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[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.It shows that the reapers did leave the project going even with everyone was indoctrianted.

Ah, it's confirmed, the Reapers are just idiots.

2.They are trying to make it not look like a trap and the project can't make out going communication or they would be found by the batarians.

They were already found out by the batarians.

What you're saying is their plan was to not actually do anything to lure Shepard there at all, as part of their master plan to lure her into a trap. 

So their plan to lure Shepard into a trap was to... not lure her into a trap.

Don't you think there's something wrong there? 

Added the fastest way to contact Shepard, who is on a stelth ship that has very little ways for someone not associated the Shepard and his crew to contact is through Shepard's allies. Hacket is one of Shepard's allies.

Relying on Hackett to contact him independantly doesn't make any sense. 

2.No, it was comfermed that the bartarian was still looking for the project. They just found Kenson as She was bring more parts into the system.

The plan was to use Kenson as the bait. To gether captured so Shepard would come.
3. Yes it does. Look at how anyone who knows Shepard , wanted to thank Shepard, or ask Shepards help with anything in ME2. They contact Shepard's Allies to get the message across.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


Ok...It ether the world realy has ended or I've gone insane.

Is this a trick question?  I mean do we have to pick one?  It makes me uncomfortable when one clearly isn't true and the other is well, compelling.

Sure, anyone who doesn't agree with you has to be insane./sarcasm

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


Ok...It ether the world realy has ended or I've gone insane.

Is this a trick question?  I mean do we have to pick one?  It makes me uncomfortable when one clearly isn't true and the other is well, compelling.

Sure, anyone who doesn't agree with you has to be insane./sarcasm

See but I was quoting you and I never said that, you did.  And this was only about you and not about anyone else.  One of my really good friends on these forums does not dislike the endings, but I consider him a BSN friend who is not insane.  However, you've consistently taken every opportunity to flame me.  Even here in a thread that is about our opinion on a movie, you can't let anyone who disagrees with you have one.  I don't think that's rational.  And I don't even mind or care that you like it-to each his own.  But it would be nice if you would start acting more decent when someone disagrees with you.  (Oh, and I have plenty of people that don't agree with me as friends-we agree on the bigger point and that is that our personal likes are less important than the care and concern we have for one another).  The world would be a boring place if everyone agreed all the time.  Learn to accept that fact.  I happen to like and love a lot of people that have different opinions from mine.  And it's a great thing.

But this is off topic.  And unless you want the thread locked it's best to remain on topic and stop making it personal.  I don't like the mov, er cartoon. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 21 décembre 2012 - 09:24 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.It shows that the reapers did leave the project going even with everyone was indoctrianted.

Ah, it's confirmed, the Reapers are just idiots.

2.They are trying to make it not look like a trap and the project can't make out going communication or they would be found by the batarians.

They were already found out by the batarians.

What you're saying is their plan was to not actually do anything to lure Shepard there at all, as part of their master plan to lure her into a trap. 

So their plan to lure Shepard into a trap was to... not lure her into a trap.

Don't you think there's something wrong there? 

Added the fastest way to contact Shepard, who is on a stelth ship that has very little ways for someone not associated the Shepard and his crew to contact is through Shepard's allies. Hacket is one of Shepard's allies.

Relying on Hackett to contact him independantly doesn't make any sense. 

2.No, it was comfermed that the bartarian was still looking for the project. They just found Kenson as She was bring more parts into the system.

The plan was to use Kenson as the bait. To gether captured so Shepard would come.

That explains why Kenson is almost tortured and killed, telling the batarians that the Alliance is in system. 

Excellent bait, when they could have just had Hackett direct Shepard straight to the base. 

3. Yes it does. Look at how anyone who knows Shepard , wanted to thank Shepard, or ask Shepards help with anything in ME2. They contact Shepard's Allies to get the message across.

None of that counters the fact that they relied on someone not under their influence or control to even tell Shepard the project existed. 

