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[dreman9999]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This is just as bad, but because it's a movie and not a book, the errors aren't as focused on.

If it was a book and it said crap like "The Alliance dreadnaughts tied cables around Soveriegn's corpse and effortlessly hauled the Reaper vessel away from the Citadel that orbits the planet." I'm sure people would focus on it more.

It's lazy and bad. I'm a firm believer of "if you're going to do something, do it right." So I can't get behind this.... thing.

Also, doesn't Vega become an N7 at the end? Well that *totally* doesn't contradict the game.

Please. it's not an issue. It does not make the movie bad and we can just work out the errors as non cannon any way. This is nothing compared to what  Deception had. There is no need for blind hate.

You don't even know what blind hate is.

I'm sure the sentiment of Vega's story might be interesting, but that doesn't make the story good either.

It's not an issue ... To you. The terms in which these plot holes affect the overall validity of the story is completely subjective. But more often than not, something with so many plot holes and down right errors/inconsistencies isn't going to be taken seriously by most fans.

And yes, it IS as bad as Deception. At least with Deception you had to understand different alien cultures and feuds to get some of the plot holes. With Paragon Lost, all you have to do is play the trilogy through once to understand how wrong it is.

Deception contradicts what we've learnt from Mass Effect lore.

Paragon Lost contradicts what we *see* in Mass Effect lore.

Ofcouse I know was hate is.. Hate is to go on the same forum for nearly a year of agame you upset about to critizes it every day... Add, you hate it without watching it at all.

No, it's no where near as bad as deception....Why? It had over 300 errors with the lore. Your issue with PL  is with just 2 errors which can easily be ignored.

Modifié par dreman9999, 20 décembre 2012 - 01:13 .

[redhood7]

I liked the movie I thought it was good. It was a bit slow to start with but it got better later on. It did have some lore issues but they were not major or that relevant to the plot so they are really not important. I like that they went with vega as he did not seem to have much chracter growth during ME3.

Modifié par redhood7, 20 décembre 2012 - 03:46 .

[Bill Casey]

AresKeith, he is correct in your case...

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I like how Dreman pins everything on blind hate

Your clearly are a prime example being that you some how are still commenting on something you have no intrest in.

Your title asks what I think of Paragon Lost, I think of it as Deception the movie

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Earth was not the alliances seat of power. Arcturus station is.
2.Sovereign being shown is not in the first 2 minutes not are any plot holes in the first 2 minutes.

3.The anime never said the citadel isthe alliance seat of power. And the Alliance is part ofthecouncil.

4. It's not an issue. It does not make the movie bad and we can just work out the errors as non cannon any way. This is nothing compared to what  Deception had. There is no need for blind hate.

It is insinuated that the Citadel is the Alliance's seat of power.

Also, "2 minutes in" is an expression. Congratulations on twisting my words though.

Not an issue? So an apparently canon piece of story is riddled with inconsistencies and its a non issue? Are you retarded? I haven't seen all 84 minutes yet, but I'm fully certain I will find more holes.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Earth was not the alliances seat of power. Arcturus station is.
2.Sovereign being shown is not in the first 2 minutes not are any plot holes in the first 2 minutes.

3.The anime never said the citadel isthe alliance seat of power. And the Alliance is part ofthecouncil.

4. It's not an issue. It does not make the movie bad and we can just work out the errors as non cannon any way. This is nothing compared to what  Deception had. There is no need for blind hate.

It is insinuated that the Citadel is the Alliance's seat of power.

Also, "2 minutes in" is an expression. Congratulations on twisting my words though.

Not an issue? So an apparently canon piece of story is riddled with inconsistencies and its a non issue? Are you retarded? I haven't seen all 84 minutes yet, but I'm fully certain I will find more holes.

1. No it did not. It did not insinuate anything.
2. Your going to play the "EXPRESSION " card. Please. The fact that your embellishing here is not an issue?

3.So we can just ignore those 2 inconsistance and enjoy the rest of the plot?

Modifié par dreman9999, 20 décembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I like how Dreman pins everything on blind hate

Your clearly are a prime example being that you some how are still commenting on something you have no intrest in.

Your title asks what I think of Paragon Lost, I think of it as Deception the movie

Says the guy who never watched it. Added, the question is to those who watched it.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. No it did not. It did not insinuate anything.
2. Your going to play the "EXPRESSION " card. Please. The fact that your enbelising here is not an issue?

3.So we can just ignore those 2 inconsistance and enjoy the rest of the plot?

Have you actually watched PL?

Enbelising? What? Is that English? "Card"? I guess if that's what you always say to somebody using a phrase you're not familiar with.

[Jadebaby]

dreman9999 wrote...
Ofcouse I know was hate is.. Hate is togo onthe same forum of agame you upset aboutto critizes itevery day... Add, you hate it with out watching it at all.

Incorrect on both,  firstly, it's called concern, not hate. If something you love is drowning, you're not going to just hate on the water. You're going to be concerned and try your very best to make sure it doesn't happen again. My presence on these forums is to help BioWare learn how to swim. And that's the only power and right we have as consumers.

