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[Silent Indignation]

I feel like I am a gold quality player. I understand the game mechanics well enough and have decent motor skills.

If I get thrown into a bad PUG and the team goes down I can solo the wave, but not on the objectives unless it's assassinate.

So I was thinking that maybe the next step for me is to practicing soloing on Gold, but doesn't the difficulty get scaled for when there are more players?

Honestly the gold PUG is in a difficulty class all its own. It's utter chaos at times. Can't account for enemy spawn locations and erratic player behavior. I can be an absolute cluster. Best to just approach each game like it's going to turn sour real quick.

Modifié par Silent Indignation, 21 décembre 2012 - 07:23 .

[joker_jack]

Given alot of new players are seeing people with lv x ur's and thinking "I want one of those" can you blame them. I can't. However the other side of this coin are the people still left over from fbw/g/g. Not as many quit as your elitist player want to think. Alot either moved to rio/plat or roam the now wastelands of gold looking for someone to carry them to easy creds. I've seen a few players I remember from those old days hosting still trying to farm. You can still see em hiding behind something the entire match. Ah memories.

[BlueTobimon]

Penguin User Group ?

[darkpassenger2342]

Silent Indignation wrote...

I feel like I am a gold quality player. I understand the game mechanics well enough and have decent motor skills.

If I get thrown into a bad PUG and the team goes down I can solo the wave, but not on the objectives unless it's assassinate.

So I was thinking that maybe the next step for me is to practicing soloing on Gold, but doesn't the difficulty get scaled for when there are more players?

Honestly the gold PUG is in a difficulty class all its own. It's utter chaos at times. Can't account for enemy spawn locations and erratic player behavior. I can be an absolute cluster. Best to just approach each game like it's going to turn sour real quick.

no, there is no difficulty scaling, however the hack objective goes faster when you solo.

[parico]

Silent Indignation wrote...

I feel like I am a gold quality player. I understand the game mechanics well enough and have decent motor skills.

If I get thrown into a bad PUG and the team goes down I can solo the wave, but not on the objectives unless it's assassinate.

So I was thinking that maybe the next step for me is to practicing soloing on Gold, but doesn't the difficulty get scaled for when there are more players?

Honestly the gold PUG is in a difficulty class all its own. It's utter chaos at times. Can't account for enemy spawn locations and erratic player behavior. I can be an absolute cluster. Best to just approach each game like it's going to turn sour real quick.

No need to solo find enough bad pugs and you'll get all the practice you need.  Soling is actually easier than clutching since you control the spawns and dont have to worry about a teamate kiting a banshee or phantom into you.  Bad pugs can make a mess because everyone was on a different part of map when they died and the enemies are literally everywhere. 

[darkpassenger2342]

parico wrote...

Silent Indignation wrote...

I feel like I am a gold quality player. I understand the game mechanics well enough and have decent motor skills.

If I get thrown into a bad PUG and the team goes down I can solo the wave, but not on the objectives unless it's assassinate.

So I was thinking that maybe the next step for me is to practicing soloing on Gold, but doesn't the difficulty get scaled for when there are more players?

Honestly the gold PUG is in a difficulty class all its own. It's utter chaos at times. Can't account for enemy spawn locations and erratic player behavior. I can be an absolute cluster. Best to just approach each game like it's going to turn sour real quick.

No need to solo find enough bad pugs and you'll get all the practice you need.  Soling is actually easier than clutching since you control the spawns and dont have to worry about a teamate kiting a banshee or phantom into you.  Bad pugs can make a mess because everyone was on a different part of map when they died and the enemies are literally everywhere. 

 my god if more people could just learn or admit this..
its not a knock on soloing, its more definitive that it IS possible for people to mess up a game.

[Bhatair]

Money.

[ISHYGDDT]

parico wrote...

Silent Indignation wrote...

I feel like I am a gold quality player. I understand the game mechanics well enough and have decent motor skills.

If I get thrown into a bad PUG and the team goes down I can solo the wave, but not on the objectives unless it's assassinate.

So I was thinking that maybe the next step for me is to practicing soloing on Gold, but doesn't the difficulty get scaled for when there are more players?