Shepard can easily just say no. If she does, the Reapers make no attempt to lure her. Brilliant plan, I must say. Plan to trap your advesary somehow but don't do anything to bring these plans to fruition. 

[3DandBeyond]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

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None of that counters the fact that they relied on someone not under their influence or control to even tell Shepard the project existed. 

Shepard can easily just say no. If she does, the Reapers make no attempt to lure her. Brilliant plan, I must say. Plan to trap your advesary somehow but don't do anything to bring these plans to fruition. 

The whole problem with much of this is that this reaper trap isn't even a good trap since Shepard can avoid it altogether, as you say, Shepard can just say no and not do the mission.  And if it was a reaper trap then surely they would have removed a way for Shepard to destroy everything.  Why would that be left intact?

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 21 décembre 2012 - 09:28 .

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.It shows that the reapers did leave the project going even with everyone was indoctrianted.

Ah, it's confirmed, the Reapers are just idiots.

2.They are trying to make it not look like a trap and the project can't make out going communication or they would be found by the batarians.

They were already found out by the batarians.

What you're saying is their plan was to not actually do anything to lure Shepard there at all, as part of their master plan to lure her into a trap. 

So their plan to lure Shepard into a trap was to... not lure her into a trap.

Don't you think there's something wrong there? 

Added the fastest way to contact Shepard, who is on a stelth ship that has very little ways for someone not associated the Shepard and his crew to contact is through Shepard's allies. Hacket is one of Shepard's allies.

Relying on Hackett to contact him independantly doesn't make any sense. 

2.No, it was comfermed that the bartarian was still looking for the project. They just found Kenson as She was bring more parts into the system.

The plan was to use Kenson as the bait. To gether captured so Shepard would come.

That explains why Kenson is almost tortured and killed, telling the batarians that the Alliance is in system. 

Excellent bait, when they could have just had Hackett direct Shepard straight to the base. 

3. Yes it does. Look at how anyone who knows Shepard , wanted to thank Shepard, or ask Shepards help with anything in ME2. They contact Shepard's Allies to get the message across.

None of that counters the fact that they relied on someone not under their influence or control to even tell Shepard the project existed. 

Shepard can easily just say no. If she does, the Reapers make no attempt to lure her. Brilliant plan, I must say. Plan to trap your advesary somehow but don't do anything to bring these plans to fruition. 

1. What would be the reason? So what if the reapers are about to come? If the project is ready to destory the relay to stop them, Shepard does not need to be there to make sure it happens.
The ides is to lure Shepard in. Telling Shepard that the reapers are about to invade and there is a project  ready stop the one way for them to invade everywhere instantly is not going tohave Shepard run tothe project, it would only have Shepard tell them to do it while He/she preps for the invasion. Shepard would have no reason to go.

2.The reason why Shepard did go on the mission was becasue of missing info on said project. The lure is Kenson herself and the info she had. Had Kenson been fine and not capturedand  the full details of the project was told to Shepard, Shepard would of seen no reason to go. He/ She would just say lanch the asteriod while he/she starts preping for the invasion.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

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None of that counters the fact that they relied on someone not under their influence or control to even tell Shepard the project existed. 

Shepard can easily just say no. If she does, the Reapers make no attempt to lure her. Brilliant plan, I must say. Plan to trap your advesary somehow but don't do anything to bring these plans to fruition. 

The whole problem with much of this is that this reaper trap isn't even a good trap since Shepard can avoid it altogether, as you say, Shepard can just say no and not do the mission.  And if it was a reaper trap then surely they would have removed a way for Shepard to destroy everything.  Why would that be left intact?

Shepard could avide the collector ship trap as well. With every trap, there is a chance of if being avoided.

It's clearly a trap being that SHepard is lead to a room that has a reaper device that knocks him/her out and and get's him captured.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


Ok...It ether the world realy has ended or I've gone insane.

Is this a trick question?  I mean do we have to pick one?  It makes me uncomfortable when one clearly isn't true and the other is well, compelling.

