happy with the direction BW are taking.

If BW fails in converting the masses to RPG's as they appear to be aiming to do, and also upset enough fans with DA:3 the way that DA:2 did, then it could spell trouble for them.

Non-RPG COD fans could well stay non-RPG COD fans, and RPG fans wanting games more BG & DA:O than DA:2 could "convert"* to those publishing the likes of PE. It's a worrying scenario.

*And by "convert" I mean where you spend their dollar first. It could make quite a difference for those who have to watch their game-spend.

Very good post.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Rawgrim wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

I'm surprised at how many people seem to have it in for the OP just because he was curious about something. If you're not interested or don't think the question is relevant then don't reply to the thread. Surely the best thing to do if you feel the thread is irrelevant/pointless/stupid etc. is not bump it up with a response? Replying complaining about the OP or thread is like buying Beatle's records just to burn them - it's a course of action that promotes the very thing that person is complaining about.

On the comparison itself I actually think that the key point in all this is the timing of it.

PE is something which gamers have been crying out for. BW's inch by inch watering down of RPGs seems to have picked up momentum over the past few games, and PE will provide a suitable alternative for those who aren't happy with the direction BW are taking.

If BW fails in converting the masses to RPG's as they appear to be aiming to do, and also upset enough fans with DA:3 the way that DA:2 did, then it could spell trouble for them.

Non-RPG COD fans could well stay non-RPG COD fans, and RPG fans wanting games more BG & DA:O than DA:2 could "convert"* to those publishing the likes of PE. It's a worrying scenario.

*And by "convert" I mean where you spend their dollar first. It could make quite a difference for those who have to watch their game-spend.

Very good post.

Thankyou

[The Elder King]

Billiem wrote...

Why is this even being discussed? You can play both and like both can you not?
Or is it going to be another Harry Potter vs Lotr where you apparently can only like one of them?

That was really an idiotic comparison. Though in regards of DA3, from what I saw in the forums, it's nothing new. For DA2, the comparison was with TW2 and Skyrim. This time, is with PE (and possibly some other games that will be announced next year, expecially if DAI will be released in 2014).
I'm not going to be surprised if people will compare ME4 with Cyberpunk 2077.

[Provi-dance]

Maria Caliban wrote...
 PE is a niche product designed for a niche audience. 

This, right here, is exactly P.E.'s strength. It doesn't try to appeal to masses and then fail at appealing to masses.
 

It's also being created by Obsidian who have a rather horrible track record when it comes to executing their designs. 

I'd argue that if the concept (of gameplay design) is good, you can improve the execution, but if you're stuck with horrible gameplay design concepts: execution doesn't really matter a lot.

[Chromie]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

No contest Da3 wins..This game looks cheap and boring . As did Fall out 1 and 2.

I...uhh..don't know what to say.   


Project Eternity is a niche product and like what others have said Obsidian doesn't have to try and casualize or appeal to the masses because they are making a game for us backers. Obsidian has creative freedom to do what they want.  I don't see Dragon Age 3 being comparable at all to P.E it already sounds to me like P.E's combat will be much more challenging and tactical than Dragon Age could ever hope to be and then there is Chris Avellone. The man knows how to write an amazing story ofcourse let's not forget the other writers but Kotor 2 and PS;T are my favorite games because of him. 

Modifié par Skelter192, 20 décembre 2012 - 05:05 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Faerunner wrote...

I think people who actually like RPG's will like Project Eternity since they're focusing on recapturing that traditional fantasy RPG feel that helped make Dragon Age popular in the first place, but which most gaming studios dismiss as unmarketable. Those that like action and cinematics will like DA3.

Isn't it possible to like both games at the same time for the respective reasons that you've mentioned. Why does everything with fans have to be so divissive?

It's possible to like both Bethsoft RPGs and BioWare RPGs. It's okay to enjoy WRPGs just as much as you enjoy JRPGs. It's also possible to like the Dragon Age games and The Witcher series at the same time. The Universe won't collapse in on itself if you do, people.

[Chromie]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...
It's okay to enjoy WRPGs just as much as you enjoy JRPGs. It's also possible to like the Dragon Age games and The Witcher series at the same time. 

No, it's not. Well not on BSN. 

[frankf43]

here's hoping they are both top quality games. The gaming world can never have too many Fantasy RPG's for me.

[Tinu]

From what I've seen it's really focussed on old school RPG'ers, so I don't think it's something for me.