Honestly the gold PUG is in a difficulty class all its own. It's utter chaos at times. Can't account for enemy spawn locations and erratic player behavior. I can be an absolute cluster. Best to just approach each game like it's going to turn sour real quick.

No need to solo find enough bad pugs and you'll get all the practice you need.  Soling is actually easier than clutching since you control the spawns and dont have to worry about a teamate kiting a banshee or phantom into you.  Bad pugs can make a mess because everyone was on a different part of map when they died and the enemies are literally everywhere. 

Meh, I've done plenty of both, I still think soloing is a little more difficult mostly because you can clutch a wave using a fair amount of consumables, when soloing you need to be more thrifty.  If I had to clutch 10 waves, then yes, clutching would be more difficult.

[darkpassenger2342]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

parico wrote...

Silent Indignation wrote...

I feel like I am a gold quality player. I understand the game mechanics well enough and have decent motor skills.

If I get thrown into a bad PUG and the team goes down I can solo the wave, but not on the objectives unless it's assassinate.

So I was thinking that maybe the next step for me is to practicing soloing on Gold, but doesn't the difficulty get scaled for when there are more players?

Honestly the gold PUG is in a difficulty class all its own. It's utter chaos at times. Can't account for enemy spawn locations and erratic player behavior. I can be an absolute cluster. Best to just approach each game like it's going to turn sour real quick.

No need to solo find enough bad pugs and you'll get all the practice you need.  Soling is actually easier than clutching since you control the spawns and dont have to worry about a teamate kiting a banshee or phantom into you.  Bad pugs can make a mess because everyone was on a different part of map when they died and the enemies are literally everywhere. 

Meh, I've done plenty of both, I still think soloing is a little more difficult mostly because you can clutch a wave using a fair amount of consumables, when soloing you need to be more thrifty.  If I had to clutch 10 waves, then yes, clutching would be more difficult.

 i would never say "soloing is easier" thats absurd, but at least when
you solo, you know you always have a safe spot to run to and recoop.
bad randoms that run from enemies like banshees and phantoms on waves 7-9 all oer the map and then bleeding out can definitely prevent that.

thats really the only comparison id make.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 21 décembre 2012 - 07:51 .

[Olivia Wilde]

I've been playing more gold lately (for squad elite) I've just started playing KroGuard/Geth and using solo setups and starting solo..that way it doesn't matter who joins since I can solo anyways

I always make sure there's at least some capable friends in Gold Games otherwise

[ArcaptSSX]

Iggister wrote...

I see sooooooo many people in Platinum that have an N7 rating less than 10. Less than 10!

Same. And they host! It's not that much better in platinum, quite a few players who are barely silver-worthy trying to get credits though most of them probably end up making a Rio/R/P game fail on wave 3 after 20 minutes.
Also a significant number of gold-worthy people who just have trouble doing anything in plat, except for providing revive medals.

Plat is just as much judging the lobby's strength accurately as it is the battle itself, evaluating if you can do it with a 3 good+1 bad/average or 2+2. Collectors games exclude anything but 4 plat-worthy players. Sometimes a good surprise about the one presumed to be bad, but it's rare and will not pass the Collectors' test.
At least a gold lobby i can mostly carry if it comes to that. Much harder to do that in a plat game.


Pro-tip, if any leecher reading: if you want to be semi-useful, pick a Volus and support the team. A guy with mid-level loadout is mostly useless in terms of dps, a Volus shielding and reviving is not.

Modifié par JohnBobbyTheThird, 21 décembre 2012 - 07:58 .

[parico]

JohnBobbyTheThird wrote...

Iggister wrote...

I see sooooooo many people in Platinum that have an N7 rating less than 10. Less than 10!

Same. And they host! It's not that much better in platinum, quite a few players who are barely silver-worthy trying to get credits though most of them probably end up making a Rio/R/P game fail on wave 3 after 20 minutes.
Also a significant number of gold-worthy people who just have trouble doing anything in plat, except for providing revive medals.

