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[darkpassenger2342]

megabeast37215 wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...
i smell another debate! megas not a fan of the javelin.

No I am not... I am a worshipper of the Javelin... I can't stop using the damn thing.

RC + Wallhack + Quickscoping is sooooooooo fun!

I meant valiant, and then i go up and he DID type valiant..

figues.
 
so, back to what i said in the first place, i smell a debate, mega's not a fan of the VALIANT.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 21 décembre 2012 - 06:48 .

[Titus Thongger]

it's aiming is a little gimicky. I prefer to stick an omniblade on it and use it as a club instead

[ThatOddGuy]

See, the few people who defend this gun just say "iz a gut gunzz" but have very little to actually say about it.

It's a shotgun with range. OR you could use a pistol. I realize that DPS isn't the defining factor of weapons, but look at the Paladin. Higher sustained DPS even with smaller clip, no laggy shots, less recoil, better weapon mods, WAY lighter...

Crusader makes no sense. Add force to the shots to fling mooks is the only way to save this weapon. Kishock only flings on kills. This is specifically force. 500N at lv I, 1000N at X.

I'm gonna keep saying it. I'll make a thread on it, I don't care. I WANT IT! lol


EDIT: my brain was a bit off when I was thinking about the Crusader's damage for some reason. sorry./

Modifié par ThatOddGuy, 21 décembre 2012 - 06:57 .

[holdenagincourt]

The changes to shield gate were the breath of life for this weapon. (Buff after buff to its damage also didn't hurt.)

That being said, I'm still not a fan. There are weapons that I know are objectively better than average, but I just don't like or do well with. The Geth Plasma Shotgun is one, the Crusader is another.

[Noahsun]

The graul seems like a much better option if you want a long range shotgun

[joker_jack]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...
i smell another debate! megas not a fan of the javelin.

No I am not... I am a worshipper of the Javelin... I can't stop using the damn thing.

RC + Wallhack + Quickscoping is sooooooooo fun!

I meant valiant, and then i go up and he DID type valiant..

figues.
 
so, back to what i said in the first place, i smell a debate, mega's not a fan of the VALIANT.

I like the jav, but I can't use it on the gi. HM + Jav Scope and a massive migrane comes on. I really wish hm had the brightness toned down.

[Counter_Mixture]

That was a fantastic read and eye opener - nice post!

Modifié par Counter_Mixture, 21 décembre 2012 - 07:06 .

[AzuraAngellus]

Personally I like to use it as an anti-armor any-range platform. With both piercing mods, this thing RIPS armor apart at ANY range. Fast reload to boot, even without canceling. I do agree with your point that it is a bit heavy to be viable on many classes, and the hit detection is questionable, but for large boss units(Atlas, Banshee, Brute, Ravager, Primes, and if you get better with it even Dragoons and Pyros.) I haven't found a weapon that can out preform it. That is, at any range. Yes, the Claymore does more damage at close range, but the Crusader is, like you said, essentially a scopeless sniper rifle. Hip firing is FAR more effective than aiming.

Like I said before though, it's heavy enough to the point where I only ever use it on my Demo girl with a Harrier. (Using homing grenades+debuff on armored targets with the Crusader is BEAST.)

Just my two credits.

Edit: Tl;dr, works best on Demo girl. Other classes, less so. Almost like it was built for the class.

Modifié par AzuraAngellus, 21 décembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Malokai The Hallowed]

I like the crusader because it has 4 (or 5) shots per clip, does good damage with a reasonably fast reload, and I don't have to use reload cancelling (not a cheat, just annoying) or bother with scopes (I hate scopes, they actually make me less able to aim) on a sniper. It's hardly perfect but in the right hands it's good on any difficulty, or at least it is for me. Just got my Crusader X today in fact, thanks to Prophecy.

[xxrpggamemanxx]

Got my Dust Collector IX today in my pack I have never enjoyed using it. The hit detection on it is just horrible if you're not host.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

It is a nice weapon,but its weight is horrendous.I did shotgun challenge with it(easy),but I´m not crazy to use it instead of my BW/Wraith/whatever.