Also, I have seen portions of it. From what I did see, I didn't like it, it only added weights onto BioWare's floaties. So why would I pay for the full version?

No, it's no where nearas bad as deception....Why? It had over 300 errors with the lore. Your issue with PGL with just 2 errors which can easily be ignored.

You obviously can't count.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. No it did not. It did not insinuate anything.
2. Your going to play the "EXPRESSION " card. Please. The fact that your enbelising here is not an issue?

3.So we can just ignore those 2 inconsistance and enjoy the rest of the plot?

Have you actually watched PL?

Enbelising? What? Is that English? "Card"? I guess if that's what you always say to somebody using a phrase you're not familiar with.

1.I already correted my spelling if you have the time to look.
2.My issue is not about not hearing the expression before, which I have heard it before, my issue is that youtrying to use the expression card to back peddle on what you said.
2. You clearly did not read my op if your asking this question.

Modifié par dreman9999, 20 décembre 2012 - 01:27 .

[dreman9999]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Ofcouse I know was hate is.. Hate is togo onthe same forum of agame you upset aboutto critizes itevery day... Add, you hate it with out watching it at all.

Incorrect on both,  firstly, it's called concern, not hate. If something you love is drowning, you're not going to just hate on the water. You're going to be concerned and try your very best to make sure it doesn't happen again. My presence on these forums is to help BioWare learn how to swim. And that's the only power and right we have as consumers.

Also, I have seen portions of it. From what I did see, I didn't like it, it only added weights onto BioWare's floaties. So why would I pay for the full version?

No, it's no where nearas bad as deception....Why? It had over 300 errors with the lore. Your issue with PGL with just 2 errors which can easily be ignored.

You obviously can't count.

1.Coming to a forum every day to complain is not helping.

2.Read it agein. I did not say they were just 2 lore errors, I said your major issue is with 2 lore errors.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I like how Dreman pins everything on blind hate

Your clearly are a prime example being that you some how are still commenting on something you have no intrest in.

Your title asks what I think of Paragon Lost, I think of it as Deception the movie

Says the guy who never watched it. Added, the question is to those who watched it.

And from the clip and portions of what I saw from it, I don't want to see it and those clips are the reason people even started pointing out the issues

[o Ventus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If something you love is drowning, you're not going to just hate on the water.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I like how Dreman pins everything on blind hate

Your clearly are a prime example being that you some how are still commenting on something you have no intrest in.

Your title asks what I think of Paragon Lost, I think of it as Deception the movie

Says the guy who never watched it. Added, the question is to those who watched it.

And from the clip and portions of what I saw from it, I don't want to see it and those clips are the reason people even started pointing out the issues

Ok then...You clearly did not read my op if your still commenting then because based on what I wrote.....

"It will be out on hard copy later this month. It may not have the best animation and has some miss steps in the lore, but it's still a good movie with a hard edged ending.I want to see what the general consensus of it with those who seen it. So bsn, what do you think of it?"

....The topic is not asking you people who have not seen it what you think.

[TheProtheans]

It actually has a good amount of seeders.

And I thought no one would bother.
I'll watch it.

[Jadebaby]

dreman9999 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Ofcouse I know was hate is.. Hate is togo onthe same forum of agame you upset aboutto critizes itevery day... Add, you hate it with out watching it at all.

Incorrect on both,  firstly, it's called concern, not hate. If something you love is drowning, you're not going to just hate on the water. You're going to be concerned and try your very best to make sure it doesn't happen again. My presence on these forums is to help BioWare learn how to swim. And that's the only power and right we have as consumers.

Also, I have seen portions of it. From what I did see, I didn't like it, it only added weights onto BioWare's floaties. So why would I pay for the full version?

No, it's no where nearas bad as deception....Why? It had over 300 errors with the lore. Your issue with PGL with just 2 errors which can easily be ignored.

You obviously can't count.

1.Coming to a forum every day to complain is not helping.

2.Read it agein. I did not say they were just 2 lore errors, I said your major issue is with 2 lore errors.

1. Logical Fallacy. Argument born of ignorance. That's not what I do at all.

2. Again, you obviously can't count.

[Jadebaby]

o Ventus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If something you love is drowning, you're not going to just hate on the water.

I died.

[fiendishchicken]

Garbage, and that's without looking at the thing.

Pretty much retcons everything in ME2 (again) and screws up the story and lore like no other (again).

[dreman9999]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Garbage, and that's without looking at the thing.

Pretty much retcons everything in ME2 (again) and screws up the story and lore like no other (again).

"It will be out on hard copy later this month. It may not have the best animation and has some miss steps in the lore, but it's still a good movie with a hard edged ending.I want to see what the general consensus of it with those who seen it. So bsn, what do you think of it?"


Just if you seem to be having problems comprehending the op.

Added, it does not retcon the mission in ME2. This is what James tells you what happen with him in ME3.

