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[PsychoBlonde]

 I don't really consider there to be any significant "loose ends".  More like potential future plot threads, which may or may not get used.  I do hope they don't jump the shark in the sense of inventing a bunch of totally new **** that they've not even hinted at while simultaneously completely abandoning the old ****, but that doesn't mean I expect them to dwell on Hawke and The Warden like they're the Most Important People In the History of the Universe.

From hearing the devs talk on the forums, they have a lot more grip on many details than they did when Origins was in production.  So I expect things to be pretty cool going forward.

[ScarMK]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd consider it a plus if we never heard about them again.

[Artemis_Entrari]

As long as DA3 recognized the events of both DA:O and DA2, and the Warden/Hawke's actions in them, then I'm fine.  I'd *like* to see various plot points tied up, but I'm okay with them not doing so as long as the major events are carried forward.

[Twisted Path]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd consider it a plus if we never heard about them again.

Same here. Please let my PCs retire in peace.

Also I watched the ending of DA2 recently and found the sequal-hook atempt kind of funny. They say that Hawke and "The Warden" have disapeared. And it can't be a coincidence. I know what we're supposed to think but which Warden are they even talking about? Couldn't it be Bethany? Alistair? Stroud? That balding crazy guy from Legacy? Nathaniel Howe?

Maybe she's talking about Sigrun. In my playthrough of Awakenings she got depressed after I spared the Architect and eventually dispeared. Velanna also disapeared during the big battle, but that was a long time before the events of DA2.

It was just really weird wording. I know we're supposed to think of OUR Grey Warden when she says it but uh....there are lots of Grey Wardens, what with them being a contenant-spanning order and all.

[XX-Pyro]

Icesong wrote...

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berelinde wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, there are no loose ends for either Hawke or the Warden. The Warden is off doing what Wardens do. My Hawke is off with Anders doing subversive things with mages. I don't mean to be dismissive toward characters I spent months building, but I'm kinda ready for someone new.

If The Warden is off doing what Wardens do, assuming everyone's Warden would want to be doing that, why wouldn't Leliana know about that, especially if she was the LI?

They still went their separate ways, and I don't think they have cell phones to communicate with in Thedas.

I thought this made sense at first but was still wrong, but now that I've thought of several ways to refute it I realize it makes no sense at all.

Several ways which you left out of your post...? Care to elaborate on those several ways? They moved on with their lives but still hold each other dear (at least, on Leliana's end.) It's quite clear they never settled down together, Leliana's letter to the Warden at the beginning of DA:A shows that quite clearly. Furthermore, you can hold people dear without being with them every step of the way. The Warden chose his path, Leliana chose hers; despite that they still care about each other.

[rapscallioness]

I'm buying DA3.

However, I'm torn on this issue. On the one hand I would I want a completely new PC and companions. That's always fun.

Other hand...I wanna finish Hawke's story. Or better yet, start Hawke's story after that rather elaborate Origin story Hawke had. If I had my way, the Warden, Hawke and a new character would be available to play as PC.

Plz, I know. I know!

As far as the disappearance stuff, I feel like, you know, hey--they brought it up. I didn't bring it up. Bw did. If you're gonna throw that in there all unnecessary like, then do something with it.

The OGB is really one of the most interesting story threads there. It seems like a pretty big deal to me. But that I could see more as a DA4 thing.

Regardless, I'm looking fwd to meeting sum new characters, and falling in love, or hate with them. Lol. I can't wait to see this FB2 engine in action. So, no dealbreaker

[Plaintiff]

Filament wrote...

Of course I would. The plots of Hawke and the Warden are already tied up well and good. The whole plotline about their disappearance (and implication of their reappearance) feels wholly contrived and unnecessary.

This is exactly how I feel. It would've been better to just leave it be.

[Nefla]

Extensive player reviews and watching bits on YouTube is what will determine if I will buy DA3 or not.

[ShadowAMD]

Plaintiff wrote...

Filament wrote...

Of course I would. The plots of Hawke and the Warden are already tied up well and good. The whole plotline about their disappearance (and implication of their reappearance) feels wholly contrived and unnecessary.

This is exactly how I feel. It would've been better to just leave it be.

Well then, please explain what happens after DA:A and DA2 then?

Modifié par ShadowAMD, 21 décembre 2012 - 12:56 .

