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[LegendaryIII]

My daughter is 13, plays DA:O, not a big deal. Truth is, so much has changed in media taboos over the last 25 years since I was her age...Even here in my uptight-backwards country...Canada...



A few weeks ago, at 7:00pm on regular cable, they aired Friday the 13th. Mild by todays standards, rated R a couple decades ago...Hell, I wasn't allowed in to see a Steven Seagal movie when I was 17 and accompanied by my parents...Life has changed a bit...

I went with my wife and daughter during the summer to see District 9. Ummm...not quite what we expected from the ads...Very quickly my wife and I are debating whether we should leave, as it's a bit graphic for kidz, even we found it a bit disturbing...My daughter had no issue with it at all...She wasn't even the youngest there...

Desensitized...Perhaps...Stupid, or delusional? I'll let you know what the judge thinks in a few weeks...>:}



My point is, censorship does NOT work. Educate your children, don't try to hide the world from them...You failed...Stop kidding yourself, you failed. They know.

People make mistakes from LACK of information, not from TOO MUCH.



11 years old, is a bit young for all of DO:A's content...turn off the gore, don't have sex at camp. After that, what's the big deal? Don't use walking bomb?

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[UBER GEEKZILLA]

yeah i know the sex scenese have like no nudity and the blood effects are SOOOOOOO cheesy alll that happens is u hit a foe and a red cloud apperes all of a sudden its tottaly fake

[Monica21]

I don't really have a problem with the sex, although I'm pretty sure that's why it's age-rated the way it is. I do think kids are far too desensitized these days however, and not just toward sex but violence as well. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but when I was a kid I was riding my bike to my friends house and making sure I was home by the time the streetlights were on. I played video games, but there was nothing like the level of realism there is now.

I'm likely more shocked by some of the content than most 11-year-olds would be, like the first time someone in my party decapitated someone. The spurting fountain of blood is a little over the top for me, and I changed the default gore settings so my PC wasn't constantly spattered with blood. Because, that's just gross.

[kalfrad]

What about the fact that players can modify the game to the point of nudity, etc.? Perhaps that is a reason for the M rating? Didn't that happen with Oblivion? Just a thought.

[Monica21]

Oblivion was different. There was a model that the developers used for the upper body so that the "bra" part wouldn't show through certain armors and clothes. It was never meant as to be used as nude model of the PC, but it had nipples (very poorly drawn, because no one was ever supposed to see it). But the reason the rating changed was because it was made available by the developers, although one still had to do a lot of looking to find the file.

Player made mods are completely different. BioWare is not making nude models available so I don't think the fact that players can mod the game has anything to do with the rating. My assumption, just from playing, is that it's because of violence, gore, and sexual situations.

[Sylixe]

Tassiaw wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

be well aware that you are then breaking a number of laws dependent on your country, and if in 6 months time, your son decides to go and have sex, use language at you when he doesnt want to do what you tell him, and/or kills the school bully with sword (long knife)....

The average 11 year old knows the difference between fantasy and reality. 11 year olds aren't retarded.

Unfortunately it's never the normal ones who make the news and blame the game for making them do the rash act they commited.

I certainly though wouldn't let a pre-teen play this game and i am very open minded about things.  At the very least getting them to go back to bed after seeing the brrodmother would be a monumental effort.

Modifié par Sylixe, 07 janvier 2010 - 12:08 .

[Dourmatt]

cheers for that he will not be playing it now. i haven't played much of the game as i am still trying to finish AC 2. I have seen very little of the game and the back of the box only says violence thats it so i wasn't sure.



My 11 year old is not retarted he has a good head on his shoulders, that retarted stage of his life will only come in to affect when he is a teen when he is old enought to play more muture games and they i will start to worry if they have any bad effects on his brain

[PickledTink]

Sex scenes, gore and language aside, some of the themes are extremely heavy and not really something I would want to be exposing a child to. Themes of murder, rape, mutilation. I do not believe in over censorship or over-active PC. In fact I'm dead against it, but I also believe in letting children be children for as long as they can. I wouldn't want my child to be exposed to some of the themes in this game until they're old enough to be able to handle it. With this in mind, I believe the age rating is more than justified.