Sure, anyone who doesn't agree with you has to be insane./sarcasm

See but I was quoting you and I never said that, you did.  And this was only about you and not about anyone else.  One of my really good friends on these forums does not dislike the endings, but I consider him a BSN friend who is not insane.  However, you've consistently taken every opportunity to flame me.  Even here in a thread that is about our opinion on a movie, you can't let anyone who disagrees with you have one.  I don't think that's rational.  And I don't even mind or care that you like it-to each his own.  But it would be nice if you would start acting more decent when someone disagrees with you.  (Oh, and I have plenty of people that don't agree with me as friends-we agree on the bigger point and that is that our personal likes are less important than the care and concern we have for one another).  The world would be a boring place if everyone agreed all the time.  Learn to accept that fact.  I happen to like and love a lot of people that have different opinions from mine.  And it's a great thing.

But this is off topic.  And unless you want the thread locked it's best to remain on topic and stop making it personal.  I don't like the mov, er cartoon. 

I only flamed you based on how you react to what I state. You don't like what I say fine. But you also goout of your way to butt heads with me.
I never expect someone to agree with my point, just to understand them.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...
I only flamed you based on how you react to what I state. You don't like what I say fine. But you also goout of your way to butt heads with me.
I never expect someone to agree with my point, just to understand them.

This whole thread has been about someone commenting negatively about the cartoon and then getting attacked by you for something more personal.

And you want me to understand you, well that is not possible. You see things in a way I could never understand (not saying it's bad, it works for you, but it makes no sense to me). If I say I like the color blue, you say it's a bad color because of the number one. That's how our "discussions" go. You never admit you make mistakes, never once can agree people have the right to their own opinions and instead try to tell them how wrong they are. And often tell people implicitly that they are stupid because they need to know something they already clearly know.

You insist some things here, that people have to watch a whole movie to either like or dislike it and yet can't prove you even watched the whole thing. You consistently call someone a liar (and use things like BS to show contempt) when they say something you just don't believe.

You make over the top generalized statements about people and if they talk back to you, you think they are the problem. There has never been a thread that where I've posted that you have not taken the opportunity to tell me how wrong I am. So, talk about butting heads. I can't usually understand things you say because (not to be insulting, really) we don't speak the same language, I think. I don't know if English is your second language or not, but you are the single hardest to comprehend person on these forums and often you repeat the same things over and over again without even trying to understand what anyone else is saying. At least I read what you write and try to understand before commenting on it. You don't read what I write and never seem to understand or you make stuff up.

I'd respect your opinion if just once you respected mine enough to read it and try to understand it. Instead, I write something and you attack me personally, always.


Ultimately, if you don't want people's opinions then don't create opinion polls and threads asking for opinions.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 21 décembre 2012 - 10:13 .

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. What would be the reason? So what if the reapers are about to come? If the project is ready to destory the relay to stop them, Shepard does not need to be there to make sure it happens.

The solution, obviously, is to randomly rely on an unknown factor like Hackett to politely ask for a favor so that Shepard might consider running alone into a prison full of batarian guards and soliders 

The ides is to lure Shepard in. Telling Shepard that the reapers are about to invade and there is a project  ready stop the one way for them to invade everywhere instantly is not going tohave Shepard run tothe project, it would only have Shepard tell them to do it while He/she preps for the invasion. Shepard would have no reason to go.

#

"Shepard, we have information on the Reapers, and we've uncovered an artifact in the Bahak system that needs recovering. Your stealth ship can do that. Here's the coordinates."

Why is the convuluted method they actually used, whichpotentially and very easily ends up in Shepard not going, more reliable than that? 

2.The reason why Shepard did go on the mission was becasue of missing info on said project. The lure is Kenson herself and the info she had. Had Kenson been fine and not capturedand  the full details of the project was told to Shepard, Shepard would of seen no reason to go. He/ She would just say lanch the asteriod while he/she starts preping for the invasion.