[d4eaming]

I'll be buying DA3, perhaps the day it comes out, who knows. I am not going to let someone else decide for me whether or not I'll enjoy the game- I'll play it myself and make up my own mind. There's far, FAR too many instances of people telling me "this game sucks/this movie sucks/this show sucks" that I actually liked, so I don't really care about anyone's  but mine opinion on DA3.

My Warden is enjoying his off time with Zevran. They're living pretty easy, as far as I'm concerned. The slide said that Zevran stayed with my Warden "for a time." Sod that, Thiallys went with him when he left, I don't care what the slide said. He keeps in contact with Alistair because they are good friends, but he's keeping a low profile. He did what he needed to do- save the world. He's Dalish, he doesn't care about the humans and their issues, he cares about city and Dalish elves and getting their lands back. The Mage/Templar war is an inconvenience to him, that's all. Not to mention that Duncan had to drag him away from his clan kicking and screaming. He hates being a warden.

My Hawke is likewise off galavanting with Fenris. His entire family is dead, he was sick of Kirkwall and all the bad memories it conjures, so he said screw it and left, even though he was the viscount for a while. His opinion of the city isn't very good, and he wants nothing to do with that place that holds almost nothing but bad memories. Moving on and enjoying the sights with Fenris, maybe helping free slaves and help elves along the way. He probably feels bad about the war, but that was hardly his fault. Stupid Anders blew up the chantry- Jordhan supported the templars, though he was kind to mages and doesn't agree with the circle. But still, crazy s--- went down and he wants nothing to do with it.

So, neither of my characters care one wit about what's going on. They are tired of being in the limelight, they want to settle down and enjoy their lives. I can imagine them deliberately hiding who they are so people will leave them alone.

Modifié par d4eaming, 21 décembre 2012 - 01:14 .

[Icesong]

XX-Pyro wrote...

Icesong wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

Icesong wrote...

berelinde wrote...

As far as I'm concerned, there are no loose ends for either Hawke or the Warden. The Warden is off doing what Wardens do. My Hawke is off with Anders doing subversive things with mages. I don't mean to be dismissive toward characters I spent months building, but I'm kinda ready for someone new.

If The Warden is off doing what Wardens do, assuming everyone's Warden would want to be doing that, why wouldn't Leliana know about that, especially if she was the LI?

They still went their separate ways, and I don't think they have cell phones to communicate with in Thedas.

I thought this made sense at first but was still wrong, but now that I've thought of several ways to refute it I realize it makes no sense at all.

Several ways which you left out of your post...? Care to elaborate on those several ways?

Would you accept "no" as answer? I'd hate anyone who said this, so forgive me, but they really become obvious the more you think about it. But...

They moved on with their lives but still hold each other dear (at least, on Leliana's end.) It's quite clear they never settled down together, Leliana's letter to the Warden at the beginning of DA:A shows that quite clearly. Furthermore, you can hold people dear without being with them every step of the way. The Warden chose his path, Leliana chose hers; despite that they still care about each other.

What you're saying here seems to be different from what I thought you were saying, which is that the Warden and Leliana were still together but are just apart for long periods of time. You don't have to be in domestic bliss to maintain a relationship. The room to believe they moved on is certainly there, of course; the trouble starts when you offer it up as an explanation for making sense of the vanishing line.

Modifié par Icesong, 21 décembre 2012 - 01:43 .

[Plaintiff]

ShadowAMD wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Filament wrote...

Of course I would. The plots of Hawke and the Warden are already tied up well and good. The whole plotline about their disappearance (and implication of their reappearance) feels wholly contrived and unnecessary.

This is exactly how I feel. It would've been better to just leave it be.

Well then, please explain what happens after DA:A and DA2 then?

Anything at all?  It doesn't matter, not everything needs to be connected to what came before. Dragon Age is not a single story, so there's no need to make it a big "omg conspiracy you guys!"

Modifié par Plaintiff, 21 décembre 2012 - 01:14 .

[Mark of the Dragon]

I think it should definitly be a big focus in DA3. I mean dont give us questions you do not plan on answering right? I think a lot of people feel the same. With that said I would still prolly buy it either way.

[Danny Boy 7]

I feel like "my" Warden's story is done, I felt closure and was completely content with moving onto Hawke. Yes I didn't know what happened to the Warden after he left with Morrigan but it was....another story like learning what happened to Legolas and Gimli after Return of the King, it'd be nice to hear about but irrelevant to when they were "important". They're not irrelevant just not noteworthy.

