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[SamaraDraven]

As it's been pointed out to me by a friend, my own bias is showing. Of this I'm aware. This post is meant to highlight the characters that I think are relevant to the story, no matter what my regard for them may be. I've purposely kept what I don't like out of the post but to be more fair about everyone - even the ones I don't like - I've edited the post to be more general about those possibilities some characters offer..

I've seen many threads that ask "What would you like to see in DA3?" or "What companions would you like to have return?" and then, of course, there are The Wishlist threads where people give their personal roster of people they'd like to see in a Dragon Age game as either a guest star or full fledged companion.

It occurs to me that most of the characters we'd love to have reprise their roles, like Stroud and Charade, and others who have been around since the beginning, such as Isabela and Alistair may not have much to give the new story. More important than their popularity, is how much can they bring to Dragon Age Inquisition?

There are characters, like Cullen, Feynriel, Leliana and Jowan who have strong arguments for what they can offer to the story. The developers have stated we are indeed still dealing with the mage/templar conflict to some extent. To that end, I ask what characters can you see being relevant in DAIII? Love them or hate them, who do you think can contribute to the story and why?

For my part, I am a fan of Cullen and do think he has plenty to offer the new story. His background is undeveloped enough to play with and his attitude has been undergoing a metamorphosis since Origins. Given his experience and the potential for a gut wrenching tale, I think he could be a significant modifier to the game.

I would also really love to know what happened to Feynriel if you let him live. Will he return as a friend or a powerful foe? I don't think save game imports work that well but if we do have the ability to set the choices we made in DA2, I think the choice you made with him could provide a major interrupt to the story.

Lia, the little elf girl you save from the magistrate's son, was last reported to be interested in becoming a fighter like the Champion. I would love to see her again and see if she could be an ally or companion. The trouble is... how much does she add to the mage/templar conflict? Not much, sadly.

A character I can't stand is Anders. Given that he could be killed, having him back is problematic but if Bioware says he survived in their canon, I can see him coming back. I can see him being a significant game changer. As a leader of the mage rebellion, he could become a powerful ally or enemy. He is a conflicted character, to say the least  - much like Cullen now that I think about it. That inner conflict offers many opportunities for a story, despite my own personal reservations.

I also don't care much for Leliana but I fully expect to see her again. She makes too much sense not to return. Had she not a cameo in DAII, I wouldn't be inclined to think so. Now I have heard rumblings that she was shoe-horned into the game. I disagree. She was an Orlesian bard. She is very devout. These two things make her a perfect addition to the Divine's retinue and thus, put her at the center of the conflict. I will have to put up with her pontificating about the Maker and Fate because someone has to say it, right?

So... what are your thoughts? What characters do you think make the most sense to see again? Or is there someone that you want to see return and feel like the only who sees the one possibility that can make it plausible?

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 21 décembre 2012 - 09:26 .

[Plaintiff]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about characters that "made sense", but it's really an essay about who you personally do or don't like, and why.

If Bioware wants to include past characters, I imagine they'll find a way to make sense. Anything can happen between now and then.

[SamaraDraven]

It is what I think makes sense. And I deliberately didn't put too much effort into stating what I like and don't like about them but focused on what I thought they'd bring to the story. Take Leliana for instance. Do you know what I don't like about her? Then how is it an essay about why I don't like her? I said I don't. What I did spend time explaining, if you actually read my post, was how I think she'd fit far too well into the story. I really am looking to generate a good discussion. You can either contribute or move on.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 21 décembre 2012 - 08:10 .

[Plaintiff]

You talked about characters you "love" (Lia) and characters you can't stand (Anders and/or Jowan). Whether or not their inclusion in future games makes sense doesn't seem to come into it anywhere.

But since we don't know what the next game is actually about yet, there's no way to know who does or does not make sense in it.

[SamaraDraven]

We know that the devs have said we'll still be dealing with the mage/templar conflict and that it's set in Orlais. I said I'd love to know what happened to these characters. They pique my curiosity and I did give reasons as to why I think they'd fit in.