Modifié par dreman9999, 20 décembre 2012 - 01:37 .

[Dr. Doctor]

It's not awful but there's no real reason why you'd want to watch it unless you're a Vega fan. I don't get why a character who got such a lukewarm response gets two comics and a movie.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Deception the movie

Please, it's not even cloesto having that much errors.

Since when did the idea that a movie isn't the worst you've seen or that it isn't completely full of errors and crap, mean it's good?

The bits I've been able to look at are horrible and hearing about the mistakes in lore in it, it seems that it must come from the minds that gave us the endings.  Can't be bothered to remember the story?  Write a book, write a movie (poorly done cartoon) screenplay, and by all means, write the endings to that story.  Quality.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Why would I want to watch it, if I was never interested in it from the beginning

Why go into a topic about a moive to give a bad comment on a movie you have no interest in?

There plenty of movies and shows I have no interest in and I doing go out of my way to make harsh comments about them in random topics.

Because he has the freedom to do so and why are you so upset about it-you have done the same thing repeatedly.  Everyone appears to be free to go where they are not welcome and since you've done it, stop complaining when others do it too.

The movie looks awful, is about a character that should have had more exposition in the game.  The movie (juvenile, low production value, light on lore cartoon) features an attempt to explain things that should have been in the game, but are not.  The fact that the books and comics are all used by people (including you OP) as well-known lore to support their position on things speaks to AresKeith's point.  External products related to this game (including twitter) are used as if they are in game fact.  And if no one is actively assuring the quality of the product that has their own IP's name on it, then it shows they couldn't care less about this creation of theirs and how it's perceived or presented.  They might as well create toilets with the Mass Effect logo on it that features Shepard saying "I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite place to take a dump...gurgle, gurgle".

And once again you confuse hate (actually it's more like revulsion and disgust) of an inanimate object with no feelings with something really destructive, the nasty treatment that shows contempt for real people.  The two are not equal.  And before you say it's because people are heaping hate on BW-no, actually people are responding with disgust and with some awe and wonder that people at BW could show so little care and concern for products they put their name on, products that are their face to the world, products that if they were some form of art or creativity would be like their babies.  Real artists care about stuff their name goes on-and creative people often do feel like their projects are their babies.  Paragon Lost doesn't look like anyone cared that much about it.  And Casey Hudson thought Deception was really good.  Again, proof that they don't care.

[Deadpool9]

Top 3 Pluses:
-Decision-making was integrated successfully--Spare the Krogan or don't spare the Krogan? Free the Krogan or don't free the Krogan? Save the colonists or save the Asari LI with the valuable intel?
-Vega had some pathos and didn't come off as a total meathead
-Interesting structure of the ending, which was appropriately devastating

Minuses:
-Animation style
-Lore issues were irritating, as in all video game movies directed and/or written by non-fanboys. By the way, super giant collector general?
-The ending decision was ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of ME3. Suprise, surprise.

Top 3 Meh:
-Vega's squad mates, who were just as vanilla as the ones in EA's Dead Space: Downfall animation.
-The action
-Cerberus twist

Modifié par Deadpool9, 20 décembre 2012 - 04:07 .

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Why would I want to watch it, if I was never interested in it from the beginning

Why go into a topic about a moive to give a bad comment on a movie you have no interest in?

There plenty of movies and shows I have no interest in and I doing go out of my way to make harsh comments about them in random topics.

Because he has the freedom to do so and why are you so upset about it-you have done the same thing repeatedly.  Everyone appears to be free to go where they are not welcome and since you've done it, stop complaining when others do it too.

The movie looks awful, is about a character that should have had more exposition in the game.  The movie (juvenile, low production value, light on lore cartoon) features an attempt to explain things that should have been in the game, but are not.  The fact that the books and comics are all used by people (including you OP) as well-known lore to support their position on things speaks to AresKeith's point.  External products related to this game (including twitter) are used as if they are in game fact.  And if no one is actively assuring the quality of the product that has their own IP's name on it, then it shows they couldn't care less about this creation of theirs and how it's perceived or presented.  They might as well create toilets with the Mass Effect logo on it that features Shepard saying "I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite place to take a dump...gurgle, gurgle".

And once again you confuse hate (actually it's more like revulsion and disgust) of an inanimate object with no feelings with something really destructive, the nasty treatment that shows contempt for real people.  The two are not equal.  And before you say it's because people are heaping hate on BW-no, actually people are responding with disgust and with some awe and wonder that people at BW could show so little care and concern for products they put their name on, products that are their face to the world, products that if they were some form of art or creativity would be like their babies.  Real artists care about stuff their name goes on-and creative people often do feel like their projects are their babies.  Paragon Lost doesn't look like anyone cared that much about it.  And Casey Hudson thought Deception was really good.  Again, proof that they don't care.

The fact that you made a postthis long means there is hate.

[4ut0b4hn5child27]

I can't wait it.

I don't care for the animation or character design style. As long as this story still have connection to ME Universe I WILL WATCH IT!!!1