[Silent Storm]

I dont have kids, but my friend does. He lets his 9 year old son watch films for 15 year olds, and I dont agree with that - esp since the film scared him and should be a higher rating. If I had kids, unless there was someway to 'kidie-friendly' the game, they wouldnt be playing it. Ratings are there for a reason, to 'protect' our children from some of lifes violence - its bad enough stuff like that being on the news, do they really need to see in it other places?

[Sisimka]

PickledTink wrote...

Sex scenes, gore and language aside, some of the themes are extremely heavy and not really something I would want to be exposing a child to. Themes of murder, rape, mutilation. I do not believe in over censorship or over-active PC. In fact I'm dead against it, but I also believe in letting children be children for as long as they can. I wouldn't want my child to be exposed to some of the themes in this game until they're old enough to be able to handle it. With this in mind, I believe the age rating is more than justified.

I agree with this.  I have an eight year old and I'm fairly relaxed about what I let her play or watch - often letting her decide for herself if she can handle it.  We watch a lot of anime and some of it has very mature themes - other than violence.  That she doesn't get to watch.  Violence is such a part of our entertainment these days I trust her to tell me if it's too much for her, and she's happy to walk away and do something else.  I think it's up to parents to 'parent' and to be in tune with the maturity level of their own each individual child.

That being said, I think the M rating for DoA is spot on.  Not because of the sexual content or the violence, but because of the more mature themes and choices.  If played in a thoughtful and mature manner, this is a powerful game with morally ambiguous choices that could leave immature players a bit depressed - in my own humble opinion.  I think the M rating gives the developers the go ahead to make a game for adults also, which is refreshing.  Kids have enough games of their own, it's nice to see a more realistic take on a age old story.

[AdorableAnarchist]

I'm not going to express my age or any details that might give it away... Suffice to say, my hair stylist is the only one who knows my real colour... That being said, I have a thirteen year old, twelve year old, and seven year old. They will watch / play games with us often. We tend to do it as a family because we all like the stories... However, we never let them watch until we've played the games enough to get a feel for how it will affect each kid. DA:O definitely has parts and themes that I don't let them watch -- I'm REALLY quick on clicking through dialogue if certain words are used (it's the only time I actually get that stupid controller to work for me LOL) and I know exactly where I need to send them out of the room.



The gore doesn't bother me as much since we have it turned down, but the darker themes and sex aren't appropriate for the littlest one. My thirteen year old gets to see the game because it has given us a really good platform with which to have discussions about sex, perceptions of genders, etc. It's amazing the conversations we've had over video games.



Do I agree with the rating, heck yes! It's a dark game as other posters have said. There are parts that made me uncomfortable (Broodmother part, anyone?) that I don't think appropriate for kids. And as for Assassin's Creed 2, there was innuendo, but no Desire Demon running her hands over herself half-nekkid.... *shudder*

[silenceall]

I just received and installed the game this weekend, so I haven't seen much of anything in the game yet, but knowing that there is even partial nudity in the game is enough for me to not let my 13 and 10 yr olds anywhere near it.

[Girchou]

Invalidcode wrote...

DA:O is not suitable for an 11 years old. You shouldn't even let the kid watch it imho. Stuff like regular combat isn't a big deal but stuff like on your way to broodmother is a big no no.

im eleven  and i  have completed and thourely enjoyed this game

[Girchou]

Cybercat999 wrote...

Tassiaw wrote...

steelfire_dragon wrote...
yeah tell that to the people who actually blamed the game after they went on a killing spree that they got the idea from playing GTA.

11 yr olds may not be retards, but can they make the right descision on right from wrong.....

anyway.....

Uh, yeah. Kids aren't stupid, they're cowardly. What was your first instinct when you got caught doing something wrong? That's right, to lie about it. "I got the idea from a video game." is the same as "I just came in here and the couch was on fire."

Unfortunately, stupid parents and sensationalist media actually take it as gospel, and these kids who do horrible things get to shift the blame on to this generation's scapegoat. You know, not too long ago people were blaming all the evils of the world on rock music.

In other words, you would give your 11 years old child DA:O to play? Do you have a 11 yo?

my dad did.

