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[Bhatair]

PureGeth wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

I've tried the Asari Adept, with builds other than Warp>Throw (since the Human Sentinel does that better). Stasis>Throw is completely ineffective against armored targets. Speccing for both Stasis and Warp is ineffective against anything.

What am I doing wrong? These powers just seem to be a really bad combination together.

Then, there's the Phoenix Adept. The Vanguard is fine, with a viable build that involves the ability that his counterpart doesn't have. I've tried speccing into singularity on the Adept, and I can only conclude that it's a totally useless class. Singularity is a mediocre power against anything with armor, and Lash is awesome, but has no synergy with Singularity. A Smash and Lash build seems really pointless, considering his bro the Vanguard has both those abilities.

Is there any good build for the Phoenix Adept that involves Singularity?

Stasis doesn't work on armor.

Don't get Singularity with the Phoenix. Spec Lash to hit through shields, Lash them towards you and then Smash them when they're close or through walls. This guy cannot take a hit head on due to Smash's long cast time.

No reason to skip singularity, it primes everything for BEs now which is potential for mega burst damage with smash. Trying to land a lash > smash combo reliably is a waste of time, really. Smash them if they land close but generally you should just singularity and shoot, or singularity and lash for a BE.

Use animation cancelling every time you smash. After the whips go over your head you can cancel out with a side roll or heavy melee. The power will still go off and you skip the rest of smashes animation.

[darkpassenger2342]

this^ i agree, what are you skipping singularity for? 10% weapon damage and 15% power bonus? for real?

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 21 décembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[Uchimura]

^ agree with above. I use Phoenix Adept on platinum and skip Lash completely. Singularity owns Phantoms too.

[Eriseley]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Eriseley wrote...

Am I the only person that does a melee phoenix adept? (skip Lash, melee fitness)

Vanguard makes for a better melee Phoenix in my opinion. But I can see a melee adept build working.

Agreed, but basically I find no use for Lash...and I can get by without full health Fitness. The melee comes in handy sometimes and Singularity can set up a nice grouping.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

The Sin wrote...

This game is too focused on shooting..so power based & melee based classes generally suck

Yes, if you are used to playing shooty classes I can understand why you'd say adepts suck.  They are underpowered compared to the game gods shooty classes.

For both the human adept and assari adept skip the passive and max power and fitness.  Power damage has a negligible effect on your damage as most of your damage will from biotic explosions.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 21 décembre 2012 - 08:11 .

[ArcaptSSX]

joker_jack wrote...

The other asari have some type of defencive mechinism that help fill in the gap of the squishiness. The AA lacks that. The fury just runs by mobs and they explode. The AA runs by a mob and is sure to rag doll. 

As for the slasher, he has some the best power synergy I've seen in these adepts kits. You have a rather large arsonal of ways to self detonate. Lash on the slasher is about the only kit I can say it's not only useful, but essential.

Stasis is it, and useful against perhaps the most problematic foe in the game, the Phantom. The compensation is weakness against the Dragoons infortunately.
I find that the biggest skill an adept such as human, asari, phoenix or krogan can acquire is getting HS with a good heavy pistol (Arc Pistol~Paladin > Carnifex; + take the HS bonus in racials), or having an AoE stagger weapon (Scorpion, typically). The focus on the Acolyte these months has probably made them more vulnerable against dragoons, bombers and most of the Collector units(because of the -33% combo penalty).

Modifié par JohnBobbyTheThird, 21 décembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[PerplexedSquirrel]

How any one could take lash over singularity baffles me. Singularity is the swiss army knife of biotic powers. Incapacitate mooks? check. Prime and detonate (everybody takes the detonate evo right?) all enemies? check. Isn't effected by dodges like most projectile powers? check. The old singularity was meh but the current version is ridiculous.

Lash has the worst damn animation in the game that renders it weak in terms of dps contribution and leaves you vulnerable if you try and target anything at a distance. The only thing lash has going for it is detonating unarmored targets with singularity. But why sacrifice points for so narrow a purpose? If it's at range singularity that same enemy and use your warp ammoed weapon of choice to pop his shields off and dot/explosion/teammates will do the rest if you don't want to waste another bullet.

Just a general note on adepts. Don't think of them solely as power users. I admit I used to do that with phoenix adept back when you could smash nonstop and I just carried around a acolyte to strip shields but I do way better now with an with any of the stronger pistols or maybe a wraith. Warp ammo, especially with any of them that have reave or singularity, or dark channel) makes them beastly dps machines when your intermittently exploding the crap out of things.

[DJ Airsurfer]

doozerdude wrote...

Point is, don't skip powers, use them together.

