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[ShadowAMD]

 A lot of unexplained things and a lot of time spent on DA / DAO and DA2..

After all that time and commitment with characters, would it put you off the game to simply remove Hawke and Warden and not tie up the loose ends?

[thebigbad1013]

Heck yes I would still buy it! Considering that Dragon Age is not a trilogy, there is no reason why every single plot should be resolved in DA3.

[PinkDiamondstl]

That would be total deal breaker if Hawke and Warden were not involved .Why even call it DA3?

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 20 décembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[ShadowAMD]

bigbad1013 wrote...

Heck yes I would still buy it! Considering that Dragon Age is not a trilogy, there is no reason why every single plot should be resolved in DA3.

It might just be me, but I wouldn't want to wait another 3- 5 years to find out what happens to them..

[ShadowAMD]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

That would be total deal breaker if Hawke and Warden were not involved .Why even call it DA3?

Agreed That being said, I still always like Bioware titles compared to other vendors.

Modifié par ShadowAMD, 20 décembre 2012 - 08:13 .

[JamieCOTC]

The word closure is kind of loaded around here as both the Warden and Hawke's stories are over. While DA:O gave great closure to the story, Awakening and Witch Hunt felt lacking for a Dark Ritual Warden. I won't even go into DA2's ending. However, sticking in a cameo of the Warden and Hawke just to tie up loose ends is an accident waiting to happen. It has to be meaningful to the story and that's not going to be easy to do, especially w/. the Warden. I'm still on the fence for buying DA3 anyway, but including or excluding past protagonists isn't a deal breaker.

[thats1evildude]

"Tie the plot"?

I'd like to know if Hawke and the Warden disappeared for a specific reason or if they just wanted to drop out of the public eye, but I fear the only way to end their respective stories is to kill them.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 20 décembre 2012 - 08:16 .

[PinkDiamondstl]

JamieCOTC wrote...

The word closure is kind of loaded around here as both the Warden and Hawke's stories are over. While DA:O gave great closure to the story, Awakening and Witch Hunt felt lacking for a Dark Ritual Warden. I won't even go into DA2's ending. However, sticking in a cameo of the Warden and Hawke just to tie up loose ends is an accident waiting to happen. It has to be meaningful to the story and that's not going to be easy to do, especially w/. the Warden. I'm still on the fence for buying DA3 anyway, but including or excluding past protagonists isn't a deal breaker.

I beg to differ.<_<

[ShadowAMD]

JamieCOTC wrote...

The word closure is kind of loaded around here as both the Warden and Hawke's stories are over. While DA:O gave great closure to the story, Awakening and Witch Hunt felt lacking for a Dark Ritual Warden. I won't even go into DA2's ending. However, sticking in a cameo of the Warden and Hawke just to tie up loose ends is an accident waiting to happen. It has to be meaningful to the story and that's not going to be easy to do, especially w/. the Warden. I'm still on the fence for buying DA3 anyway, but including or excluding past protagonists isn't a deal breaker.

Well Morrigan and the Warden run off together and disappear, Hawke just pretty much disappears.. Which is fine for a couple of seperate chapters setting the ground running. Then for nothing to come out of it, or at least progress the story with the original characters that you spent a decent amount of time progressing. It would kind of invalidate the first two games, the protagonist is generally the heart of a game. 

Even if everything doesn't get answered until DA4, that's fine in my eyes.. But I don't see the point in reverse pseudo plot destruction.

What about the Arch Demon baby?
What about the actual disappearence of Hawke? 
I can see why the Warden left, settle down.. Get out of the limelight an all that. But you never stop being a warden, you die eventually?
What about the new intelligent Darkspawn and the architect?

I could list many more.

Modifié par ShadowAMD, 20 décembre 2012 - 08:23 .

[lil yonce]

bigbad1013 wrote...

Heck yes I would still buy it! Considering that Dragon Age is not a trilogy, there is no reason why every single plot should be resolved in DA3.

[LobselVith8]

ShadowAMD wrote...