If this were a list of characters I love, then Varric, Aveline and Izzy would all be here and I'd be spouting BS about how they could fit. I mention characters that I can see having relevance to a mage/templar war storyline, regardless of whether I like them or not. Jowan, Lia, Feynriel - even Cullen - are pretty low on my list of all time favorite/least-favorite characters. I don't like Merrill but I see her having no relevance to such a story so I didn't mention her. Again, you leave me with the impression that all you are trying to do is troll my post. If that is not so, please chat, talk, stay awhile and offer constructive input.

[Minttymint]

You were a tad harsh on Anders there, to presume that he is under the control of Justice and is killing... I must admit that reading that displeased me very much.
Id rather not have any past companions back especially if they could be dead in some peoples games but I can see Anders fitting as he did the big boom. I think Cullen, while he does have so much to offer and can fit in- I dont think he fits as much as some other characters. Leliana is someone who will almost definitely have a place there as hinted at by the end of the second game. A lot of people want to see Morrigan in the next game but I... I dont quite understand why as to me her story is over, sure there's a lot of questions but not every question has or needs an answer. There is of course the OGB which for some didn't happen but whether it makes sense for this to play a role in DA3 I dont know. It is big enough to be the main plot of its own game but at the same time it depends on so much that it shouldn't be a plot at all.

[deuce985]

It's really hard to say since we have so little details on what's going on. However, I'll try to work with what we know(or think we know).

Cullen - For a character who isn't a companion, he showed good character development over two games. He went from a shy young Templar in DAO, to a Templar who took command and defied orders because he thought it was the right thing to do. We know very little of his background and if the Templars no longer exist in DA3, then it's logical to think that perhaps Cullen will take the banner of the Inquisition up.

Morrigan - I'm not sure how she can avoid what's going on. If the leaked unconfirmed info is right, the Veil is ripped and causing chaos in Thedas. Maybe Morrigan's path through the Eluvian somehow tore through the Veil? It's speculated the magisters of TI used the Eluvian's to corrupt the Maker's kingdom. Flemeth has had direct impact on two of the most important characters in Thedas so far. It seems like she will be somewhere in DA3 too.
Flemeth and Morrigan still have many unresolved plots and it's hard to think Morrigan/Flemeth have no place in the upcoming story.

Leliana - This is probably the most obvious answer. Gaider already said we'll have an explanation to her revival in DA2 and she's Justiana's right-hand. If you killed her in DAO she says in DA2, "it wasn't her time yet". Current setting will be Orlais and we'll being dealing with the conflict. Really, not much else needs to be said here. She will almost surely be in DA3.

IMO, those three characters make the most sense for me currently. I wouldn't be shocked to see a character from Asunder either. Maybe Cole? Ideally, I'd like two character as companions we're already familiar with in the DA universe. If we have 8 companions that leaves 6 new ones. That would be great, IMO. A character like Cullen we're already somewhat familiar with but he has plenty of potential for character growth.

Modifié par deuce985, 21 décembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[SamaraDraven]

MinttyMint wrote...

You were a tad harsh on Anders there, to presume that he is under the control of Justice and is killing... I must admit that reading that displeased me very much.
Id rather not have any past companions back especially if they could be dead in some peoples games but I can see Anders fitting as he did the big boom. I think Cullen, while he does have so much to offer and can fit in- I dont think he fits as much as some other characters. Leliana is someone who will almost definitely have a place there as hinted at by the end of the second game. A lot of people want to see Morrigan in the next game but I... I dont quite understand why as to me her story is over, sure there's a lot of questions but not every question has or needs an answer. There is of course the OGB which for some didn't happen but whether it makes sense for this to play a role in DA3 I dont know. It is big enough to be the main plot of its own game but at the same time it depends on so much that it shouldn't be a plot at all.

I realize that. I tried not to go overboard with the characters I love but forgot to to do the same with the characters I don't like. Despite not offering a list of "WHYs" I didn't give him that same impartiality as I gave Leliana. I have sinced edited it.

I'd rather not have old companions return either, but if anyone has a good reason to still be hanging around, it's Anders and Leliana. I can see them being NPCs though. Cullen too, could either be an NPC or companion. Really anyone who has relevance to the story could be an NPC while all the companions are fresh and new. But having a familiar face as one of the companions offers a connection to past games, regardless of relevance.