Asdept:
-Mook: Stasis->Carnifexheadshot
-Boss: Warp->Throw


Phoenix:
-Mook (group): Singu->Lash/Smahs depending how close
-Mook (single): Lash->melee
-Boss: Singu->Smash

Aha, here's the problem!

[T41rdEye]

I don't understand the adept hate, particularly Asari. Even as the only biotic, I can dominate matches. My personal high score in a four-person match was with an AA. She has an answer to everything.

My strategy is to equip a Carnifex or Paladin, I go Paladin X with extended mag and headshot barrel. Bubble for Stasis for crowd control in chokepoints and Phantoms. Any non-armored human sized mooks are dead in 2 or 3 shots. This isn't even the bread and butter of this build. I go long periods without even firing it.

Warp specced with the usual detonate, expose, but I go recharge 6b. The 2.2 sec recharge will allow you to detonate warped targets constantly. That's high AoE damage every 2sec. Atlas' and Primes are best for this... Ignore the mooks if they're around them. This is where you can dominate. Warp+Throw as fast as you can. Any mook dumb enough to be near your "pylon" will be caught in the radius.

Save stasis for Phantoms or when shielded mooks get too close. The pistol scope is unnecessary. Just aim for the head. This may seem like 101 stuff, but when I see AAs in pugs I should be hearing BEs constantly. I don't. I hear gun fire and the occasional warp or throw.

The Justicar is more diverse as far as builds go. She is a beast as well. Human adepts? Wow, they are juggernauts with the new singularity and DATMELEE.

I swear I'm playing a different game than some of you. Lone biotics need to stay near cover though, except the shaman of course. Biotic squads decimate everything when properly coordinated.

Many of you will say... Well duh! But apparently its not sinking in with some people.

[Major Durza]

There is nothing the PA can do that the HA can't do better.
Singularity is an excellent primer for armored targets, follow up with Smash for some intense damage. Lash is a good detonator for when you have a shielded or unshielded target in Singularity's field.

AA is sorta a one trick pony, excellent against Phantoms for the Stasis BE.
Needs a 6/6/6/x/x build, for maximum power BE's whether you prime with Stasis(Nonarmored) or Warp. Since both warp and throw have BE evos, is can be quite effective against single targets that do not dodge frequently.

HSe can't do stasis, that is basically the only thing that the AA has on him/her, and the AA VS HSe has been debated since the demo days, less so now since BE's have been outclassed by weapons and more recently tech powers.

Drell and Human adepts are excellent spawn nukers.
Shaman is an excellent class, just gotta learn his pattern.
Slasher is apparently great against Reapers by synergy
AJA is pretty close to being an Asari Soldier.
PA is.... tempermental.
And AA + Carnifex = classic.

They do not suck, keep trying and see how they work out

[Creator Limbs]

 This topic offends me on the deepest possible level.

[T41rdEye]

Don't explode Stasis'd enemies! Headshot them with punchy weapons! I HATE when people pepper my stasis'd phantoms with automatic weapons or explode them. Its a weak explosion and she would have been dead in 2 or 3 shots.

For once I'd like to see someone headshot enemies when i stasis them. The max shots a stasis'd enemy can take is 3 before breaking and falling over. I appreciate when people actually try to help each other, but this irks me.

[ArcaptSSX]

Me1mN0t wrote...


Save stasis for Phantoms or when shielded mooks get too close. The pistol scope is unnecessary. Just aim for the head. This may seem like 101 stuff, but when I see AAs in pugs I should be hearing BEs constantly. I don't. I hear gun fire and the occasional warp or throw.

 

I agree with you but on this point, i don't feel BEs are all that necessary or even fast enough to clear mooks, compared to Paladin X/APistol X headshots.
Most mooks are down in 2 HS (1st shot shieldgates, 2n kills). Even plat dragoons require only 2 HS + Warp, though a BE is indeed safer on them! The latest games i've done as a Paladin-wielding HA/AA have been more around 50 pistol kills/30 BEs than the reverse.

Modifié par JohnBobbyTheThird, 21 décembre 2012 - 09:02 .

[Airealite]

Amnesiotic wrote...

BurningLiquor wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

Amnesiotic wrote...

Stasis doesn't even work on Armor.

WOW?!? REALLY?!?

I'm sorry, I can't take you seriously, OP.

I mean, if OP doesn't realize that there's synergy between Singularity and Lash...

[Bhatair]

Uchimura wrote...

^ agree with above. I use Phoenix Adept on platinum and skip Lash completely. Singularity owns Phantoms too.

Yeah I could see skipping lash if you're going for a platinum build. Personally I just prefer gold though. Besides I kind of like lash.


Edit: And personally I avoid the vanilla human adept because of the shockwave radius bug on PC. I just would rather use it with radius because it feels way too narrow without it, but losing the ability to shockwave altogether is pretty much gamebreaking.