Dragon Age can make me laugh, cry, be excited, even a little bit salacious (I'm not sure it expresses what I mean, but well... translations aren't my best friend anyway). I don't believe inventory or party management will do that to me.

[Fast Jimmy]

Provi-dance wrote...

I'd argue that if the concept (of gameplay design) is good, you can improve the execution, but if you're stuck with horrible gameplay design concepts: execution doesn't really matter a lot.

Not to sound like a Debbie Downer, but I agree. DA3 has many features and elements of gameplay design I'm going to have to 'deal with' as not my cup of tea, with most of the real details yet to be revealed. PE has more features I am excited about with, again, a lot left to see how it turns out. DA3 may have superior content, despite not being my favorite method of gameplay. Or PE might reduce its features down to mere lip service as the deadline grows nearer. Or the exact opposite on both, or somewhere inbetween on both. 

This thread is full of speculations based off of half-understood promises and assertations... which is fine. But I don't think we know enough about either game to do anything more than guess based on how we imagine these games look in our minds. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 20 décembre 2012 - 05:35 .

[PinkDiamondstl]

Skelter192 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

No contest Da3 wins..This game looks cheap and boring . As did Fall out 1 and 2.

I...uhh..don't know what to say.   


Project Eternity is a niche product and like what others have said Obsidian doesn't have to try and casualize or appeal to the masses because they are making a game for us backers. Obsidian has creative freedom to do what they want.  I don't see Dragon Age 3 being comparable at all to P.E it already sounds to me like P.E's combat will be much more challenging and tactical than Dragon Age could ever hope to be and then there is Chris Avellone. The man knows how to write an amazing story ofcourse let's not forget the other writers but Kotor 2 and PS;T are my favorite games because of him. 

Playing a little fast and loose with the word amazing..story wise. Obsidan as a bad  habit of creating the same game over and over again with the same artstyle ,the same stiff animation . And I'm sure that you looked at the video of PE . They are going back to the old school style? It is going to be 2013 people..

[Rawgrim]

TinuHawke wrote...

From what I've seen it's really focussed on old school RPG'ers, so I don't think it's something for me.

Dragon Age can make me laugh, cry, be excited, even a little bit salacious (I'm not sure it expresses what I mean, but well... translations aren't my best friend anyway). I don't believe inventory or party management will do that to me.

Thagt bit doesn`t get replaced by party management, you know. a game can have both.

[WhiteKnyght]

All games compete with one another - its not a question of genre. But if I can buy both Inquisition and Eternity, I will.

Also the idea of competition is mostly from a customer viewpoint, the devs who make these games are all friendly with one another, even though they work for different companies.

Plus IIRC, more than one Bioware dev donated to Project Eternity.

[LinksOcarina]

Skelter192 wrote...

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...
It's okay to enjoy WRPGs just as much as you enjoy JRPGs. It's also possible to like the Dragon Age games and The Witcher series at the same time. 

No, it's not. Well not on BSN. 

Yes it is.

Although there is no such thing as those categories...

[Fast Jimmy]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Playing a little fast and loose with the word amazing.[/b].story wise. Obsidan as a bad  habit of creating the same game over and over again with the same artstyle ,the same stiff animation . And I'm sure that you looked at the video of PE . They are going back to the old school style? It is going to be 2013 people..

I disagree. Graphics and visuals are one of the lowest things on my list of things I care about. As long as it doesn't burn my retinas, I can enjoy it. Story, gameplay and replayability are my highest points, so a game that can afford to create TONS of extra content by leveraging today's technology to render passable graphics is like candy to me. 

2013 can make flashy games... but games that can be beaten in weekend even if you see every side quest, character and location. I like games I can sink my teeth into, where I can play for the fifteenth time five, ten, fifteen years later and still find new things I didn't know existed. 

Developers voted Baldur's Gate the best video game of all time just a few years ago. But it is impossible for a company to make a Bladur's Gate again - the budget for the amount of dialogue and voice acting would bankrupt it. Similarly, a 3D environment for all the different maps and locations, and for all the various spells and effects the game did, would burn a similar hole in modern gaming's development resources. 

Which is fine... but it also showcases the cost of everything looking 'pretty.' If the best game ever made, as per people who make games for a living, couldn't be made anymore using today's methods, I don't think it's crazy at all to try and make a game in its same design with modern hardware and software to make things run smoother and create content more rapidly. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 20 décembre 2012 - 06:30 .