Plat is just as much judging the lobby's strength accurately as it is the battle itself, evaluating if you can do it with a 3 good+1 bad/average or 2+2. Collectors games exclude anything but 4 plat-worthy players. Sometimes a good surprise about the one presumed to be bad, but it's rare and will not pass the Collectors' test.
At least a gold lobby i can mostly carry if it comes to that. Much harder to do that in a plat game.


Pro-tip, if any leecher reading: if you want to be semi-useful, pick a Volus and support the team. A guy with mid-level loadout is mostly useless in terms of dps, a Volus shielding and reviving is not.

Bad volus players are the worst form of leachers.  Playing volus properly requires skill and awareness 2 things the players this thread is focusing on lack.

[ArcaptSSX]

parico wrote...

Bad volus players are the worst form of leachers.  Playing volus properly requires skill and awareness 2 things the players this thread is focusing on lack.

I agree, but a bad loadout doesn't nessarily means the player is so bad himself. I remember a series of 4 great games where 2 pugs stuck with me has a host. One was a very good plat player, the other played a Volus and his loadout was clearly not plat-level.

But that Volus player was really supportive, placing his recon mine where it mattered, covering where and when he should, shield-boosting when it made a difference. He understood his role perfectly.

Modifié par JohnBobbyTheThird, 21 décembre 2012 - 08:24 .

[WilliamYZFR1]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

VerySeed wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

VerySeed wrote...

I outscored a gold PuG on my very first game on PC with a mantis 1 and a salarian engineer 1. Granted Sirian was carrying us but still, what the hell was that guy doing all game?!

 

Shall I post the scorecard....

Yes, i think it is time.

And i can let people know that i saw it before it went mainstream.

 

  

Here it is then:  

The guy who came 2nd in this picture is a friend of mine who is relatively new to gold. The guy who came 4th was a PUG. As you can see, VerySeed with a Mantis 1 on a level 4 Asariguard and no gear or consumables managed to outscore him. I think this pretty much sums up what you're trying to say, OP. And I agree with you, I've never understood people who play difficulties they are not ready for, and constantly die. I don't imagine they learn anything or that it is in any way fun. I guess the only real explanation is that they want quick credits and don't realise they could probably get them quicker just by playing Silvers, and actually having fun in the process.

So if VerySeed can play on Gold with a Mantis 1 and no gear and consumables why can't Pugs???

Seems like one rule for "mates" and another for "Pugs". 

I despise hypocrites.

Please justify/explain the difference between a Pug random & VerySeed (Both with no gear or consumables)?

Thank you.

Modifié par WilliamYZFR1, 21 décembre 2012 - 09:29 .

[Airealite]

The Rainbow Reaper wrote...

I'm thinking they want to get carried to 60k credits.

[rocky_balboa83]

Need one good player in team to finish it easily, but the hearing squad member down every 5 seconds is actually very annoying. With a good squad, gold is usually done in less than 20 min, but with bad teammates, it goes 30 min + i have to use all consumables.

[WilliamYZFR1]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

WilliamYZFR1 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

VerySeed wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

VerySeed wrote...

I outscored a gold PuG on my very first game on PC with a mantis 1 and a salarian engineer 1. Granted Sirian was carrying us but still, what the hell was that guy doing all game?!

 

Shall I post the scorecard....

Yes, i think it is time.

And i can let people know that i saw it before it went mainstream.

 

  

Here it is then:  

The guy who came 2nd in this picture is a friend of mine who is relatively new to gold. The guy who came 4th was a PUG. As you can see, VerySeed with a Mantis 1 on a level 4 Asariguard and no gear or consumables managed to outscore him. I think this pretty much sums up what you're trying to say, OP. And I agree with you, I've never understood people who play difficulties they are not ready for, and constantly die. I don't imagine they learn anything or that it is in any way fun. I guess the only real explanation is that they want quick credits and don't realise they could probably get them quicker just by playing Silvers, and actually having fun in the process.

So if VerySeed can play on Gold with a Mantis 1 and no gear and consumables why can't Pugs???

Seems like one rule for "mates" and another for "Pugs". 

I despise hypocrites.

Please justify/explain the difference between a Pug random & VerySeed (Both with no gear or consumables)?

Thank you.