Nothing more to add. 

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. What would be the reason? So what if the reapers are about to come? If the project is ready to destory the relay to stop them, Shepard does not need to be there to make sure it happens.

The solution, obviously, is to randomly rely on an unknown factor like Hackett to politely ask for a favor so that Shepard might consider running alone into a prison full of batarian guards and soliders 

The ides is to lure Shepard in. Telling Shepard that the reapers are about to invade and there is a project  ready stop the one way for them to invade everywhere instantly is not going tohave Shepard run tothe project, it would only have Shepard tell them to do it while He/she preps for the invasion. Shepard would have no reason to go.

#

"Shepard, we have information on the Reapers, and we've uncovered an artifact in the Bahak system that needs recovering. Your stealth ship can do that. Here's the coordinates."

Why is the convuluted method they actually used, whichpotentially and very easily ends up in Shepard not going, more reliable than that? 

2.The reason why Shepard did go on the mission was becasue of missing info on said project. The lure is Kenson herself and the info she had. Had Kenson been fine and not capturedand  the full details of the project was told to Shepard, Shepard would of seen no reason to go. He/ She would just say lanch the asteriod while he/she starts preping for the invasion.

Nothing more to add. 

1. That probapity ofthat is very high being that he is depending on Shepard to help get ready for the reapers.
2.No, that would not get Shepard to go. Even hacket would not ask Shepard to do that.. It's a bloody reaper artifact. Both Shepard and Hacket know it indocrinats people.

Shepard would say no. Anyone would say no.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I only flamed you based on how you react to what I state. You don't like what I say fine. But you also goout of your way to butt heads with me.
I never expect someone to agree with my point, just to understand them.

This whole thread has been about someone commenting negatively about the cartoon and then getting attacked by you for something more personal.

And you want me to understand you, well that is not possible. You see things in a way I could never understand (not saying it's bad, it works for you, but it makes no sense to me). If I say I like the color blue, you say it's a bad color because of the number one. That's how our "discussions" go. You never admit you make mistakes, never once can agree people have the right to their own opinions and instead try to tell them how wrong they are. And often tell people implicitly that they are stupid because they need to know something they already clearly know.

You insist some things here, that people have to watch a whole movie to either like or dislike it and yet can't prove you even watched the whole thing. You consistently call someone a liar (and use things like BS to show contempt) when they say something you just don't believe.

You make over the top generalized statements about people and if they talk back to you, you think they are the problem. There has never been a thread that where I've posted that you have not taken the opportunity to tell me how wrong I am. So, talk about butting heads. I can't usually understand things you say because (not to be insulting, really) we don't speak the same language, I think. I don't know if English is your second language or not, but you are the single hardest to comprehend person on these forums and often you repeat the same things over and over again without even trying to understand what anyone else is saying. At least I read what you write and try to understand before commenting on it. You don't read what I write and never seem to understand or you make stuff up.

I'd respect your opinion if just once you respected mine enough to read it and try to understand it. Instead, I write something and you attack me personally, always.


Ultimately, if you don't want people's opinions then don't create opinion polls and threads asking for opinions.

No that is not the case. My entire issue is with people who havenot watched and come in to say something nagative about it.You seem to not get that no matter how many times I say it. I'venot one in this topic argued with anyone who watch it and hated it. My issue is with people who hate it with out watching it.

[katamuro]

So its only available in USA?

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...
No that is not the case. My entire issue is with people who havenot watched and come in to say something nagative about it.You seem to not get that no matter how many times I say it. I'venot one in this topic argued with anyone who watch it and hated it. My issue is with people who hate it with out watching it.