Modifié par Bhatair, 21 décembre 2012 - 09:08 .

[Vilyn117]

Don't listen to these guys. You can easily stasis most units with armor, you just need to have it specced correctly and delete the win32 folder on your pc.

[corporal doody]

Bhatair wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

^ agree with above. I use Phoenix Adept on platinum and skip Lash completely. Singularity owns Phantoms too.

Yeah I could see skipping lash if you're going for a platinum build. Personally I just prefer gold though. Besides I kind of like lash.


Edit: And personally I avoid the vanilla human adept because of the shockwave radius bug on PC. I just would rather use it with radius because it feels way too narrow without it, but losing the ability to shockwave altogether is pretty much gamebreaking.

i like dropping a singularity on the top of a ladder....then hitting smash as a baddy gets to the top. Hilarity ensues.

[Red the Aloof]

I enjoy using the Phoenix adept with a 6/6/6/6/0 build with a scorpion.

I constantly set off tech burst against regular enemies with scorpion and lash (They fly towards you and gib mid air!) Anything big gets singularity/smash. Anything with no shields get's a singularity.

Favorite combo of mine. Singularity on a Phantom (hand denial), three scorpion shots on her, unblock hand and gets staggered, lash for biotic boom

[Uchimura]

Bhatair wrote...

Uchimura wrote...

^ agree with above. I use Phoenix Adept on platinum and skip Lash completely. Singularity owns Phantoms too.

Yeah I could see skipping lash if you're going for a platinum build. Personally I just prefer gold though. Besides I kind of like lash.


Edit: And personally I avoid the vanilla human adept because of the shockwave radius bug on PC. I just would rather use it with radius because it feels way too narrow without it, but losing the ability to shockwave altogether is pretty much gamebreaking.

Yea, I can't stand shockwave in its current form. Using it at range/mid range is like threading a needle and they can still dodge it. Its damage also feels like I'm throwing loaves of bread at them.

Modifié par Uchimura, 21 décembre 2012 - 09:33 .

[Zero132132]

Put 3 points in lash, and the force is high enough to stagger every enemy on Gold and almost every enemy on Platinum.

Also, no. Adepts aren't underpowered.

Protip: you can use weapons on ANY class, so don't pretend that power usage is the exclusive feature of so-called 'caster' classes. Every class in the game has both powers and weapons. Every class in the game does better when using both to complement each other.

[Ledgend1221]

The phoenix adept is one of the best there is.

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

I run the PA with lash speced out of and max smash and max singularity. He's a mid-range smashing machine, and armor be damned.

[PerplexedSquirrel]

The Krauser wrote...

I run the PA with lash speced out of and max smash and max singularity. He's a mid-range smashing machine, and armor be damned.

Yeah, smash is one of the few skils I actually bother with power amp.  Other biotic skills are so explosion dependant for damage.  Smash just says "screw that crap, I'll do it my self."

Well maybe singularity will but blow it up but it's not like he needs it.  This all makes slightly more sense if you know that my phoenix adept is named Smash Thompson and I'm moderately innebriated.

[billy the squid]

Adepts are good. You need to learn how to use them, and singularity after the buffs is very good.Best ones I've found are Drell, Human, Phoenix, and Fury. Although they can struggle with armour at times. (Even though I prefer Soldiers, Inf. and Sentinels)

The Drell Adept has very low Biotic barriers so I spec out of fitness and spam area pull, area Reave with pierce and lift grenades. Using Commando V gear. He is awesome, especially with the extra damage reduction from Reave. Use a Talon with Pen mod. and High Cal. barrel if you have it, for armour.

Human, Talon to strip the shields. Spam singularity at the largest grp hit them with warp and spec for biotic explosions on both powers. Also Warp select armour weaken for when you get caught having to take on armour alone, makes your weapon more effective when combined with a pen mod.

Fury, nothing more to say really. Dark channel and pull for more survivability if you're not running a no fitness annihilation field character. Ether one works well.

Phoenix, since they nerfed smash I prefer singularity and lash. Lash also penetrates shields which makes it better than the human adept's warp vs most mooks. But a little less effective vs armour if you're caught on your own and have to use a weapon. Although Biotic explosion spamming is always my first choice.

All of these specing for damage and capacity give you a 197% cooldown even with a lower mrk of Talon or other weapon.

Modifié par billy the squid, 21 décembre 2012 - 11:21 .

[HolyAvenger]

Stasis is basically only a power to take down phantoms, I only spec 3 points into it.

Phoenixdept is pretty boss though, Smash hits very hard and through walls, Singularity is probably one of the best biotic powers in the game right now.