[Creature 1]

Dourmatt wrote...
i can't really see a reason why he can't

Try "because I said so."  Worked for my parents.

I seriously wouldn't let a kid that age play.  

[AdorableAnarchist]

I have to admit, I'm loving this thread simply to hear what other parents think. Parenting styles are so different across the board and the fact that no one has told someone they are wrong and a horrid parent is so refreshing!

[Creature 1]

We don't have any kids right now but I've thought a little about this stuff, mostly wondering "What do I do with all my books?" Heck, I wouldn't want a grade-school kid getting ahold of 1984, and I have that plus half of the Sword of Truth series, half a dozen Tom Clancy books (including Without Remorse), several Stephen King novels, Stephen Baxter, Jim Butcher, Kim Harrison, Charlaine Harris. . . So far my planned strategy is to put a bookcase in our bedroom and quarantine the books I don't want them to read there, and figure by the time they decide to sneak them they'll be old enough anyway!

[L1bby]

I'm 15.....My brother (11) and I have been able to play any game we want to our whole life. I beat DA:O and my brother has beat all the GTA you can ever imagine. Neither of us Have: had sex, done drugs, violence at school, or cuss at people not in our house. I am a babysitter to people in the neighborhood. We both watch South Park, Family Guy, and watch Fringe. You can't blaim the TV or the game...you have to blaim the parent.

[Sericenthe]

Cause in America Sex is way more scary than Violence.

[Erakleitos]

And friday is very long in the office too

[Arkwright99]

I may well get flamed for typing this, but I'm playing a couple of DAO characters with my daughter who's just shy of her 10th birthday. She's a big fantasy fan - she watched the LOTR films when she was about 5-6 yo - and we played NWN together as well as large chunks of Icewind Dale 2 and parts of BG & PST, so something like DAO appeals a lot to her. I don't have any particular problem with the violence, gore or desire demons/LofF nudity (it's just pixels on a screen after all), but as others have mentioned there are a number of themes in DAO that I don't think she's ready for yet.

The key thing is that we play the game together - I do most of the keyboard work and fighting, she gets to make decisions on what 'her' Warden does or says - and there are some parts that I won't let her do, like the City Elf origin and (having played through it for the first time the other night) some of the Broodmother stuff. (The BM herself doesn't bother me but the process as Hespeth describes the creation of the BM is a little strong for her I think.) We played the Dalish Clan/Werewolf quest through last week but the reason for the werewolf curse is quite easy to skirt over and not dwell on so that didn't bother me overly.

As I rule I try to play through each part of the game on my own with one of my own Wardens so I know in advance whether or not the material is suitable for her. The fact that the DAO story is morally challenging and makes you think about what your Warden might or might not do is good for her on the whole though imo, since it forces her to think about the consequences of her decisions, unlike a FPS like Quake where the violence is fairly inconsequential. Also, of course, you can re-load and try different decisions to see what the alternative outcome would have been. To that end, I think DAO has an educational quality to it as well as just the entertainment side.

That's my view on the matter, anyhow. Take it for what it is.

Modifié par demos99, 08 janvier 2010 - 05:31 .

[Erakleitos]

demos99 wrote...

I may well get flamed for typing this, but I'm playing a couple of DAO characters with my daughter who's just shy of her 10th birthday. She's a big fantasy fan - she watched the LOTR films when she was about 5-6 yo - and we played NWN together as well as large chunks of Icewind Dale 2 and parts of BG & PST, so something like DAO appeals a lot to her. I don't have any particular problem with the violence, gore or desire demons/LofF nudity (it's just pixels on a screen after all), but as others have mentioned there are a number of themes in DAO that I don't think she's ready for yet.

The key thing is that we play the game together - I do most of the keyboard work and fighting, she gets to make decisions on what 'her' Warden does or says - and there are some parts that I won't let her do, like the City Elf origin and (having played through it for the first time the other night) some of the Broodmother stuff. (The BM herself doesn't bother me but the process as Hespeth describes the creation of the BM is a little strong for her I think.) We played the Dalish Clan/Werewolf quest through last week but the reason for the werewolf curse is quite easy to skirt over and not dwell on so that didn't bother me overly.

