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[AdorableAnarchist]

Freckles04 wrote...

I don't believe for an instant that video games are responsible for violence in society. I do believe that parents have a responsibility to pay attention to the ratings and check games out for themselves to judge whether or not they're suitable for their children. Every child and every parent is different, but the ratings are there for a reason. To ignore them outright is not a good idea.

Exactly! Parents need to parent.

[Creature 1]

demos99 wrote...
The key thing is that we play the game together

I think this is the best way to do it, if you're going to let your kid play.  I'd rather play through the game (skipping certain parts!) with my (as yet nonexistant) pre-teen daughter than let her go off and read Twilight on her own--I think Twilight is way more toxic than DA!  Then there are options for damage control that parents otherwise miss out on. 

[AdorableAnarchist]

Creature 1 wrote...

demos99 wrote...
The key thing is that we play the game together

I think this is the best way to do it, if you're going to let your kid play.  I'd rather play through the game (skipping certain parts!) with my (as yet nonexistant) pre-teen daughter than let her go off and read Twilight on her own--I think Twilight is way more toxic than DA!  Then there are options for damage control that parents otherwise miss out on. 

First off, BUWAHAHAHAAAA to the bolded comment. You owe me for a new keyboard. I also have to try and explain why I am laughing so hard at work.

Second, doing anything together as parent and child is always good! Keeping communication open is a big key. I'm pretty honoured by the fact that my two steps feel like they can talk to Hubby and me about things and I hope that Boy Child will be the same way.

[Wompoo]

If it is because of the so called sexual content, then that is laughable. TV adds, the National Geographic and a trip to the beach will all provide you with more. The love scenes are no more graphic then several hundred movie and TV series ever made rated G. As I grew up on a sheep station, learning many life lessons came very early, so I find the whole rating system in many countries (including my own, definitely my own) just to conservative.

[Seiphiroth2008]

All is question of maturity ... If a parent ( Who played the game )judge that game is ok for is kid that it choice .DAo is M is for 17 +,that not AO (Adult Only )

[Warrior Poet]

When I was 11, seeing my first Atari 2600 was still 4 years away. Yep, I'm ancient. I'm also the father of a 12 1/2 year old and a 15 year old. When I was 11 it was Dungeons & Dragons tabletop rpg that was going to send you to hell, not videogames. But I agree that times have changed and that kids are exposed to more "mature" themes now than way back then.

I think you have to judge the game, and the child, individually. I've chosen to keep DA:O away from my 12 year old son for a while yet. He's itching to play and I let him watch me game during part of it. But he's just not ready for some of the more intense elements. I'd let my daughter (15) play though...that is if I could get her away from her boyfriend without a prybar and pepper spray.

I like the rating system and do beleive DA:O is rated fairly.

Does anyone else think it's strange that here in the US you can depict bloody decapitations all day long without much reaction, but show a breast or imply theres anything sexual going on and the peasants are out in the streets with pitchforks and torches in about two seconds???

Okay, end of the old man rant.

Modifié par Warrior Poet, 08 janvier 2010 - 06:46 .

[AdorableAnarchist]

Warrior Poet wrote...

Does anyone else think it's strange that here in the US you can depict bloody decapitations all day long without much reaction, but show a breast or imply theres anything sexual going on and the peasants are out in the streets with pitchforks and torches in about two seconds???

Okay, end of the old man rant.

If that's an old man rant, then add this "old woman" to the rant. I don't get it at all.

[Warrior Poet]

AdorableAnarchist wrote...
Exactly! Parents need to parent.

Spot on. The word "parent" is a verb. I really enjoy my kids and have a lot of fun with them. That said, I've told both of them that there'll be plenty of time later for me to be their friend...right now I'm that **** who won't let them do anything fun.

Oh, and good to have you on the "old folks rant wagon", AA.

[AdorableAnarchist]

Warrior Poet wrote...

AdorableAnarchist wrote...
Exactly! Parents need to parent.

Spot on. The word "parent" is a verb. I really enjoy my kids and have a lot of fun with them. That said, I've told both of them that there'll be plenty of time later for me to be their friend...right now I'm that **** who won't let them do anything fun.

Oh, and good to have you on the "old folks rant wagon", AA.