 A lot of unexplained things and a lot of time spent on DA / DAO and DA2..

After all that time and commitment with characters, would it put you off the game to simply remove Hawke and Warden and not tie up the loose ends? 

I think other factors play more of an issue into whether I'll purchase Inquisition. I'm going to wait and see how the reviews are from other players - if the protagonist has any agency, if the plot heavily railroads the main character, if choices matter this time, if the player has the opportunity to genuinely shape who the protagonist is instead of being given Bioware's character. I haven't been too pleased with what I've heard so far, but I really enjoyed Origins, athough I was less than pleased with Dragon Age II.

Isn't pro-mage Hawke supposed to have the opportunity to become a leader to the mages, given the dialogue with Anders? My Surana Warden left with Morrigan (and their Mabari Hound) into the Eluvian, to create a life with her and their son. If Inquisition discarded that choice, I'd probably be less inclined to purchase it.

[ShadowAMD]

LobselVith8 wrote...

ShadowAMD wrote...

 A lot of unexplained things and a lot of time spent on DA / DAO and DA2..

After all that time and commitment with characters, would it put you off the game to simply remove Hawke and Warden and not tie up the loose ends? 

I think other factors play more of an issue into whether I'll purchase Inquisition. I'm going to wait and see how the reviews are from other players - if the protagonist has any agency, if the plot heavily railroads the main character, if choices matter this time, if the player has the opportunity to genuinely shape who the protagonist is instead of being given Bioware's character. I haven't been too pleased with what I've heard so far, but I really enjoyed Origins, athough I was less than pleased with Dragon Age II.

Isn't pro-mage Hawke supposed to have the opportunity to become a leader to the mages, given the dialogue with Anders? My Surana Warden left with Morrigan (and their Mabari Hound) into the Eluvian, to create a life with her and their son. If Inquisition discarded that choice, I'd probably be less inclined to purchase it.

That baby is a mystery and either a curse or a saviour.. I'd like to know what's going to come of that. Although the choices affect the game and give more comfortable leeway than a linear product. Is it not a story we are being a part of?

[ShadowAMD]

Interesting

Modifié par ShadowAMD, 20 décembre 2012 - 08:29 .

[Emzamination]

My warden is queen of ferelden and with this whole thing involving orlais wanting to take back their lost providence, my warrior queen better dam well be out on the front lines defending her home.

Modifié par Emzamination, 20 décembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[NoForgiveness]

this disappearing thing is.. odd. but ill definatly buy da3 either way. but i seriously hope their going somewhere with it. not just their disappearing because they were PCs and thats it their not coming back

[JamieCOTC]

ShadowAMD wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

The word closure is kind of loaded around here as both the Warden and Hawke's stories are over. While DA:O gave great closure to the story, Awakening and Witch Hunt felt lacking for a Dark Ritual Warden. I won't even go into DA2's ending. However, sticking in a cameo of the Warden and Hawke just to tie up loose ends is an accident waiting to happen. It has to be meaningful to the story and that's not going to be easy to do, especially w/. the Warden. I'm still on the fence for buying DA3 anyway, but including or excluding past protagonists isn't a deal breaker.

Well Morrigan and the Warden run off together and disappear, Hawke just pretty much disappears.. Which is fine for a couple of seperate chapters setting the ground running. Then for nothing to come out of it, or at least progress the story with the original characters that you spent a decent amount of time progressing. It would kind of invalidate the first two games, the protagonist is generally the heart of a game. 

Even if everything doesn't get answered until DA4, that's fine in my eyes.. But I don't see the point in reverse pseudo plot destruction.

What about the Arch Demon baby?
What about the actual disappearence of Hawke? 
I can see why the Warden left, settle down.. Get out of the limelight an all that. But you never stop being a warden, you die eventually?
What about the new intelligent Darkspawn and the architect?

I could list many more.