[HLake]

+1

I made a similar tread a few weeks ago.
IMO it should belong to the same weight class as the Graal or GPS.

[Scutshakes]

It could use a damage buff, but a change I'd like is that they nerfed the accuracy. This near 100% accuracy thing actually makes missing with it extremely easy. If they gave it spread (maybe just a little bit, like mattock or phaeston? slightly better?) i feel like it would be a lot easier to handle.

[PerplexedSquirrel]

Does anyone else like not notice the whole not-quite-lag thing ever? Maybe I've just used it so much that It is never a problem for me.

Anyway, I'm not sure some of the comparisons are apt. The higher rate of fire means it can out damage or at least perform comparably to most of the sniper rifles. It's accuracy means smart choke is pretty pointless, leaving space for the spare thermal clip with hvb (or just high calibur barrel for slightly less weight considering the armor piercing part is of limited utility with crusader) meaning ammo shouldn't be too much of an issue, at least relative to some of the other mentioned weapons. I admit, I can't say anything about valiant cause I don't have one (crusader V, eagle VI, hurricane VII, but somehow Valkyrie 1 and valiant 0, maybe my commendation packs have something against rifles?).

In terms of shotguns, the wraith's terrible fire rate means it will be left in the dust, which is reasonable considering the vast weight difference. The grall is a bit more of a toss up. The ignore armor damage reduction doesn't mean much in a comparison and its utter inability to pierce anything really hurts its use as a long range weapon, not to mention its projectile travel time. I do like the charge though. Nothing like running around like an idiot doing headshot drivebys. The claymore, well, yeah. It is a case of apples and oranges between them, but when it comes down to it, it is hard to justify the dps difference during any short to mid range fighting when both weapons are reload cancelled but equal weight, even considering the freedom of accesories the crusader has on claymore. Claymore is generally better but scales worse at range and higher difficulties.

I think the saber is a mixed bag as the accuracy difference is negligible but the damage difference isn't. The ability to have a much larger clip probably makes up for that. I think it comes down to the piercing and the hipfire, giving the edge to the crusader over saber.

With all that said, I do generally agree that the weight of the crusader (or black widow, being non-identical twins) justifies it's usage over a lot of the previously mentioned weapons. It didn't get mentioned but i really can't make a reasonable argument as to why the paladin has around a 150% difference in recharge time over crusader for a not huge performance difference.

[FasterThanFTL]

The gun is great now, it sucked before I agree but not now, yeah the weight could be decreased but I see no point to decreasing the weight, it will still remain the same difficult to aim gun as it has always been, but for those that can aim great, the Crusader hits like a truck.

[Shampoohorn]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Just fix the aim/lag thingy and it'll own.

Working as intended.

[Najarati]

I like it because it has a decent magazine size, a large reserve (50 rounds at rank 7 with Spare Thermal Clip mod), a quick reload, good damage, and functions well at all ranges. The downsides are its weight, recoil, and the way its aim functions. It's not a weapon for every kit.

I like modding it with the Shotgun High-Velocity Barrel and Shotgun Spare Thermal Clip.

[Randomical]

I quite enjoy using Crusader on Turian Sentinel. Stability bonuses make this gun awesome.

[ThatOddGuy]

I still think it should throw mooks around..

[Kenadian]

Noahsun wrote...

The graalClaymore seems like a much better option if you want a long range shotgun

Double fixed.

[SeanThen1]

I'd like it to be the UR version of the raider. Drop the refire speed to near 0 and boom. Done.

[Sparbiter]

The paladin pistol is another good comparison that I totally missed. I don't have the stats right now but I'll put them up either tonight or tomorrow.

[joker_jack]

Shampoohorn wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Just fix the aim/lag thingy and it'll own.

Working as intended.

nope

[KR4U55]

Generally speaking, people that top scores with the Crusader can top score with freakin' ANYTHING. The Crusader does fine damage, but weights too much, it's nearly useless on most classes and weapon platforms can find much better alternatives.