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[heybigmoney]

Fix the delay and weight and it would be pretty great.

[Arppis]

I actualy use Crusader now and then, the weight DOES suck, but the gun is great.

If you suck with the gun, you aren't using it correctly, just like I am most likely not using Talon correctly as I suck with it. There must be some hidden wrist movement when playing or something that makes Talon work! DAMNIT!

But basicaly, yeah I top the scores with Crusader. It owns.

Modifié par Arppis, 23 décembre 2012 - 07:32 .

[koschwarz74]

Not many weapon i just can not master...this is one of them. That hit detection...fail.

[solidprice]

I do admit it dose need some more love.
more damage, spare ammo to 40, less weight , higher headshot damage would help it out.

[PerplexedSquirrel]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

This is exactly why a weight change doesn't make a lot of sense for this weapon.

GPS and Graal are very comparable weapons for killing capacity. Sure there are differences in DPS, but the Graal's headshot modifier is a big factor IMO, and has the exact same aiming lag as the Crusader seems to have. Crusader ALSO has the same problem as the Javelin, where direct hits don't register for some odd reason (a known issue).

The GPS is harder to compare because it is easy mode. The only thing Crusader has over these two weapons is penetration. It has headshots over GPS, but GPS can hit things. Graal is better for headshots. Specifically, it is THE best headshot shotgun.

Pound for pound, I still choose Graal/GPS if Crusader was the same weight. Saber weighs the same as these weapons, but most people aren't at X, so it's a bit heavier. Not a big fan of Saber (prefer Paladin), but that's another topic that owns its own thread. I'd say Crusader and Saber compare well... but Saber is lighter.

Talon/Paladin, I'll admit, were somewhat pointless to mention. HOWEVER, pistols have a very very good and relevant set of mods.

And hey, if you want MORE force for Crusader, then sure! But I think mook flinging is priority. One clip of Crusader does not kill Brutes, though... unless you are using Adrenaline Rush or Tactical Cloak... on ... bronze........ kind of a bad comparison... ...

I just don't like the Crusader's awkwardhit detection and therefore requirement of stun. An added force justifies this accuracy issue, and it makes sense. IT'S A SLUG! Decreasing the weight is just... nyeh...

I'd argue that the travel time on grall is a lot more of a downside than the crusader shot lag thing people talk about but really it might just be one of those things, similarly to what arrpis is saying.  Not sucking though, just acclimation.  I'm okay with grall but quite accurate with crusader.  Maybe I've just used it so much, I automatically compensate for the downside.

I guess I wouldn't mind a bit of force just don't really see the point.  Usually 1-2 (depending on shields) or possibly warp ammoed headshots on primed targets will take out most infantry anyway.  Might not be the best solution, I just don't know what else bioware would do besides weight.  Much more damage is a pretty risky proposition.  I kinda doubt they'd ever do something like the force increase, even if it was something as patchy as say a chance to stagger.  Maybe an increased headshot bonus?  Does kind of go with its "experts only" weapon description.

Also, I randomly don't like the saber as well.  Seems like I should, cause it's in the same family as black widow and crusader.  I can't put my figure on why though.

[ThatOddGuy]

You don't like the Saber because it's a bad weapon, and it should feel bad.

[BiO]

I think the main point people are missing with the Crusader is that it's refire time is very quick, so while it's single-shot damage isn't that great, it's DPS when spamming the trigger is competitive with the other great weapons (of course, this is for bosses, and bullet-sponge mooks, for the rest of the minions, headshots will do the job just fine.).

As for why it's never used in pubs... well actually in my pub games, I see it quite often, and the pubs that use it will generally do quite well. But in regards to your experience of not seeing it, it's most likely because it requires 'skill' to use, and most people would just prefer to use the hard-tested guns like the Claymore and the Harrier, which work well will little to no effort involved.

[ValorOfArms777]

Accuracy rating even when hip fires is extreme pin point, the gun can 4 shot burst quickly leaving all 4 shots able to be fired from a TC "boost" resulting in a a interesting quad shot killer from a cloak, it can speedily be a infiltrators best friend more than ya think, also due to the lack of scope that can be handy\\

if you need a good class to use it on try a inflitrator that has no power dependancy... cloak then rapid fire it at a atlas... (don't aim it) also it auto pierce up to I think equal distance as the widow not the BW but the widow

Modifié par ValorOfArms777, 23 décembre 2012 - 01:05 .

[Sojiro888]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Just fix the aim/lag thingy and it'll own.

Weight is a big thing, but wonky aim is even moreso.

This.

When I first started a little solo game to try it out for a few waves, I owned, and managed to go way farther than I thought (since it was just a test, I wasn't using any consumable). Tears things apart at close range, can line up head shots to slaughter all mooks even at range when I'm bunkered down to do an objective, and even though I had to deal with the armored bosses on my own it didn't take forever to kill them. An all around joy to use.

Then when I actually started using it in games, I sucked. It was obviously an awesomely accurate gun (i had even tried it!) but I would routinely miss easy shots. Trivial shots. Immobile mooks with their head peeking out of cover, or even point blank torso shots. How could I miss those! But I did.
At first I thought I just plain sucked too much to use it, but now that it's been pointed out, those were all on games when I was not host.