Yes it is because your definition of "watched" is the only thing you think is right.  If I don't like something why would I watch the whole thing?  I saw enough to be able to comment on.  I have no idea how much of it you watched, but I have yet to call you a liar about anything.  You immediately assumed that I and others did not "watch" it and said it was obvious through I guess telepathy.  And when we said we'd seen enough of it, you said we saw trailers.  When I said I saw more than trailers, you said I saw clips.  When I said that I was able to watch the whole thing but couldn't do so, you basically said I was lying.  And now, when you think I might be telling the truth, my opinion only matters if I watched the whole thing.  That's demented.  No other way to put it, but that's frequently how it goes.  You change the rules when the answers aren't what you like.

I've watched enough of the thing to know I don't like it.  I've also seen a lot of the clips and trailers and even art work from conception to implementation and it's lacking, IMO.  The story has major flaws in crucial parts, and this I got from a lot of other synopses that I've read.  But, in your opinion, I'd have to stuff back my distaste for it and watch the whole thing to know whether or not I like it.  That's not how this works.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No that is not the case. My entire issue is with people who havenot watched and come in to say something nagative about it.You seem to not get that no matter how many times I say it. I'venot one in this topic argued with anyone who watch it and hated it. My issue is with people who hate it with out watching it.

Yes it is because your definition of "watched" is the only thing you think is right.  If I don't like something why would I watch the whole thing?  I saw enough to be able to comment on.  I have no idea how much of it you watched, but I have yet to call you a liar about anything.  You immediately assumed that I and others did not "watch" it and said it was obvious through I guess telepathy.  And when we said we'd seen enough of it, you said we saw trailers.  When I said I saw more than trailers, you said I saw clips.  When I said that I was able to watch the whole thing but couldn't do so, you basically said I was lying.  And now, when you think I might be telling the truth, my opinion only matters if I watched the whole thing.  That's demented.  No other way to put it, but that's frequently how it goes.  You change the rules when the answers aren't what you like.

I've watched enough of the thing to know I don't like it.  I've also seen a lot of the clips and trailers and even art work from conception to implementation and it's lacking, IMO.  The story has major flaws in crucial parts, and this I got from a lot of other synopses that I've read.  But, in your opinion, I'd have to stuff back my distaste for it and watch the whole thing to know whether or not I like it.  That's not how this works.

And I asked before to prove it.Which you yet to do.

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. That probapity ofthat is very high being that he is depending on Shepard to help get ready for the reapers.

Why? Shepard is in the middle of fighting the Collectors, and doing a person favor for Hackett is pretty low on the list of priorities, 

Remember, Shepard can just as easily not do it. 

2.No, that would not get Shepard to go. Even hacket would not ask Shepard to do that.. It's a bloody reaper artifact. Both Shepard and Hacket know it indocrinats people.

Shepard would say no. Anyone would say no.

They didn't know it would indoctrinate people. Shepard can take measures to prevent it. The Reapers can think of another reason. Recover some data, pick up the scientists, make sure the plan goes off, look for more information herself, come and f*cking examine the information and leave. 

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

And I asked before to prove it.Which you yet to do.

Again, this is you calling me a liar.  And you have yet to prove you watched the whole thing, so get over yourself.  I don't owe you any proof of anything.  I watched enough of it (at least ten minutes) to know I didn't like it.  You prove that I didn't.  And stop calling me a liar.  And remember that you keep complaining about hate for inanimate things with no feelings-games and movies, but you show some hate for real people who do have feelings and lives and cares and concerns.  Hate for people trumps hate for games and movies every time.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. That probapity ofthat is very high being that he is depending on Shepard to help get ready for the reapers.

Why? Shepard is in the middle of fighting the Collectors, and doing a person favor for Hackett is pretty low on the list of priorities, 

Remember, Shepard can just as easily not do it. 

2.No, that would not get Shepard to go. Even hacket would not ask Shepard to do that.. It's a bloody reaper artifact. Both Shepard and Hacket know it indocrinats people.

Shepard would say no. Anyone would say no.

They didn't know it would indoctrinate people. Shepard can take measures to prevent it. The Reapers can think of another reason. Recover some data, pick up the scientists, make sure the plan goes off, look for more information herself, come and f*cking examine the information and leave. 