Hmm, I'm a bit frightened because I tell MY kids the exact same thing! I'm glad to be on the wagon as long as it has plushy pillows for these old bones.

[Kalfear]

Seiphiroth2008 wrote...

All is question of maturity ... If a parent ( Who played the game )judge that game is ok for is kid that it choice .DAo is M is for 17 +,that not AO (Adult Only )

So you should be 17 or older to play it! I agree with that!

Im sorry but this is a Mature game and no way in hell id let my 13 year old neice or any of her younger siblings watch me play this game or play it themselves. There is a reason for the warning!

If parents would do their jobs and pay attention to this warning, other even more mature content wouldnt be cut from it.

I also say hog wash to parents playing with their kids. THEIR KIDS! Go read a bedtime story to them, do a puzzle, play catch, you dont need to play a MATURE GAME to have time togather! Thats just a BS cop out!

You said you were old enough to have kids so damn well do right by them.

As someone else said, there is plenty of time later in life for you to be best freinds with your children, now is the time for you to be the ADULT and look out for them on all levels!

So yes, a parent that plays the game and decides its ok for their kid, its a choice, A BAD CHOICE. Just like those moron parents that do drugs around their kids cause they think pot should be legal! GET A LIFE AND A BRAIN!

Sorry for rant but this liberal parenting movement infecting our lands as of late is going to be the death of us all! Im not conservative ny nature but ill say one thing about conservatives, they tend to put the child first and formost! I think a great many "more liberal minded" people can learn from this lesson!

[AdorableAnarchist]

Well, I had hoped that this thread would continue to be a flame-free discussion with people being respectful and such... Alas, it falls into the same category of all the threads I've seen on mom forums.

[Warrior Poet]

AdorableAnarchist wrote...
Hmm, I'm a bit frightened because I tell MY kids the exact same thing! I'm glad to be on the wagon as long as it has plushy pillows for these old bones.

Well, AA, either we're doing a good job with our kids or we've doomed them. Reckon we'll have to wait and see how it works out.

Don't worry, the old folks wagon has more than just plushy pillows. It's got central heat and air! Roughing it is for youngin's.

[AdorableAnarchist]

Judging from how they've responded to hurdles so far in their respective lives, I'm pretty darned proud of my three. They each have their moments, what kids don't, but when push comes to shove, they are good kids at heart.



Oooo, I don't rough it any more! I used to camp in Kansas in the summer and that broke me of roughing it. LOL Tell me there's a Coke Zero and Low Carb Monster machine and I'll be a happy old woman.

[Warrior Poet]

AdorableAnarchist wrote...

Well, I had hoped that this thread would continue to be a flame-free discussion with people being respectful and such... Alas, it falls into the same category of all the threads I've seen on mom forums.

Nature of the beast (forums in general), unfortunately. Nice try, though...

I've also noticed that the first of my friends to give advice on parenting are those without kids.  Some of that advice is good, but some of it lacks perspective. And no, that's not a shot at anyone who's posted in the thread, just a general observation.

[aries1001]

http://assassinscree...ed-2/#/trailer/



According to this AC2 has a rating of 18+ in the PEGI countries which is most of Europe. The 15+ rating probably comes from BBFC in the UK (England). Why this is so, I don't know, but it probably has to do with the backstabbing going on in both AC2 and DA:O. And the blood, and maybe some of the love/romance scenes in DA:O that it has been rated M for 17 and 18+ for most of Europe.



As for playing the game together with my (imaginery) 11 year old daughter or son I will have no problems playing DA: Origins with an 11 year old biy or girl. I find that one can use this game and many other games to raise and discuss several questions with an 11 year e.g. the treatment of the elves for instance, one can let him or her make some of the choices and see the consequences of said choices.

[Warrior Poet]

Same with my kids, AA. But of course I'm still amid the teenage years, so who knows what tomorrow will bring? LOL



Dang, I had Diet Coke...we'll have to restock the old folks wagon at the first opportunity.

[AdorableAnarchist]

I've got the hormonal tween / teens AND a seven year old who thinks he's forty. I feel your pain.



Diet Coke works, except late at night or early in the morning. At those points, I need my Monster.