I think this fills a niche by being a shotgun that doesn't behave like a shotgun. Since my only melee accessory is the shotgun blade and my melee powerhouse can kill anything in close range with the pimp-slaps of doom (Falcon Punches are fine too), I don't need a close range weapon like a shotgun to kill stuff, but I do need it as a club to bash people's head in and slice them apart with the bayonette. And with this one, I can do that and have a weapon usable at range when I can't be bothered to run up to them or when I need to stay put to help on the objective.
Additionally, it can behave as a sniper rifle without hip fire penalty (like the harpoon gun!), so instead of taking both a Black Widow/Valiant and a side arm, you can just take a Crusader. Which is relatively light compared to what you'd need to get that sort of damage at short range (Carnifex or Wraith, I'd think). And you can use the Crusader to make use of Shotgun amps for your sniping character.
Another thing I like is that its small innate cover penetration & single pellet firing gives it a benefit similar to a shredder mod, same thing for its large-ish ammo reserves and spare clips mods, as well as its excellent accuracy and the smart choke. So you can put something else on top, or even add one of those to further enhance the effect.

So I think it's interesting. Not really as powerful as the other weapons of a similar weight (especially considering its rarity), and seriously gimped by the aiming problems. But it has potentiatial and can be used to do things other guns won't do.

[SandeProElite]

Needs a weight reduction.

[UEG Donkey]

Arppis wrote...

I actualy use Crusader now and then, the weight DOES suck, but the gun is great.

If you suck with the gun, you aren't using it correctly, just like I am most likely not using Talon correctly as I suck with it. There must be some hidden wrist movement when playing or something that makes Talon work! DAMNIT!

But basicaly, yeah I top the scores with Crusader. It owns.

Try snapping in and out of your shots, scoping in, shot, release, scope in shot release. 

[INFINITY650]

It actually works pretty good on a Inf. against bosses and dragoons, pyros, things like that. The fast moving enemies, can be a pain. I would like to see it have wayyyyyy less recoil, that would help immensely. I actually like the gun mine is a 7 and it wrecks armor units, which of course helps that they are so damn slow!

[PerplexedSquirrel]

BiO_MaN wrote...

I think the main point people are missing with the Crusader is that it's refire time is very quick, so while it's single-shot damage isn't that great, it's DPS when spamming the trigger is competitive with the other great weapons (of course, this is for bosses, and bullet-sponge mooks, for the rest of the minions, headshots will do the job just fine.).

As for why it's never used in pubs... well actually in my pub games, I see it quite often, and the pubs that use it will generally do quite well. But in regards to your experience of not seeing it, it's most likely because it requires 'skill' to use, and most people would just prefer to use the hard-tested guns like the Claymore and the Harrier, which work well will little to no effort involved.

Yeah, same reason the wraith, which seems like it should be good for it's weight, is just not.

[Sailears]

SandeProElite wrote...

Needs a weight reduction.

Yeah I can't justify that weight at all, way too heavy for what it does. I like using it, but it doesn't do any favours for power focused classes.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

ThatOddGuy wrote...

You don't like the Saber because it's a bad weapon, and it should feel bad.

Hahaha.

[DarkseidXIII]

Head shot damage bonus is all this amazing gun needs. The ability to dual wield would be nice to. I recently used it on MHI melee build with HVB/OmniBlade. FUN.

[Sparbiter]

Recoil, inconsistent hit detection or spread, lack of spare ammo, and weight. These are 4 of the 5 "gun killers" (low damage being 5). The crusader suffers from those deficiencies worse than any gun, I wager

[Kenadian]

Sparbiter wrote...

Recoil, inconsistent hit detection or spread, lack of spare ammo, and weight. These are 4 of the 5 "gun killers" (low damage being 5). The crusader suffers from those deficiencies worse than any gun, I wager

Hardly suffers from ammo. Like the GPS and Graal, the only reason to not take the spare ammo mod is if you're using a melee mod. HVB + Clips is all you need.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I have tonnes of fun playing with a Crusader. I don't know how the math works, but on my Vorcha Sentinel, I regularly find it does far more damage than any other weapon I have against bosses (it's half the level of my Valiant, which needs more than twice as many shots to take down a brute). It one shot kills any troopers I shoot. It took a while to get the hang of using it, but I does a great job for me.

[Sparbiter]

HVB doesnt help the weight issue though.

[hostaman]

For anyone who can't reload cancel (myself) it is one of a small pool of shotguns that actually work.

It's my second favourite shotgun after the Pirhanna, and the best shotgun for shooting across the map, in fact it's better at middle distance and long distance than it is close up - weird but true.
I DO use it in Gold matches, and don't completely suck. It works well against Reapers especially.

I just wish the weekend ops would give me a Crusader II rather than more Eagles!

[Reizo Ryuu]

I used it a bit on my FQI on platinum, and while I had to get used to it, I actually ended up loving the gun. It just rips apart bosses so it feels right at home on plat.

Modifié par Reizo Ryuu, 23 décembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[Kenadian]

Sparbiter wrote...

HVB doesnt help the weight issue though.

HVB adds no weight to non-DLC guns.

[E_rik]

Crusader is probably my absolute favorite gun in the game. Yeah, it actually requires skill and has a pretty nasty learning curve and your first game with it you'll probably not do so well. It kicks like a mule, requires accuracy and you have to learn how to re-aim yourself if your using it at longer ranges. But the sheer damage and hell you can unleash with this thing is worth the time teaching yourself.

http://social.biowar.../index/15380026 <-See this thread about my latest encounters with this great weapon.

[Najarati]

Reizo Ryuu wrote...

I used it a bit on my FQI on platinum, and while I had to get used to it, I actually ended up loving the gun. It just rips apart bosses so it feels right at home on plat.

The FQI is my favorite kit to equip with the Crusader.