Personally, I love Morrigan but I do not see her having anything to contribute to the story. Not right now anyway. Unless the OGB is going to be a plot point, I doubt we'll see her again. If the OGB does return, I think it would have to be a huge part of the game such as - if it's a good - a major ally or THE main Bad Guy. It would almost need its own game to be done justice.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 21 décembre 2012 - 09:03 .

[frankf43]

Both Anders and Feynriel would cause problems bringing them back.
Anders could be alive or dead and Feynriel could be a dreamer or tranquil.

[SamaraDraven]

frankf43 wrote...

Both Anders and Feynriel would cause problems bringing them back.
Anders could be alive or dead and Feynriel could be a dreamer or tranquil.

Quite true! Bioware has surprised us before though.

[Fraq Hound]

I don't want to think about old characters I don't care about coming back.

Anders and Oghren were enough. They were both great in their original games but bringing them back just seemed like a wasted opportunity to meet someone new and interesting.

We don't know much about the story but given that the main protagonist is supposed to be an Inquisitor, my money is on some kind of Heretic/Criminal joining the party at some point.

You know to give us a glimpse of the problem from a different perspective.

[Huge_Beaver]

I don't care about sense as long as i can kill Cullen, i'm happy

[MisterJB]

Personally, I wish Feinryel would become an antagonist. Just once, I'd like to see an option to trust a mage backfiring.

[SamaraDraven]

Fraq Hound wrote...

I don't want to think about old characters I don't care about coming back.

Anders and Oghren were enough. They were both great in their original games but bringing them back just seemed like a wasted opportunity to meet someone new and interesting.

We don't know much about the story but given that the main protagonist is supposed to be an Inquisitor, my money is on some kind of Heretic/Criminal joining the party at some point.

You know to give us a glimpse of the problem from a different perspective.

Criminal association? I like! Not like a Zevran calibre of criminal but a real Bad Guy? Could be fun. What kind of background do you think such a character would have? Personally, I'd love to see what your PC has to say about being sadled with a believer of the Black Divine.

As a side note, I do love Ohgren. "Well fart me a lullaby!"

[SamaraDraven]

Huge_Beaver wrote...

I don't care about sense as long as i can kill Cullen, i'm happy

LOL! I'm okay with that. If Cullen were killable, everyone wins!

MisterJB wrote...

Personally, I wish Feinryel would become an antagonist. Just once, I'd like to see an option to trust a mage backfiring.

Well, I'd say trusting a mage and having it backfire happened plenty in DA2 but to have it mean something. To have it actually be a huge consequence would be amazing. That's the sort of thing I think is missing.

[The Elder King]

MisterJB wrote...

Personally, I wish Feinryel would become an antagonist. Just once, I'd like to see an option to trust a mage backfiring.

Why it should happen with one of the few mages NPC in DA2 that didn't turn in demons  or were evil?

[MisterJB]

hhh89 wrote...
Why it should happen with one of the few mages NPC in DA2 that didn't turn in demons  or were evil?

Because the very idea of sending someone so rare and powerful to Tevinter of all places seems to me an act of supreme carelessness.
Altough I wouldn't be oposed to it happening with someone else.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

She's an agent of the Divine with strong ties to Orlais. Sure some people are going to say "But she died in my playthrough of Dragon Age: Origins and I hate it when BioWare retcons stuff.", but I don't care. She's a rogue. Rogues in DA:O have the ability to feign death (that goes for Zevran, too). If the writers ever feel the need to even bother addressing this issue, I'll accept Feign Death as a perfectly reasonable handwave.

[frankf43]

hhh89 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Personally, I wish Feinryel would become an antagonist. Just once, I'd like to see an option to trust a mage backfiring.

Why it should happen with one of the few mages NPC in DA2 that didn't turn in demons  or were evil?

You do realise that in a lot of players games he ended up tranquil?

[SamaraDraven]

MisterJB wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
Why it should happen with one of the few mages NPC in DA2 that didn't turn in demons  or were evil?

Because the very idea of sending someone so rare and powerful to Tevinter of all places seems to me an act of supreme carelessness.
Altough I wouldn't be oposed to it happening with someone else.