As I rule I try to play through each part of the game on my own with one of my own Wardens so I know in advance whether or not the material is suitable for her. The fact that the DAO story is morally challenging and makes you think about what your Warden might or might not do is good for her on the whole though imo, since it forces her to think about the consequences of her decisions, unlike a FPS like Quake where the violence is fairly inconsequential. Also, of course, you can re-load and try different decisions to see what the alternative outcome would have been. To that end, I think DAO has an educational quality to it as well as just the entertainment side.

That's my view on the matter, anyhow. Take it for what it is.

The only thing i disagree with you is that a game isn't just pixel on a screen, it's a story and therefore a quite serious matter. On the other hand if i had i daughter/son i would have done the same as you.

[AdorableAnarchist]

demos99 wrote...

I may well get flamed for typing this, but I'm playing a couple of DAO characters with my daughter who's just shy of her 10th birthday. She's a big fantasy fan - she watched the LOTR films when she was about 5-6 yo - and we played NWN together as well as large chunks of Icewind Dale 2 and parts of BG & PST, so something like DAO appeals a lot to her. I don't have any particular problem with the violence, gore or desire demons/LofF nudity (it's just pixels on a screen after all), but as others have mentioned there are a number of themes in DAO that I don't think she's ready for yet.

The key thing is that we play the game together - I do most of the keyboard work and fighting, she gets to make decisions on what 'her' Warden does or says - and there are some parts that I won't let her do, like the City Elf origin and (having played through it for the first time the other night) some of the Broodmother stuff. (The BM herself doesn't bother me but the process as Hespeth describes the creation of the BM is a little strong for her I think.) We played the Dalish Clan/Werewolf quest through last week but the reason for the werewolf curse is quite easy to skirt over and not dwell on so that didn't bother me overly.

As I rule I try to play through each part of the game on my own with one of my own Wardens so I know in advance whether or not the material is suitable for her. The fact that the DAO story is morally challenging and makes you think about what your Warden might or might not do is good for her on the whole though imo, since it forces her to think about the consequences of her decisions, unlike a FPS like Quake where the violence is fairly inconsequential. Also, of course, you can re-load and try different decisions to see what the alternative outcome would have been. To that end, I think DAO has an educational quality to it as well as just the entertainment side.

That's my view on the matter, anyhow. Take it for what it is.

This is what we do. While the Boy Child doesn't actually play, he sits with us, heckles, offers advice, etc. We do it together, after Hubby and I have agreed to him watching the game. Like I said, gaming is a family thing because we all love the cut scenes -- as long as we, the parents, feel they are appropriate for the Boy Child. (My older kids are my steps, so we only get them here and there, but we follow the same rules... Keep it to their personal age and maturity levels)

[Ginasue]

I have my 13 year old grandson living with me now, so in a since I'm the parent of him. I play DA and he hears what's going on in it, but will I allow him to play it, Heck no. To much sex in it and since he's at the age, where he's going though changes with his body, I don't need him getting all hot and brothered at this time.

[Freckles04]

My kids are younger, so they definitely aren't allowed to watch me as I play. Usually I play when they're in bed, or when they're occupied in their playroom. The violence is too much for them right now, along with some of the moments where something jumps out at you.

When they're older? I'll have to see. It's not so much the gore, or even the partial nudity (since that's no worse than a lot of TV shows), but the themes, as other posters have said. DA:O is an adult game in every sense of the word, challenging an adult's view of the world with its moral choices and dark events. When kids who are too young tackle a game like this, they don't take away the same information that an adult would. They won't see the deeper reasoning behind some of the events, only what's on the screen in front of them. An example would be the Landsmeet; the events leading up to the decisions and actions there are fairly complex, but would a young child understand why it happens? Probably not; they would only see the shocking end result. And that might be harder to take without the understanding of everything else.

I don't believe for an instant that video games are responsible for violence in society. I do believe that parents have a responsibility to pay attention to the ratings and check games out for themselves to judge whether or not they're suitable for their children. Every child and every parent is different, but the ratings are there for a reason. To ignore them outright is not a good idea.