[Dark Lilith]

being an adult,I enjoy adult rated games.I mod for another popular RPG and many or the mods created by myself and my partners go beyond sexual innuendo and are very popular in fact.
I like realism in my games,the more the better.
there's plenty od chilrens games out there.Any parent worthy of being one should not let their children play "M" rated games plain and simple.If your a parent then take parental responsabilities.Its "parent,not best friend"

[PhroXenGold]

IMO, the rating is correct. It's not unsuitable for all people under that age, but it is unsuitable for some (and not just some as in the odd weirdo), and as such should not be available for them to buy. If a parent buys it, plays it, and then feels it's suitable for their child, then that, IMO, is fine.

[AdorableAnarchist]

I'm not sure what mods have to do with this conversation. Those of us discussing (and doing so politely without flaming each other) allowing our children to play with us supervising them are hardly going to allow them to do anything along the lines of the mods you've described. For some of us, mods are not even an option, i.e. those of us playing on consoles.



Also, if you had read closely, you would see that those of us who supervise our children are definite proponents of the "Parents are parents, not best friends" school of thought. In fact, I even mention that sentiment all but word for word. I do take my parental responsibilities exceptionally seriously and make decisions for my children and my family based on the child's maturity level, the content and my ability to censor what I feel needs to be censored, and whether or not I can use the game as a learning tool for my kids.

[Backadd]

I remember when my parents didn't allow me to play M rated games. It took some time before they did understand the gaming culture enough to understand the ratings. And when they did let me play what ever a wanted nothing changed, i just had a chance to take hard core gaming more serious (i was 12 or some thing then so i didn't take it that serious then but it was a start)



My advice is to let him try to play for some time, but if you see any negative effects i think you know what you have to do .

[GHL_Soul_Reaver]

Dourmatt wrote...

can some one explain why dragon age, age rating is 18. I have just played Assassin's Creed 2 and it only had an age rating of 15 it was a lot more gorey there was bad language and a lot of sexual innuendos in the game. I haven't being play dragon age for long and my kid who is 11 has watched me play some of dragon age and really wants to play as yet i can't really see a reason why he can't

Also as others might not have mentioned... you can get content made by players which contains different delicate stuff as it is, it has to be rated as +18 so the owner of the individual game got responsability for everything is allright for those whom might am going to use it in the house as well as a bioware ward made against posible complains.

As for assassins creed... people cannot just outright mess with the game the way they want to shape it, people can in Dragon Age Origins... different toolset nerds and other program nerds can easely get away with creating an outright pure adult mod for the game as it is, and yes the posibilities are there.

[Dark Lilith]

AdorableAnarchist wrote...

I'm not sure what mods have to do with this conversation. Those of us discussing (and doing so politely without flaming each other) allowing our children to play with us supervising them are hardly going to allow them to do anything along the lines of the mods you've described. For some of us, mods are not even an option, i.e. those of us playing on consoles.

Also, if you had read closely, you would see that those of us who supervise our children are definite proponents of the "Parents are parents, not best friends" school of thought. In fact, I even mention that sentiment all but word for word. I do take my parental responsibilities exceptionally seriously and make decisions for my children and my family based on the child's maturity level, the content and my ability to censor what I feel needs to be censored, and whether or not I can use the game as a learning tool for my kids.

nothing was directed at you,did I quote you or use your name?? NO,please unbundle your undies,no one flamed you or anyone else,its called adults voicing their opinions and having a conversation. thank you!

[Warrior Poet]

I personally wouldn't let my kids download/play an adult oriented mod without first playing the mod. If the mod is too intense for them, then they don't play it. Simple as that. I respect anyone who has the ability to design mods for games, as that capacity has passed me by. I've been a console/pc gamer since the late 70s and consider myself fairly tech savy, but as computer programers go, I'm a good land surveyor...

Diablo II is rated M and I don't have a problem letting my 12 year old play that game. I still believe it's an individual basis on the game and the young adult whether you let them play it. At least it is for me as a parent. Even R rated movies say "no one under 17 admitted...without parent."  So if a parent deems that a 15 year old is mature enough to see the movie, so be it. To me, game ratings are that way too.

Modifié par Warrior Poet, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:32 .