Thus far, we only have Fenris' account of how things are in Tevinter but Danarius was evil as evil gets and Fenris' own sister sold him out for the mere promise of becoming a magister. And she remembered him! She doesn't have Fenris' reasons for making such a choice. Given this, I have to wonder if Fenris really wasn't overstating the matter when he said that mages had to either join the race to power or be subjugated as well as any slave. Would Feynriel really be able to find a decent tutor in such a place? Or would it be far more likely that he was enslaved until he learned to use his power in ways he initially abhorred to gain his freedom? And would he stop there or would his fear drive him further down a road of cruelty and evil, one who resents Hawke for letting him go because he feels he was abandoned to the wolves?

I could be wrong but Tevinter doesn't sound like a place that's above chewing up innocent little mages and spitting out monsters. Just my two cents.

[BigEvil]

It seems likely Leliana will appear. Flemeth is a given.

Other than that I just hope the cameos do make sense and are kept to a minimum. It's the Star Wars prequel syndrome, the more characters are connected to the same characters in the world the smaller the world seems.

[gangly369]

Flemeth, Leliana, Morrigan are a given considering how much they've already influenced the story. We know for a fact Cullen will be back (just not sure in what capacity) given that his VA is already in the studio. Sandal and Bodahn will also most likely return.

If there is anything concerning the Qunari, then Stenishok could possibly make an appearance. Anora and/or Alistair will probably be mentioned, if not appear in the actual game. I could see Loghain making a brief cameo appearance for those that spared him what with him being in Orlais and all. I'm also going to make a wild guess and say Varric will appear in some capacity, just due to his popularity. I could see him being worked in if the red lyrium/idol thingy pops up again and he's called in as an 'expert' on the matter.

Zevran and Merrill, despite how much I love them, probably won't make the cut. Same goes for Oghren. It seems I will never get to see the Broma Brothers in action again /sigh

[MisterJB]

SamaraDraven wrote...
Thus far, we only have Fenris' account of how things are in Tevinter but Danarius was evil as evil gets and Fenris' own sister sold him out for the mere promise of becoming a magister. And she remembered him! She doesn't have Fenris' reasons for making such a choice. Given this, I have to wonder if Fenris really wasn't overstating the matter when he said that mages had to either join the race to power or be subjugated as well as any slave. Would Feynriel really be able to find a decent tutor in such a place? Or would it be far more likely that he was enslaved until he learned to use his power in ways he initially abhorred to gain his freedom? And would he stop there or would his fear drive him further down a road of cruelty and evil, one who resents Hawke for letting him go because he feels he was abandoned to the wolves?

I could be wrong but Tevinter doesn't sound like a place that's above chewing up innocent little mages and spitting out monsters. Just my two cents.

That's more or less my point. We hear from Fenris, Lord Seeker Lambert as well as many codex entries that Tevinter is a place of corruption where any mages who wishes to be anyone must resort to blood magic to compete. Thus, I think it would make much sense for Feinrie to have been corrupted and be as selfish and power hungry as any other Magister in DAI.

[The Hierophant]

MisterJB wrote...

SamaraDraven wrote...
Thus far, we only have Fenris' account of how things are in Tevinter but Danarius was evil as evil gets and Fenris' own sister sold him out for the mere promise of becoming a magister. And she remembered him! She doesn't have Fenris' reasons for making such a choice. Given this, I have to wonder if Fenris really wasn't overstating the matter when he said that mages had to either join the race to power or be subjugated as well as any slave. Would Feynriel really be able to find a decent tutor in such a place? Or would it be far more likely that he was enslaved until he learned to use his power in ways he initially abhorred to gain his freedom? And would he stop there or would his fear drive him further down a road of cruelty and evil, one who resents Hawke for letting him go because he feels he was abandoned to the wolves?

I could be wrong but Tevinter doesn't sound like a place that's above chewing up innocent little mages and spitting out monsters. Just my two cents.

That's more or less my point. We hear from Fenris, Lord Seeker Lambert as well as many codex entries that Tevinter is a place of corruption where any mages who wishes to be anyone must resort to blood magic to compete. Thus, I think it would make much sense for Feinrie to have been corrupted and be as selfish and power hungry as any other Magister in DAI.

There's Feynriel's letter from Tevinter in which he said he understood the Templers of Kirkwall after all he witnessed there.