As for Hawke it still stings to know they cancelled an expansion which I imagine settled my Hawke's story fairly well, but even then I can sort of...push through it. Hawke is missing, doesn't have to involve DA3 or even the Warden however BW in my mind fell into the trap of expecting they'd be able to produce DLC to wrap up Hawke's story. I don't blame them but it's unfortunate because now Hawke being absent implies there are...I want to say foreshadowing because the word I'm thinking of escapes me.

In the end rapscallioness sums it up rather well how I feel about the disapearance "As far as the disappearance stuff, I feel like, you know, hey--they brought it up. I didn't bring it up. Bw did. If you're gonna throw that in there all unnecessary like, then do something with it."

So no it's not a deal breaker but needs to be addressed;

[berelinde]

Plaintiff wrote...

Filament wrote...

Of course I would. The plots of Hawke and the Warden are already tied up well and good. The whole plotline about their disappearance (and implication of their reappearance) feels wholly contrived and unnecessary.

This is exactly how I feel. It would've been better to just leave it be.

Exactly. Stories end, even if the people in them keep on living. The Warden and Hawke both went through a period when they helped shape world events, but now that shaping is being done by somebody else.

Can you imagine Zevran's cameo in DA14? He'll show off his collection of fishing lures. They don't have hooks. He just gets the fish where he wants them and skewers them with knives.

[henkez3]

I would yes. I want them to tie in the warden or atleast what he did in some way. I honestly care more about Hawke being tied in to the plot as he was labelled "the most important person in Thedas".

Modifié par henkez3, 21 décembre 2012 - 01:31 .

[The Elder King]

Don't care much about tying the plot with Hawke and the Warden. Not that I hate them, but unless the main plot of DA3 will be related to their disappearance, there's no reason for them to be central to the plot. And I highly doubt that the plot will be related to their missing.
Regardless, I don't understand posts that say "what would the point of calling it DA3?": With DA2, the Warden was only mentioned. He wasn't at all related to the plot.

[d4eaming]

To the folks going "why call it DA3?", it's called that because it's about the Dragon Age, a period of time within the world of Thedas, not about one person. This isn't Mass Effect, this is an exploration of the world instead of the life and heroics of an individual. I don't get why this is so difficult for people to grasp.

Modifié par d4eaming, 21 décembre 2012 - 01:43 .

[TK514]

DA 3 would only be better without a Warden or Hawke tie-in. It's not as though the Warden can be doing anything meaningful, anyhow, seeing as in a lot of folks' games, the Warden died killing the AD.

If there is any mention of a Warden or Hawke, it will most likely be in the form of gossip on the part of a returning side character. Someone might repeat a rumor that Hawke is living like a prince in Antiva, for example, or you might overhear a group talking about how the Lord of Vigil's Keep showed up at Weisshaupt before heading into the Deep Roads.

Anything more than that would be a waste of time and effort.

Modifié par TK514, 21 décembre 2012 - 01:47 .

[Zanallen]

OMG! What happens to Marty McFly after the end of Back the the Future III?! Major cliffhanger, folks.

[Conquerthecity]

My first concern is my Warden who romanced Morrigan. I'd really like to know where the two of them went after going through the mirror. Also, the status of the God Baby is pretty important. I'd be happy enough if those were addressed in a Morrigan cameo/appearance. Just as long as the romance isn't an afterthought. I don't want just some throw-away line like Leliana's in the Sebastian DLC. No need for the Warden himself to appear. 

It would be nice if the other romanced companions (Alistair and Leliana, in my case) also got more than a throw-away line about the Warden. But they don't have as many unanswered questions as Morrigan, so I'm more or less satisfied with how those stories turned out. 

As far as Hawke goes, I think he's done. The same hope applies to his romances, though. More than, "Oh, yeah, Hawke. I dunno where he is, but I miss him kinda. Here's a quest." 

So, yeah, as long as they get a meaningful reference, I'd be fine. 

[Lamepro]

I would still buy it just because I want to see what happens next I really want to be apart of the story playing my Character who I work so hard to make because it very much a RPG in away.

[Emzamination]

See... I don't quite understand why you guys are under the impression, you get to decide when the warden/hawke story is done. Bioware has assumed control  and they will do what they will with their wardens and hawkes. 

[reqent]

personally I would prefer that they briefly acknowledge the characters and move on. Hawke and the Warden have impacted Thedas enough that it would threaten my immersion if they were completely ignored but it would be just as jarring if they did something that conflicts with how I played them.