I’m really playing devil’s advocate here. I’d love it if the Warden and Hawke would become the set piece for a couple of chapters, but it ain’t gonna happen. The DA team gets how much we love these characters, but the writings been on the wall since ME2. Anything having to do w/ previous decisions in previous games will only be added for flavor and nothing more. For one, potential new gamers won’t give two sh*ts about the Warden and Hawke and the game has to appeal to them too, maybe even more so. With a new engine it will be impossible to recreate the Warden (and probably Hawke) to the fans’ expectations. And unless the a great deal of the game is about trying to find the Warden and Hawke (which admittedly isn’t beyond the realm of possibility) they will be limited to cameos if that. And many of those plots you mentioned can be tied up w/ a sprinkle of flavor.

My guess is that we will get something of the Warden and Hawke, possibly even more than what we got in DA2, but I don’t expect either of them to show up or get “closure.”

[ShadowAMD]

MR_PN wrote...

this disappearing thing is.. odd. but ill definatly buy da3 either way. but i seriously hope their going somewhere with it. not just their disappearing because they were PCs and thats it their not coming back

Exactly, Why did you disappear Hawke? Cause I wanted to.. Duh!

Warden why did you disappear? Well I want after Morrigan and she was all preggers an crap, so I settled down in a nice little country house an ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup that wasn't a waste of time playing the first too LOL!..

[wolfsite]

Honestly if it appears it could hurt the story/gameplay elements of DA3 by trying to put in references to Hawke or the Warden then I have no problem if they were dropped.  Having something that feels shoe horned into an experience can detract from the whole.

[freche]

I'd expect that there will be mentions of Hawke and eventually also why (s)he left Kirkwall.

I couldn't care less about the warden and considering the amount of endings the warden could have i I wouldn't expect too much even if I did care.

Regardless this is not something that will decide if I buy DA3 or not.
I'm almost sure I will buy it even without knowing anything about it yet. But the biggest deciding factor will however probably be how gameplay looks like.

ShadowAMD wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

this disappearing thing is.. odd. but ill definatly buy da3 either way. but i seriously hope their going somewhere with it. not just their disappearing because they were PCs and thats it their not coming back

Exactly, Why did you disappear Hawke? Cause I wanted to.. Duh!

Warden why did you disappear? Well I want after Morrigan and she was all preggers an crap, so I settled down in a nice little country house an ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup that wasn't a waste of time playing the first too LOL!..

Why did you play the first game then, if you think it would have been a waste of time.

Modifié par freche, 20 décembre 2012 - 08:52 .

[NoForgiveness]

ShadowAMD wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

this disappearing thing is.. odd. but ill definatly buy da3 either way. but i seriously hope their going somewhere with it. not just their disappearing because they were PCs and thats it their not coming back

Exactly, Why did you disappear Hawke? Cause I wanted to.. Duh!

Warden why did you disappear? Well I want after Morrigan and she was all preggers an crap, so I settled down in a nice little country house an ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup that wasn't a waste of time playing the first too LOL!..

lmao that would be my worst fear for this storyline though im fairly sure they have something up their sleeve

[ShadowAMD]

JamieCOTC wrote...

ShadowAMD wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

The word closure is kind of loaded around here as both the Warden and Hawke's stories are over. While DA:O gave great closure to the story, Awakening and Witch Hunt felt lacking for a Dark Ritual Warden. I won't even go into DA2's ending. However, sticking in a cameo of the Warden and Hawke just to tie up loose ends is an accident waiting to happen. It has to be meaningful to the story and that's not going to be easy to do, especially w/. the Warden. I'm still on the fence for buying DA3 anyway, but including or excluding past protagonists isn't a deal breaker.

Well Morrigan and the Warden run off together and disappear, Hawke just pretty much disappears.. Which is fine for a couple of seperate chapters setting the ground running. Then for nothing to come out of it, or at least progress the story with the original characters that you spent a decent amount of time progressing. It would kind of invalidate the first two games, the protagonist is generally the heart of a game. 

Even if everything doesn't get answered until DA4, that's fine in my eyes.. But I don't see the point in reverse pseudo plot destruction.