1. In Arrival he is already done with that. He has no more important things to do.
2.Yes, they do. Shepard has the entire report from Virmire, reaper artifacts found in ME1 AND me2, and the dead reaper on that info. Shepard even ask about the issues of indoctrination of the artifact before going to the project.
They all clearly know.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 décembre 2012 - 10:51 .

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And I asked before to prove it.Which you yet to do.

Again, this is you calling me a liar.  And you have yet to prove you watched the whole thing, so get over yourself.  I don't owe you any proof of anything.  I watched enough of it (at least ten minutes) to know I didn't like it.  You prove that I didn't.  And stop calling me a liar.  And remember that you keep complaining about hate for inanimate things with no feelings-games and movies, but you show some hate for real people who do have feelings and lives and cares and concerns.  Hate for people trumps hate for games and movies every time.

I'm being as fair to you as anyone who has not watch the movie and hates it any way is being fair to it...Ironic isn't it?

I'm still waiting.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And I asked before to prove it.Which you yet to do.

Again, this is you calling me a liar.  And you have yet to prove you watched the whole thing, so get over yourself.  I don't owe you any proof of anything.  I watched enough of it (at least ten minutes) to know I didn't like it.  You prove that I didn't.  And stop calling me a liar.  And remember that you keep complaining about hate for inanimate things with no feelings-games and movies, but you show some hate for real people who do have feelings and lives and cares and concerns.  Hate for people trumps hate for games and movies every time.

I'm being as fair to you as anyone who has not watch the movie and hates it any way is being fair to it...Ironic isn't it?

I'm still waiting.

Please get this through your head, people don't need to see the whole movie to see if they'll like it or not

You always do this when people don't agree with you

[The Night Mammoth]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. In Arrival he is already done with that. He has no more important things to do.

You can complete Arrival any time after Horizon

2.Yes, they do. Shepard has the entire report from Virmire, reaper artifacts found in ME1 AND me2, and the dead reaper on that info. Shepard even ask about the issues of indoctrination of the artifact before going to the project.
They all clearly know.

None of which confirms this Reaper artifact is going to indoctrinate people, or means that in the event that it does Shepard can take steps to prevent it. 

You also ignored every other point I made, which is telling, and typical of you, might I add. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 21 décembre 2012 - 11:08 .

[katamuro]

On about 12 min time its bad, very bad, Disappointing. But I still dont hate it.

[Peranor]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And I asked before to prove it.Which you yet to do.

Again, this is you calling me a liar.  And you have yet to prove you watched the whole thing, so get over yourself.  I don't owe you any proof of anything.  I watched enough of it (at least ten minutes) to know I didn't like it.  You prove that I didn't.  And stop calling me a liar.  And remember that you keep complaining about hate for inanimate things with no feelings-games and movies, but you show some hate for real people who do have feelings and lives and cares and concerns.  Hate for people trumps hate for games and movies every time.

I'm being as fair to you as anyone who has not watch the movie and hates it any way is being fair to it...Ironic isn't it?

I'm still waiting.

Please get this through your head, people don't need to see the whole movie to see if they'll like it or not

You always do this when people don't agree with you

Yeah. I really dislike the poor quality animations and art style. It's not like I have to watch the movie to see that.

[The Spamming Troll]

dreman9999 wrote...

No.

[dreman9999]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. In Arrival he is already done with that. He has no more important things to do.

You can complete Arrival any time after Horizon

2.Yes, they do. Shepard has the entire report from Virmire, reaper artifacts found in ME1 AND me2, and the dead reaper on that info. Shepard even ask about the issues of indoctrination of the artifact before going to the project.
They all clearly know.

None of which confirms this Reaper artifact is going to indoctrinate people, or means that in the event that it does Shepard can take steps to prevent it. 

You also ignored every other point I made, which is telling, and typical of you, might I add. 

1.The general lore has it stated to be after the collector missions.
2.We have all of me1 and 2 that proves you wrong.