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[Sparbiter]

The raider doesn't compare. The least accurate shotgun vs the "most" accurate. an ultra rare raider would be fine, but the raider itself is already fantastic. In either case, the crusader isn't that gun

[Horace530]

Some people says the crusader or the eagle is OK when at level 5 or above, and I did now have it at 5, thanks to the RNG=.=.
But what I wanna say is that, guns in Mass Effect don't have some ridiculous upgrade curve! Only number of Spare rounds could be slightly affect by the decimals, but even though a gun that is good should be good at Level 1. but not after a certain level.
Morever, even for those who have got these crappy promotional guns at high level, it's almost sure that they;re all high level veterans. And we have tons of choice beside the crusader.

I gotta admit that the Crusader is still good with the HVB and the Omni-blade, but that's only for raw weapon classes. For most case I would still rather go for the GPS or the GST .

[fleebag7]

If you're accurate it is a headshot machine. I put it on my batarians quite a bit.

[SPAC3G0ST]

Ashen Earth wrote...

As much as I complain about constantly getting Crusader upgrades in my commendation packs, it's actually a decent weapon after all of the buffs.

thats how i feel. i just started using this weapon like 2 weeks ago and its def broken with non registering hits to the face but when you do land one it sure is sweet to see a head or two explode. heavy yes... but the more i play this game the less i care about CD (on most classes).

oh BTW Diciple X ALL DAY !!

Modifié par SPAC3G0ST, 22 décembre 2012 - 06:52 .

[N7-RedFox]

I could deal with the weight and damage of the Crusader. It's the sh***y hit detection that leaves it on the shelf for me.

[DJ Airsurfer]

I dunno if I said this earlier, but it should weigh as much as the Graal. If not less.

[Nitrocuban]

Hymmnos wrote...

I'm sure it would be used more often if it didn't weigh as much as a brute.

Gotta be one really fat Brute with his whole family. In a van.

[Cette]

If it weighed the same as a Graal I'd eat it on toast every day for breakfast.

[Zaidra]

Hymmnos wrote...

I'm sure it would be used more often if it didn't weigh as much as a brute.

[Hirosama_White-PR]

Yeah this weapon needs its weight reduced.

[Hellfire257]

I have no problem with it. It is very good for head popping.

[ThatOddGuy]

Reducing it's weight only puts it into a weight class in which it competes with GPS, GST, and Raider, and Reegar... rather than Claymore. Let's just face it, reducing its weight wont fill a niche. That niche is filled, and even BETTEr filled by the Wraith and, at that point, Talon/Paladin, Saber......

This is a promotional weapon, it should be unique. Give it a 500-1000N force! I mean, it's firing the heaviest ammunition in the game aside from projectiles. This would maybe even justify the gimped accuracy. Stagger brutes with it! That might just make people use it. It's the only reason people use the Kishock... aside from being the only single-shot sniper than avoids shield gate (why the Javelin doesn't, I will never understand).

[DarkseidXIII]

Hymmnos wrote...

I'm sure it would be used more often if it didn't weigh as much as a brute.

My Crusader X gives 64% recharge on a caster. Superior range to all shotguns. superior versatility to all sniper rifles. I think higher damage per shot than all pistols. Armor piercing. Nough said.

[cgj]

Ashen Earth wrote...

As much as I complain about constantly getting Crusader upgrades in my commendation packs, it's actually a decent weapon after all of the buffs.

that's the problem
it's a promo weapon and after several buffs it's only decent and won't be used on most classes cause of the weight

[Swarlos1713]

Zero132132 wrote...

I don't know what you're talking about. I've taken this thing to a Gold match on a Volus Engineer and been fine.

EDIT: Just to be clear, the statement was simultaneously entirely true, and also a joke. I hate my Crusader X. I have nightmares about weekend ops giving me Crusader XIs.

You forgot to mention that this was an all Volus with Crusaders game against Cerberus on Condor.  It worked well for head shotting mooks after my Volus Adept stasis-ed them, despite the ridiculous cool down. 

[PerplexedSquirrel]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

Reducing it's weight only puts it into a weight class in which it competes with GPS, GST, and Raider, and Reegar... rather than Claymore. Let's just face it, reducing its weight wont fill a niche. That niche is filled, and even BETTEr filled by the Wraith and, at that point, Talon/Paladin, Saber......

This is a promotional weapon, it should be unique. Give it a 500-1000N force! I mean, it's firing the heaviest ammunition in the game aside from projectiles. This would maybe even justify the gimped accuracy. Stagger brutes with it! That might just make people use it. It's the only reason people use the Kishock... aside from being the only single-shot sniper than avoids shield gate (why the Javelin doesn't, I will never understand).

But it's better than all those...?

Situationally maybe not but if I had to say what wins overall in those comparisons, it would still be crusader.  It's really just it's massive weight disparity doesn't justify how much better it is.  Theres a pretty wide stretch of recharge time between where raider, grall, and reegar are and the cooldown oblivion that is claymore that crusader should occupy.  Something like 30 higher than claymore, 30 less than raider.  Also the stagger level for a bronze brute is 1000.  So for it to stagger anything it wouldn't just kill in two shots anyway in gold or plat, you'd be talking at least 1500ish with a bunch of velocity enhancing tools (assuming that equals more force, could be wrong).  Any gun that did the sort of damage the crusader already does that can stagger brutes, atlases, or scions or praetorians would pretty much be the only gun any would ever bother with.

If anything bioware should just fix the disciple so it functioned like they originally intended it to, at least a stagger on midlevels and a fling on infantry.  Still don't think it would be any one's favorite but at least it wouldn't be so confusing why a such a cool looking rare wasn't way worse than an uncommon shotty that weighs an iota more than it.