What about the Arch Demon baby?
What about the actual disappearence of Hawke? 
I can see why the Warden left, settle down.. Get out of the limelight an all that. But you never stop being a warden, you die eventually?
What about the new intelligent Darkspawn and the architect?

I could list many more.

I’m really playing devil’s advocate here. I’d love it if the Warden and Hawke would become the set piece for a couple of chapters, but it ain’t gonna happen. The DA team gets how much we love these characters, but the writings been on the wall since ME2. Anything having to do w/ previous decisions in previous games will only be added for flavor and nothing more. For one, potential new gamers won’t give two sh*ts about the Warden and Hawke and the game has to appeal to them too, maybe even more so. With a new engine it will be impossible to recreate the Warden (and probably Hawke) to the fans’ expectations. And unless the a great deal of the game is about trying to find the Warden and Hawke (which admittedly isn’t beyond the realm of possibility) they will be limited to cameos if that. And many of those plots you mentioned can be tied up w/ a sprinkle of flavor.

My guess is that we will get something of the Warden and Hawke, possibly even more than what we got in DA2, but I don’t expect either of them to show up or get “closure.”

I like debating this stuff out, it can be useful for everyone. So play away please


The new players side of thing, won't be a majority of the fan base.. Mainly people take a risk with a new series and it starts the outset from there. I'm not saying there won't be many new gamers in the DA universe, but generally the reason it continued into a sequel is because the first one raised a decent amount of interest from the first generation players IMO.

I'm not saying that making personal characters somewhat resemble what they did in the old engine will pose no challange. Although I don't see it being a major concern either, just like ME1 - 3...

I'm actually surprised they didn't go for the Unreal 4 engine? But that's another topic.

It's not really the money of games that concern, it's the amount of time you play to achieve whatever a person wants out of a game. Just to drastically change it for reasons unknown seems a little silly, I could imagine some backlash from completley ignoring the Warden and Hawke.

[thebigbad1013]

ShadowAMD wrote...

Exactly, Why did you disappear Hawke? Cause I wanted to.. Duh!

Warden why did you disappear? Well I want after Morrigan and she was all preggers an crap, so I settled down in a nice little country house an ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup that wasn't a waste of time playing the first too LOL!..

So...what you want is basically an endless "then what happened?" scenario? Remember that Dragon Age was always supposed to have a different protagonist in every game and never supposed to be an ongoing story about the Warden.

[ShadowAMD]

MR_PN wrote...

ShadowAMD wrote...

MR_PN wrote...

this disappearing thing is.. odd. but ill definatly buy da3 either way. but i seriously hope their going somewhere with it. not just their disappearing because they were PCs and thats it their not coming back

Exactly, Why did you disappear Hawke? Cause I wanted to.. Duh!

Warden why did you disappear? Well I want after Morrigan and she was all preggers an crap, so I settled down in a nice little country house an ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup that wasn't a waste of time playing the first too LOL!..

lmao that would be my worst fear for this storyline though im fairly sure they have something up their sleeve

Lol I suspect they will do, but there are rumours flying.

Modifié par ShadowAMD, 20 décembre 2012 - 08:57 .

[ShadowAMD]

bigbad1013 wrote...

ShadowAMD wrote...

Exactly, Why did you disappear Hawke? Cause I wanted to.. Duh!

Warden why did you disappear? Well I want after Morrigan and she was all preggers an crap, so I settled down in a nice little country house an ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yup that wasn't a waste of time playing the first too LOL!..

So...what you want is basically an endless "then what happened?" scenario? Remember that Dragon Age was always supposed to have a different protagonist in every game and never supposed to be an ongoing story about the Warden.

Well yeah, how would you feel if you watched a 40 hour movie which ended on a bit of a cliff hanger? You get to the next part and it has no damn relevance to the first one..

Call me crazy, but I'd be pretty miffed.

It doesn't have to be playable characters, it doesn't have to revolve around DA3.. But if you start a story finish the damn thing.. I'll put up half a table for you.. I'll give you half a car? Some logic is missing somewhere.

Modifié par ShadowAMD, 20 décembre 2012 - 09:04 .