 

A) I almost never vote to kick anyone unless they're being rude to me.
 The lobby was essentially private, with only one PUG. 

I'm not sure what you're getting annoyed about. I used to PUG with no equipment and low level rares. I was playing with VerySeed and another friend, and a PUG joined. Said PUG had no equipment and was using an awful loadout. I did not kick said PUG. Why are you upset?

The general tone of this thread is that PUG people play gold unprepared.
If you are defending their right to do this with no consumables and a poor weapon then I appluadeyou.

Modifié par WilliamYZFR1, 21 décembre 2012 - 09:46 .

[Zorinho20_CRO]

Spectators?

[Kogia]

count_4 wrote...

I joined three matches today (before I got tired of this sh*t), two of them in progess (wave 2 & 3) and the first thing I hear are several downs - a foreshadowing of what was to come. The third match was an actual lobby and from wave one people were dying left and right.

And this hasn't been a fluke, it gets notably worse every week as more and more people venture into gold that clearly have no place there. PUGs used to be fun but it gets more tedious every day, which brings me to the point: What drives these people? 
It can't be fun cause dying all the time, bleeding out and wiping doesn't provide a lot of it. Neither can it be credits as there's a good chance the team won't make to (and through) wave 10 anyway. They'd earn more credits with regular silver extractions. 

So what is it that makes it almost impossible to find even a single proper team mate in gold PUGs nowadays?

I have noticed a severe drop in player skill (mine included) in gold matches on Ps3 the last 2 days, really frustrating day yesterday where all 5 matches I played in wiped. I was playing as a Vanguard and got annoyingly caught into several synch kills, then people would go down and never gel.

Also remember though, that when you join a match in progress, often those 'teammates down' that you hear as soon as you arrive, are because of your arrival. There's always a small amount of lag when a new player joins a match, but sometimes it's terrible and has gotten me killed if I'm stuck into a beefy fight as it occurs. 

So many times people join, cause lag, getting people killed, then rage quit in a huff because people are downed.

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

I ran into a match like this earlier today. I'm not one for carrying. I literally soloed the match. Got to wave 6 and ended up wiping cause I had no more medi-gel. They didn't even use one gel. Not one, nor did they use op packs. Was about to send them a message saying they should stick to silver but then decided it wasn't worth it.

[darkpassenger2342]

im glad sirians nice enough not to kick his friends, but people who dont use equipment on gold deserve to be kicked for the simple reason that either
A) they dont have it because they havent bought enough to have it
they have no idea whats going on an ended up in gold by mistake.
C) they suck and used it all and lost without making enough money to buy more
D) they deem it unnecessary even though the other 3 are using it and expect to be carried
E) they think they are better than the other 3 people and dont need it.
if the answer is E, i dont care to find out, find another game of people that feel the same as you, and enjoy your game without gear. i wont be offended.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 21 décembre 2012 - 10:00 .

[darkpassenger2342]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

im glad sirians nice enough not to kick his friends, but people who dont use equipment on gold deserve to be kicked for the simple reason that either
A) they dont have it because they havent bought enough to have it
they suck and used it all and lost without making enough money to buy more
C) they deem it unnecessary even though the other 3 are using it and expect to be carried
d) they think they are better than the other 3 people and dont need it.
if the answer is 4, i dont care to find out, find another game of people that feel the same as you, and enjoy your game without gear. i wont be offended.

 

I used to PUG and carry Gold matches with only a Stronghold Package. :c

And I see kicking as a waste of time, chances are the next person to join the lobby will be very similar. I don't PUG much at all any more though.

 i work third shift so i dont have many friends to play with when i get home from work, as my hours are really screwed up..
i play games with friends and people from here often, but play pugs just as often..
 i dont have horrible experiences, but i do often spent 10 minutes trying to get a good lobby.
i ONLY vote to kick people who dont use stuff, i dont care about challenge points or n7 or whatever.

perhaps that is what differentiates the perspective.

i see it as not maximizing potential for no reason..
 you dont see people in online rpgs showing up with no equipment and thinking theres nothing wrong with it.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 21 décembre 2012 - 10:10 .