[cgj]

PerplexedSquirrel wrote...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

Reducing it's weight only puts it into a weight class in which it competes with GPS, GST, and Raider, and Reegar... rather than Claymore. Let's just face it, reducing its weight wont fill a niche. That niche is filled, and even BETTEr filled by the Wraith and, at that point, Talon/Paladin, Saber......

This is a promotional weapon, it should be unique. Give it a 500-1000N force! I mean, it's firing the heaviest ammunition in the game aside from projectiles. This would maybe even justify the gimped accuracy. Stagger brutes with it! That might just make people use it. It's the only reason people use the Kishock... aside from being the only single-shot sniper than avoids shield gate (why the Javelin doesn't, I will never understand).

But it's better than all those...?

Situationally maybe not but if I had to say what wins overall in those comparisons, it would still be crusader.

haha,
maybe if we want to be kind with the crusader we can say that situationally it's slighty better than the above
the only things it could compete with are the GST and the paladin

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Just fix the aim/lag thingy and it'll own.

Weight is a big thing, but wonky aim is even moreso.

[Philonius]

I use my Crusader II (High Velocity Barrel, Spare Clip) on my Demolisher with Grenade Capacity V (11 total frags), Cerberus Harrier I (Extended Ammunition, Armor Piercing Mod), Shotgun Amp III, Disruptor ammo I and an Adrenaline Mod.

You can literally headshot enemies across the map with that damn shotgun. Gets four shots and reloads as fast as a pistol. With 11 Arc Grenades/Homing Grenades NOTHING gets close to me. That gun was designed to be a hybrid shotgun. It's like a Black Widow and a Claymore went out for drinks and spent the night. The end result is the Crusader. I love that gun...

[MIA115]

I use it on my Demolisher for hard targets at any range. It is pinpoint accurate, has innate penetration, and is relatively quick.

[121210Olivia]

I have it at VI. I grinded with it on Silver to help achieve Streetsweeper. Severe class-restricting weight issues aside: it was great fun.

Impressed, I took it home with me to Gold (I hadn't used it at all before the challenges, due to its' excessive weight)...

...found the experience wasn't anywhere near as good, i.e., it took too long to dispatch ALL Cerburus units and cost me more consumables (medi-gel and op-survivals) than usual.

In sum (Gold), imo, effective against guardians, atlases and turrets. Not so effective (for many of the reasons stated in this thread) against everything else.

I haven't tried hip-firing with it--maybe that will change things.

[Mr Awesome 0ne]

Wraith X - FTW!

[PerplexedSquirrel]

cgj wrote...

PerplexedSquirrel wrote...

ThatOddGuy wrote...

Reducing it's weight only puts it into a weight class in which it competes with GPS, GST, and Raider, and Reegar... rather than Claymore. Let's just face it, reducing its weight wont fill a niche. That niche is filled, and even BETTEr filled by the Wraith and, at that point, Talon/Paladin, Saber......

This is a promotional weapon, it should be unique. Give it a 500-1000N force! I mean, it's firing the heaviest ammunition in the game aside from projectiles. This would maybe even justify the gimped accuracy. Stagger brutes with it! That might just make people use it. It's the only reason people use the Kishock... aside from being the only single-shot sniper than avoids shield gate (why the Javelin doesn't, I will never understand).

But it's better than all those...?

Situationally maybe not but if I had to say what wins overall in those comparisons, it would still be crusader.

haha,
maybe if we want to be kind with the crusader we can say that situationally it's slighty better than the above
the only things it could compete with are the GST and the paladin

If you're not outright outdamaging talon, paladin, wraith, then I'm not sure whats going on.  The others are all in betweens that usually end up with crusader doing better overall.  Up close, theres no contest that reegar and raider are better.  Otherwise, well no.  The gps is a little more iffy, but the lack of headshots and pentration hurt a lot.  Saber and grall are probably the two most questionable.  Grall does quite a bit more damage at the cost of one round per mag but the projectile travel issue/spread at range without a smart choke and lack of penetration hurt it quite a bit at long range.  Saber's lack of reloading with magazine upgrade is admittedly pretty nice, though someone muted if you're reload cancelling anyway.  Natural pentration and hipfire at close range are nice too.  Still saber is probably the most borderline in general performance levels.

All this being said, most of the comparisons are still better weapons pound for pound. Crusader is a lotta pounds.

[ThatOddGuy]

This is exactly why a weight change doesn't make a lot of sense for this weapon.

GPS and Graal are very comparable weapons for killing capacity. Sure there are differences in DPS, but the Graal's headshot modifier is a big factor IMO, and has the exact same aiming lag as the Crusader seems to have. Crusader ALSO has the same problem as the Javelin, where direct hits don't register for some odd reason (a known issue).

The GPS is harder to compare because it is easy mode. The only thing Crusader has over these two weapons is penetration. It has headshots over GPS, but GPS can hit things. Graal is better for headshots. Specifically, it is THE best headshot shotgun.

Pound for pound, I still choose Graal/GPS if Crusader was the same weight. Saber weighs the same as these weapons, but most people aren't at X, so it's a bit heavier. Not a big fan of Saber (prefer Paladin), but that's another topic that owns its own thread. I'd say Crusader and Saber compare well... but Saber is lighter.

Talon/Paladin, I'll admit, were somewhat pointless to mention. HOWEVER, pistols have a very very good and relevant set of mods.

And hey, if you want MORE force for Crusader, then sure! But I think mook flinging is priority. One clip of Crusader does not kill Brutes, though... unless you are using Adrenaline Rush or Tactical Cloak... on ... bronze........ kind of a bad comparison... ...

I just don't like the Crusader's awkwardhit detection and therefore requirement of stun. An added force justifies this accuracy issue, and it makes sense. IT'S A SLUG! Decreasing the weight is just... nyeh...